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I think the Gun Control Laws have been put in place and we don't know it.....

Posted on 02/17/2013 1:57:31 PM PST by kas7351

I went to a local gun show yesterday and was just amazed. To begin with the line was extremely long, everyone that I spoke to had the same thought on their mind and that was to spend money at the show....

What amazed me was the price of ammo, I had to pay twice as much for ammo this time then I did back in November. SO here is my thought to the title of this post.

We all have read about the billions of rounds of ammo that the gov't has been buying over the past months. What a better way to limit our ability (or control our guns) than to take away the ammo???? I think this is how they are tipping the scales to control us..... WITHOUT us realizing they are doing it....

I did get mad yesterday when I paid, I asked the clerk if they are paying more for the ammo then before. He smiled and smartly said oh yes sir we are! I have heard from dealers that the costs have gone up a cpl of percent but not 100%! Since the supply is down, the dealers are raping us.... Guess I can't complain too much as that is CAPITALISM at its best!


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To: Squantos

I stopped by a local dealer who sells Dillon reloading equipment, he did a demo of the machine and I was truly amazed at how easy it looks to reload.

I am truly thinking of buying the machine and supplies, even if it costs me the same to reload as it does to buy new for a short period if time I will at least have more and more ammo so we can not worry about going to the range or action pistol shooting....


51 posted on 02/17/2013 5:18:44 PM PST by kas7351
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To: 3Fingas
WalMart is getting their normal allotment of ARs and ammo that they contracted for before the rush. They are selling it at their regular retail mark up. The manufacturers haven't raised their prices. The perfect storm of obama’s reelection plus the shootings has created a never before seen spike in demand and everyone but WalMart is letting the demand dictate the pricing. I have bought three ARs and much ammo from WalMart myself in the last month by waiting just as you described on my days off. The good news is that supply is beginning to catch up with demand on rifles which means that nearly everyone who thought it important to have a semi automatic has one (very good news). I believe ammo will soon follow suit.
52 posted on 02/17/2013 5:31:06 PM PST by Tail Gunner John
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To: hope
Maybe it’s time to invest in reload equipment.

2~3 months ago was time. That stuff is mostly sold out like the ammo now.

53 posted on 02/17/2013 5:34:23 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: kas7351

You can only have too much ammo if it cracks your slab, sinks your boat, or keeps your plane on the ground.


54 posted on 02/17/2013 5:40:35 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Tail Gunner John

Do you live near a big city? Where I am at, there is a very organized hording effort going on. The chances of getting an AR at Walmart is about the same as catching a glimpse of Aphrodite in the buff. If I were in the market for an AR, I would be truly be SOL. Thankfully, I am not. I know someone who just spent $2800 for a COLT SOCOM. I told him to wait because the AWB will not pass, but he was scared and wanted to get one while he could. To bad, he did not listen to me following the election.

I think you are right about the supply eventually catching up with demand. The ammo supply does seem to be increasing even if people still snatch it up as quickly as it comes in. All bets are off if ammo purchase restrictions are put in place. However, I don’t see that passing either.


55 posted on 02/17/2013 5:44:10 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: kas7351; Lurker

I have a 550B and you won’t regret the purchase.... dillon stands by its product and has great customer service.

Majority of my use of that setup is for pistol ammo. I do churn out .223 paper and steel fodder with it for 3 gun yet like a single stage press for my long range sod poodle and yote rifles.

Of late have also been using cast bullets in my old surplus em fields and Krags that are “paper patched” .... Soft lead cast bullet no Linotype etc , just soft pure lead from old scuba diving weight belts and wheel weights, scrap lead where I can find it. Works really well, simple to do and doesn’t lead up the lands and groves.

When I can take trash components and 100 year old rifles and hit coyotes at 800 plus its a fun day.

I did recut the chamber of my enfield to 7.62x54R with a table top conversion just using a finishing reamer and a inert round as my headspace gauge. If ya reload the conversion you have to set the barrel back a few thousandths or it will fireform the brass. If ya have a wall of the old Russian 1600 round tins you paid 130$ US for long ago then ignore the need to set back the barrel. Also recut the crown. I used a 230gr 45 auto round chucked into my drill press and used some clover valve grinding compound to clean up my old enfields crown. Worked perfect, take the time to true it all up and enjoy the old stuff.

http://jpfo.org/filegen-n-z/smle.htm

Picked up this conversion from Jim Hoffield that runs or did the ranger outreach center in New Mexico long ago. SF advisors were having a hard time getting .303 for the old and plentiful enfields for their local militias but the chi coms were flooding the battlefield with 7.62X54R ammo.... Few hand tools, dummy round as a go / no go gauge etc and a climber finishing reamer and you have reliable ammo and weapons. Give it a peek at the link.... You won’t be disappointed . Same cups pressures etc as the .303 pretty much, around 45000 etc ...

