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Retired general says National Guard could help curb Chicago violence
Chicago Tribune ^ | 2/21/13 | Lolly Bowean

Posted on 02/22/2013 3:48:52 AM PST by Libloather

To reduce the homicides and shootings plaguing Chicago streets, elected officials should consider calling on the state and federal governments for help, even the National Guard if necessary, said a retired Army lieutenant general who spearheaded the military response after Hurricane Katrina.

"Just like we do with any disaster. When the tornado comes, or the floods come, the federal government comes in to help," Russel L. Honore said Thursday at a news conference in Chicago.

"Let's not let this be about pride. 'We are big ol' Chicago, we are too proud, we can handle this.' Maybe you can't handle it. If you need help, get the federal government here. But let's control the streets so children and elderly people can be in a safe community."

Honore, known for his no-nonsense leadership, was in Chicago as part of The HistoryMakers project to record and archive the stories of African-American military leaders. The nonprofit organization houses the largest collection of recorded histories of African-Americans.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: chicago; general; guard; violence
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To: Libloather

Now who’s stuck on stupid?


21 posted on 02/22/2013 5:45:09 AM PST by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: Libloather

This type of thinking is WAY to common among the cocktail party DC class generals.


22 posted on 02/22/2013 5:45:17 AM PST by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: Libloather

Just how would than be done politically correctly? Would the areas surrounding the ghettos be Occupied and stripped to redistribute their wealth to the ghettos?


23 posted on 02/22/2013 6:00:36 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: Libloather
And how long would National Guardsmen stay in the NG if they were assigned long-term duty patrolling the streets of Chicago, getting shot at, and getting put in jail if they dared to shoot back?

Adopt "Shall Issue" CCW, Stand-Your-Ground, and Castle Law,, and see what happens in Chicago.

Actually, if you really want Chicago cleaned up, eliminate welfare entirely, and give welfare recipients (and the thugs who mooch off them) a choice of "work or die".

24 posted on 02/22/2013 6:11:57 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: elcid1970

I don’t know why people don’t get that. It’s a whole different ball game.


25 posted on 02/22/2013 6:16:26 AM PST by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: Libloather

Rahm doesn’t want his gangland activities interrupted.


26 posted on 02/22/2013 6:18:47 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: PapaBear3625
give welfare recipients (and the thugs who mooch off them) a choice of "work or die".

Yeah, their first job could be rounding up illegal aliens.

Their second job would be assuming the jobs of those they rounded up.

27 posted on 02/22/2013 6:20:54 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: Libloather

Armchair swagger and bravado is not very helpful. I live in Chicago, have done so for 20 years.

It’s not just blacks. Hispanic gangs are every bit as much of the problem.

The root problem is family breakdown. Saturating the city with National Guardsmen is no solution.

The increase in crime and shootings is DIRECTLY related to changes in policing tactics, done to save money.

Rahm Dead Fish Emmanuel owns this mess fair and square. He and his sock puppet chief of police (a stupider man never was born) steadfastly refuse to change tactics and hire the policemen neeeded.

The gang problem requires gumshoe police work, not Rambo-types on every street corner.


28 posted on 02/22/2013 6:21:57 AM PST by Houghton M.
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To: Libloather

Wasn’t there a movie (sort of) about this kind of thing, called “The Siege”? That didn’t end well for the NG General, IIMN.


29 posted on 02/22/2013 6:31:41 AM PST by carriage_hill (AR-10s & AR-15s Are The 21st Century's Muskets. Free Men Need Not Ask Permission!)
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To: Houghton M.
Rahm Dead Fish Emmanuel owns this mess fair and square. He and his sock puppet chief of police (a stupider man never was born) steadfastly refuse to change tactics and hire the policemen neeeded.

Adding more police will be ineffective.

More police may catch more criminals, but then what do you do with them when the jails are full and the court calendars are clogged? You need a change of tactics wherein you focus on career criminals and ensure they are put away until they are old and gray. Then you take away the incentives of leading a criminal life.

30 posted on 02/22/2013 6:48:45 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Libloather

The people of Chicago don’t want to handle, or pay for, this problem. So, the solution is to bring in the National Guard and let the state or federal government pick up the tab. Figure out how much the National Guard would cost and take that much automatically out of the city budget. See if Chicago will go for that.


31 posted on 02/22/2013 6:49:33 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Libloather

SO, more people with guns is the answer?


32 posted on 02/22/2013 6:55:02 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: M Kehoe; All

“What about USC Title 10? Posse Comitatus?”

He is wanting to use National Guard troops. Unless placed on “federal” active duty, they stay Title 32 and are NOT subject to posse comitatus. So, this is a backdoor way of getting “semi-federal” military for long term use on American soil.

What is really gauling is how they take ARNG troops from one state and use them in another. I can halfway see them retaining Title 32 status when acting within the state where they, more or less, belong to the governor. However, when they leave their home state, how can they still be considered Title 32?

The Katrina mess opened this up. Most of Lousiana’s ARNG troops were in a title 10 status and over in Iraq when Katrina hit. So, other ARNG troops from other states were used. It really is pushing the envelope.

Because of the high tempo of operations during Iraq and Afghanistan, the differences between Regular Army and ARNG became blurred with ARNG units mobilized to Title 10 status so they could reinforce the Regular Army.


33 posted on 02/22/2013 7:06:47 AM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Libloather

This “general” is out of the Loop. As if Chicago’s police and commissars would “kill the golden goose”.


34 posted on 02/22/2013 7:26:27 AM PST by Chewbarkah
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To: Libloather

Sets a bad precedent; Nastional guard hunts street thugs this month, Tea Party Patriots next.


35 posted on 02/22/2013 7:48:07 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: PapaBear3625
You need a change of tactics wherein you focus on career criminals and ensure they are put away until they are old and gray. Then you take away the incentives of leading a criminal life.

They could keep them in those lovely FEMA camps, if they were not reserved for us.

36 posted on 02/22/2013 7:53:56 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Houghton M.
>>The root problem is family breakdown. Saturating the city with National Guardsmen is no solution.

It depends on the "Problem" you are trying to solve. Rahm has no desire to actually fix anything.

He only needs a crisis to take advantage of to gain more power and control over the rest of the public gullible enough to "do something"

his goal is to allow the predators to destroy the remaining culture so he can rebuild the new society based in his beliefs instead of the founding principals that have worked for over 200 years.

37 posted on 02/22/2013 8:15:35 AM PST by Only1choice____Freedom (As long as America's tolerence of failure is not overwhelmed by a desire to succeed, we will fail.)
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To: Libloather

I’d start with the Sheriff of Cook County deputizing a large number of “adult citizens of good character” by posse comitatus, to be armed neighborhood watches, under the supervision of a deputy Sheriff. Each of them would be issued an open carry handgun and bullets, and the deputy would carry a shotgun.

Outdoor gang activity would just stop. At first they would flee indoors, but inside they cannot very effectively do business or maintain control of an area. And with the cooperation of the Chicago PD, who could enter buildings to do their thing, the gangsters would have no choice but to flee their ‘hood.

Then use the Giuliani technique to clear neighborhoods of bad guyz one by one. Once cleared, it is a lot easier to keep them cleared.


38 posted on 02/22/2013 8:51:07 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: Libloather

So could drones. Obama’s not opposed to killing American citizens without due process, ya know.


39 posted on 02/22/2013 11:25:10 AM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: Libloather

Replace the Godfather with Rudy Guiliani and see what happens.


40 posted on 02/22/2013 12:25:19 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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