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I think the Gun Control Laws have been put in place and we don't know it.....

Posted on 02/17/2013 1:57:31 PM PST by kas7351

I went to a local gun show yesterday and was just amazed. To begin with the line was extremely long, everyone that I spoke to had the same thought on their mind and that was to spend money at the show....

What amazed me was the price of ammo, I had to pay twice as much for ammo this time then I did back in November. SO here is my thought to the title of this post.

We all have read about the billions of rounds of ammo that the gov't has been buying over the past months. What a better way to limit our ability (or control our guns) than to take away the ammo???? I think this is how they are tipping the scales to control us..... WITHOUT us realizing they are doing it....

I did get mad yesterday when I paid, I asked the clerk if they are paying more for the ammo then before. He smiled and smartly said oh yes sir we are! I have heard from dealers that the costs have gone up a cpl of percent but not 100%! Since the supply is down, the dealers are raping us.... Guess I can't complain too much as that is CAPITALISM at its best!


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KEYWORDS: ammunition; banglist; control; gun; guncontrol; secondamendment
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To: hope

Good luck finding reload equipment.


41 posted on 02/17/2013 4:46:31 PM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: kas7351

Always a possibility .... Reloading should be a skill set every gun owner should consider or have available in times like these.

I purchased ten 1000 count #200 large rifle primers today at a local gun show for 38$ per 1000.

Gang molds are available as well are jacketed bullets, 168gr HPBT is the fodder for my varmint, deer, target and personal defense long guns.

Powder is plentiful , as well is new and once fired brass for most calibers.

A simple rock chucker reloading kit is available with dies for less than 500$.

Roll yer own folks. Don’t wait.... Rainy day is almost upon us. Ammunition and spare parts for what you have is key.


42 posted on 02/17/2013 4:53:03 PM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: kas7351

there are states with price gouging laws on the books.

(primarily for natural disasters and fuel prices)

odd how those laws are not enforced in this instance.


43 posted on 02/17/2013 5:01:22 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

I live near a Wally World that has had 12 boxes of Remington 30.06 on the shelf for the last three weeks at $21.97 ea. Not one has sold in that period of time.


44 posted on 02/17/2013 5:04:15 PM PST by Renegade
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To: Renegade

We still have some .40 pistol, 22-250 and a few other odds and ends.


45 posted on 02/17/2013 5:05:55 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Chuckster

The word you’re looking for is “capitalism”.


46 posted on 02/17/2013 5:07:47 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: kas7351

“We all have read about the billions of rounds of ammo that the gov’t has been buying over the past months. What a better way to limit our ability (or control our guns) than to take away the ammo???? “

What a stupid way. It’s like solving obesity by buying up potato chips.

The ammo market was built on a supply a chain feeding sensible continuing demand rates. Suddenly everyone buys all they can, regardless of price, for months - of course the shelves empty out, no conspiracy needed.

Demand will recede and supply will grow, and market balance will be restored. And for all the ammo the government is buying, citizens are buying way more.


47 posted on 02/17/2013 5:09:42 PM PST by ctdonath2 (3% of the population perpetrates >50% of homicides...but gun control advocates blame metal boxes.)
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To: Squantos

Good advice. And there’s nothing like knowing you can make your own.


48 posted on 02/17/2013 5:10:41 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: hope

Reloading only works insofar as you can cut your brass costs by 80-90%. You still need new bullets, powder, and primers for every round - and still need replacement shells after a few uses each.


49 posted on 02/17/2013 5:12:36 PM PST by ctdonath2 (3% of the population perpetrates >50% of homicides...but gun control advocates blame metal boxes.)
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To: kas7351

The Nazi party filled the ranks of their brown shirts with prisoners, “butch” homosexuals and street scum. And they pretty well got what they paid for. Basically paid rioters to fight paid communist rioters and attack opposition political rallies. No secret that the police detested them.

Once institutionalized, however, they were just annoying and more a nuisance to the Nazi party than useful. So Hitler created the very elite SS, whose first mission was to round up and kill the brownshirt hierarchy, and put their rank and file back in prison.


50 posted on 02/17/2013 5:15:09 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: Squantos

I stopped by a local dealer who sells Dillon reloading equipment, he did a demo of the machine and I was truly amazed at how easy it looks to reload.

I am truly thinking of buying the machine and supplies, even if it costs me the same to reload as it does to buy new for a short period if time I will at least have more and more ammo so we can not worry about going to the range or action pistol shooting....