Don’t scrimp on dies, redding is my favorite, Sinclair and creedmore etc have lots of goodies but for one stop chopping go midway and Brownell’s .

Stay safe ! ?... sorry for the reloading rant !


56 posted on 02/17/2013 6:10:55 PM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: PreciousLiberty
Here's an image from Doug Ross Journal to go with the bumper sticker you saw:
57 posted on 02/17/2013 6:13:15 PM PST by CharlesMartelsGhost
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To: 3Fingas
The WalMart I went to has been getting 5-10 ARs a week. I just got religion on getting a semi auto after the election like most who were driving this frenzy. The prices at auction websites are coming back to reality. The Windham I paid $799 for can now be had for $1050 not the $1400 of 3 weeks ago. You might not be able to readily buy a colt or daniels but doublestar and bushmasters are for sale at buds for regular prices plus 30%. The only positive is that we as a society are better armed than we were only 3 months ago.
58 posted on 02/17/2013 6:14:32 PM PST by Tail Gunner John
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To: PreciousLiberty

Way to advertise to everyone you have highly desirable weapons in one’s home.


59 posted on 02/17/2013 6:19:21 PM PST by Hammerhead
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To: lacrew

Tons at Bass Pro Shop just two weeks ago...I’m sure it’s gone now.


60 posted on 02/17/2013 6:30:55 PM PST by hope (Whom the Son sets free is free indeed!)
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To: Hammerhead

“Way to advertise to everyone you have highly desirable weapons in one’s home.”

Even in the case of a bumper sticker, someone would have to go to some lengths to get the home address. Then, they have to have the “intestinal fortitude” to go inside knowing there are highly lethal items, and likely highly lethal people there.

Another very funny bumper sticker I’ve seen (in the Philippines of all places) was a “Baby On Board” yellow placard with the outline of an M-4 style AR below the text. That one was on quite a few vehicles. ;-)


61 posted on 02/17/2013 6:31:02 PM PST by PreciousLiberty
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To: Chuckster
Its called “Profiteering”

It's call the free market. The price is a signal, it signals the buyer to moderate their demand and it signals the manufacturers to expand their production. What usually happens is that the demand falls off and the production ramps up, so the price will fall, maybe even lower than the starting point. It happens with gasoline all the time. It all evens out. Of course, if there is a disrupting event...

62 posted on 02/17/2013 6:31:57 PM PST by Dan Cooper
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To: Chuckster
Its called “Profiteering”

It's call the free market. The price is a signal, it signals the buyer to moderate their demand and it signals the manufacturers to expand their production. What usually happens is that the demand falls off and the production ramps up, so the price will fall, maybe even lower than the starting point. It happens with gasoline all the time. It all evens out. Of course, if there is a disrupting event...

63 posted on 02/17/2013 6:32:09 PM PST by Dan Cooper
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To: CharlesMartelsGhost

Thanks for that graphic. That’s quite a collection!


64 posted on 02/17/2013 6:33:56 PM PST by PreciousLiberty
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To: gundog
"10K rounds is 50 200 round sessions. Sounds like a years supply to lots of folks."

While lots of folks aren't gunsmiths or into accuracy as much as they claim to be. Interesting.


65 posted on 02/17/2013 6:40:52 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: hope

Reloading supplies (primers, etc.) are pretty much cleaned out. IMO, it’ll be at least another nine months, before much in the way of supplies are seen in stock.


66 posted on 02/17/2013 6:47:10 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: PreciousLiberty
Here's another gun pic from the site. And if interested here's the ink to the site: http://directorblue.blogspot.com/
67 posted on 02/17/2013 6:51:08 PM PST by CharlesMartelsGhost
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To: PreciousLiberty
Here's another gun pic from the site. And if interested here's the link to the site: http://directorblue.blogspot.com/
68 posted on 02/17/2013 6:51:19 PM PST by CharlesMartelsGhost
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To: 3Fingas

Thank you for the honest assessment of the situation from your opportunity to listen. I’ll add to it.