51 posted on 02/17/2013 5:18:44 PM PST by kas7351
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To: 3Fingas
WalMart is getting their normal allotment of ARs and ammo that they contracted for before the rush. They are selling it at their regular retail mark up. The manufacturers haven't raised their prices. The perfect storm of obama’s reelection plus the shootings has created a never before seen spike in demand and everyone but WalMart is letting the demand dictate the pricing. I have bought three ARs and much ammo from WalMart myself in the last month by waiting just as you described on my days off. The good news is that supply is beginning to catch up with demand on rifles which means that nearly everyone who thought it important to have a semi automatic has one (very good news). I believe ammo will soon follow suit.
52 posted on 02/17/2013 5:31:06 PM PST by Tail Gunner John
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To: hope
Maybe it’s time to invest in reload equipment.

2~3 months ago was time. That stuff is mostly sold out like the ammo now.

53 posted on 02/17/2013 5:34:23 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: kas7351

You can only have too much ammo if it cracks your slab, sinks your boat, or keeps your plane on the ground.


54 posted on 02/17/2013 5:40:35 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Tail Gunner John

Do you live near a big city? Where I am at, there is a very organized hording effort going on. The chances of getting an AR at Walmart is about the same as catching a glimpse of Aphrodite in the buff. If I were in the market for an AR, I would be truly be SOL. Thankfully, I am not. I know someone who just spent $2800 for a COLT SOCOM. I told him to wait because the AWB will not pass, but he was scared and wanted to get one while he could. To bad, he did not listen to me following the election.

I think you are right about the supply eventually catching up with demand. The ammo supply does seem to be increasing even if people still snatch it up as quickly as it comes in. All bets are off if ammo purchase restrictions are put in place. However, I don’t see that passing either.


55 posted on 02/17/2013 5:44:10 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: kas7351; Lurker

I have a 550B and you won’t regret the purchase.... dillon stands by its product and has great customer service.

Majority of my use of that setup is for pistol ammo. I do churn out .223 paper and steel fodder with it for 3 gun yet like a single stage press for my long range sod poodle and yote rifles.

Of late have also been using cast bullets in my old surplus em fields and Krags that are “paper patched” .... Soft lead cast bullet no Linotype etc , just soft pure lead from old scuba diving weight belts and wheel weights, scrap lead where I can find it. Works really well, simple to do and doesn’t lead up the lands and groves.

When I can take trash components and 100 year old rifles and hit coyotes at 800 plus its a fun day.

I did recut the chamber of my enfield to 7.62x54R with a table top conversion just using a finishing reamer and a inert round as my headspace gauge. If ya reload the conversion you have to set the barrel back a few thousandths or it will fireform the brass. If ya have a wall of the old Russian 1600 round tins you paid 130$ US for long ago then ignore the need to set back the barrel. Also recut the crown. I used a 230gr 45 auto round chucked into my drill press and used some clover valve grinding compound to clean up my old enfields crown. Worked perfect, take the time to true it all up and enjoy the old stuff.

http://jpfo.org/filegen-n-z/smle.htm

Picked up this conversion from Jim Hoffield that runs or did the ranger outreach center in New Mexico long ago. SF advisors were having a hard time getting .303 for the old and plentiful enfields for their local militias but the chi coms were flooding the battlefield with 7.62X54R ammo.... Few hand tools, dummy round as a go / no go gauge etc and a climber finishing reamer and you have reliable ammo and weapons. Give it a peek at the link.... You won’t be disappointed . Same cups pressures etc as the .303 pretty much, around 45000 etc ...

Don’t scrimp on dies, redding is my favorite, Sinclair and creedmore etc have lots of goodies but for one stop chopping go midway and Brownell’s .

Stay safe ! ?... sorry for the reloading rant !


56 posted on 02/17/2013 6:10:55 PM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: PreciousLiberty
Here's an image from Doug Ross Journal to go with the bumper sticker you saw:
57 posted on 02/17/2013 6:13:15 PM PST by CharlesMartelsGhost
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To: 3Fingas
The WalMart I went to has been getting 5-10 ARs a week. I just got religion on getting a semi auto after the election like most who were driving this frenzy. The prices at auction websites are coming back to reality. The Windham I paid $799 for can now be had for $1050 not the $1400 of 3 weeks ago. You might not be able to readily buy a colt or daniels but doublestar and bushmasters are for sale at buds for regular prices plus 30%. The only positive is that we as a society are better armed than we were only 3 months ago.
58 posted on 02/17/2013 6:14:32 PM PST by Tail Gunner John
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To: PreciousLiberty

Way to advertise to everyone you have highly desirable weapons in one’s home.


59 posted on 02/17/2013 6:19:21 PM PST by Hammerhead
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To: lacrew

Tons at Bass Pro Shop just two weeks ago...I’m sure it’s gone now.


60 posted on 02/17/2013 6:30:55 PM PST by hope (Whom the Son sets free is free indeed!)
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