Saw a link to an Ebay page a few weeks ago while running a search for AR bolt carrier groups out of curiosity. They were there—gobs of ‘em. Complete groups were going for about $500 dollars (”buy it now” prices). Didn’t check to see what the auctioned ones were going for (likely that much or higher).

So yes—scalpers. Hordes of ‘em. Wise folks will wait ‘till later and buy the stuff cheap.


69 posted on 02/17/2013 6:58:08 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: familyop

Saw it coming a year or so ago..


70 posted on 02/17/2013 7:52:34 PM PST by hope (Whom the Son sets free is free indeed!)
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To: familyop

I keep missing the e-mail alert from BCM saying their bolt carrier groups are available. By the time I get to the computer a couple of minutes later, they are sold out again.

Their bcgs are fetching around $500 on gunbroker right now.


71 posted on 02/17/2013 8:03:31 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Tail Gunner John; All

estimating VERY conservativly:

100,000,000 owners of civilian arms.

multiply by $1000 value.

The federal government does not have enough money.

100,000,000,000?

that is assuming only a 1000 value per person.

what if the actual number is higher in owners or value?

what if it is 1 billion in buyback?

whose pet project will be sacrificed to fund this stupidity?


72 posted on 02/17/2013 8:08:30 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Tail Gunner John; All

estimating VERY conservativly:

100,000,000 owners of civilian arms.

multiply by $1000 value.

The federal government does not have enough money.

100,000,000,000?

that is assuming only a 1000 value per person.

what if the actual number is higher in owners or value?

what if it is 1 billion in buyback?

whose pet project will be sacrificed to fund this stupidity?


73 posted on 02/17/2013 8:09:13 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Yeah; we settled on 2 calibers: .45 ACP & .308, plus 22lr for the varmints. If I ever burn through my stockpile, it’ll have been a hell of a skirmish. Hope I live through it.


74 posted on 02/17/2013 8:10:44 PM PST by pingman (Trust a lib? Surely you jest!)
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To: hope

Mine wife received her father’s reload equipment but we had a terrible wreck going through the Palisades on the way back from Idaho, it is all at the bottom of the lake now. Anyone who would like to recover it are welcome, just please return the AR.


75 posted on 02/17/2013 8:26:22 PM PST by WilliamRobert (God Bless Texas)
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To: thackney
"2~3 months ago was time"

Nope!

For anyone that didn't have their head up in their nether regions, 15-years ago was the time!

Unlimited supply....Unlimited commie threat...Rock-bottom prices...

Dang! This PDS (Persistent Gloating Syndrome) is a bitch to control...{:-)

76 posted on 02/17/2013 9:58:40 PM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: Chuckster

Its called “Profiteering”


Bull Sh!t. IF you want to purchase MY property you Will pay MY price.....kapish?


77 posted on 02/18/2013 2:14:29 AM PST by S.O.S121.500 ( Nothing so vexes me as a thief above ground...ENFORCE THE BILL OF RIGHTS.)
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To: hope

“Saw it coming a year or so ago..”

Wish I’d bought stock in S&W, Ruger, Remington, etc. back in 2008 when Duh Won was nominated — I’d be rich. Heck, S&W went up 7x in that time. Nuts.


78 posted on 02/18/2013 3:41:43 AM PST by Peet (TurboTax: "So simple even a Secretary of the Treasury can use it!")
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To: Squantos

No apologies necessary! Thanks for all that.


79 posted on 02/18/2013 4:12:53 AM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
Capitalism, I don’t think so. It’s more of an artificial influence because the ammo is not being used but is being stockpiled. I know of people burying pallet loads.

A depletion in the supply side is a depletion in the supply side....If the manufacturers were deliberately holding back, then your artificial influence argument makes sense, but it appears that Capitalism is indeed working. Sometimes it sucks but it is the preferred model.

80 posted on 02/18/2013 4:45:04 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: PreciousLiberty

I hear what your saying but I took all my gun related stuff off my truck, including my NRA sticker.


81 posted on 02/21/2013 5:06:42 PM PST by Hammerhead
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To: umgud

i so hope you’re right, that the public has stocked up on ammo!


82 posted on 02/23/2013 1:30:41 PM PST by village idiot
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To: Don Corleone

buying up all the ammo(by homeland security agency), would be a back door way to incapacitate gun owners. government pressure on the manufacturers, and harassment via the EPA,OSHA etc, could certainly curb supplies......and not a law had to be passed....


83 posted on 02/23/2013 1:37:30 PM PST by village idiot
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