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N. Dakota Senate snuffs natural gas flaring bill
Fuel Fix ^ | February 14, 2013 | Associated Press

Posted on 02/14/2013 8:39:06 AM PST by thackney

The North Dakota Senate snuffed out a measure Wednesday aimed at curbing the oil industry’s practice of wasting natural gas as an unwanted byproduct of oil production.

The bill, arguably the toughest to date against the oil industry in North Dakota, was defeated 34-13.

Sen. Tim Mathern’s measure would have cut an exemption commonly used by oil companies claiming an economic hardship of connecting a well to a natural gas pipeline. Oil companies in North Dakota can flare natural gas for a year without paying taxes or royalties on it. After that, companies can request an extension because of the difficulty of connecting the well to a natural gas pipeline. The exemption is nearly always granted by state regulators, who took no position on the legislation.

About one-third of North Dakota’s gas production has been burned off, or “flared,” since the oil boom began about five years ago. Less than 1 percent of natural gas is flared from oil fields nationwide, and less than 3 percent worldwide, according to the U.S. Energy Department’s Energy Information Administration.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: North Dakota
KEYWORDS: bakken; energy; naturalgas; oil
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1 posted on 02/14/2013 8:39:12 AM PST by thackney
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2 posted on 02/14/2013 8:44:32 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Now there’s a state that wants its people to be prosperous.


3 posted on 02/14/2013 9:09:22 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: thackney
Thackney,

You have noted the sour gases and the process to clean it is tough. Has anyone ever thought of a unit to do so that is small, for each well, that would fit in a tractor trailer that would be portable to each well?

As always, I look forward to your wisdom or alternatives to keep this fuel from being wasted...

4 posted on 02/14/2013 9:10:22 AM PST by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: taildragger
You have noted the sour gases and the process to clean it is tough. Has anyone ever thought of a unit to do so that is small, for each well

In my opinion, it is not tough but an expense. The problem with the small unit is each field is different and you are still producing products that have to go somewhere.

It is cheaper to bring the individual well gas production together into a common gas treat plant as is done all over the world.

The problem at the Bakken, the relative production of gas to oil is so low, it may be a near economic loss of the installation of piping and equipment to the volume of cheap gas produced. This would be even worse if you tried to make individual sized custom units to fit each well profile along with loosing the economy of scale for a large plant.

5 posted on 02/14/2013 9:17:46 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
Ok....

Small gas turbine or wankel generator units at each well head for the gas, produce wattage from the gas, then send it to the grid? Yes I know expensive again, but again I look forward to your reply.

6 posted on 02/14/2013 9:33:05 AM PST by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: thackney

Well, there’s hooking the outflow directly up to a Fuel Cell for electricity like the one sold by Fuelcell Energy, Inc.

They have a couple different types for cesspools and natural gas.

Might be worth looking at.


7 posted on 02/14/2013 9:46:03 AM PST by Freeport (The proper application of high explosives will remove all obstacles.)
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To: taildragger
Same problem, each well site is producing waste products from the gas clean up that still has to be dealt with. The gas turbine needs clean gas.

And the volume per well is still small, not cost effective for a generator set per well along with building out the power lines.

Building out the gas lines are small, low pressure lines in the gathering system, often made out of plastic. I suspect they are cheaper than the power line.

Keep in mind each well isn't going to produce a steady rate of gas over time. It is going to drop in this tight formation just like the oil does.

The generator would have to be sized for the peak, yet would quickly have to operate at a fraction of the flow. And it cost more than the basic gathering system to normal gas plant.

The problem remains, each individual well produces not enough gas for economics. Spending money on generators to produce not enough electricity to be economic doesn't improve the situation.

8 posted on 02/14/2013 9:51:40 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Freeport

Same problem described in #8.

The gas still has to be cleaned up before the fuel cell. And low pressure plastic pipe is way cheaper than a Fuel cell and miles distribution lines carrying very, very little electrical power.

If these wells were producing a significant gas supply, they would already be piped up.


9 posted on 02/14/2013 9:54:18 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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10 posted on 02/14/2013 10:13:02 AM PST by Rebelbase ( .223, .224, whatever it takes....)
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11 posted on 02/14/2013 10:17:40 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
I get the impression that the 'anti-flaring' people are being a bit disingenuous. That is, the fraction of Bakken gas being flared is high, but that the total quantity of gas being flared is not.

Am I off-base here?

12 posted on 02/14/2013 10:34:49 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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That is my understand as well.

North Dakota’s total gas production is about 1/2 of 1% of the US production.

U.S. Natural Gas Marketed Production
http://www.eia.gov/dnav/ng/hist/n9050us2m.htm

North Dakota Natural Gas Marketed Production
http://www.eia.gov/dnav/ng/hist/n9050nd2m.htm


13 posted on 02/14/2013 10:43:39 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: ArrogantBustard

To be fair, let me give another perspective.

While they only produce 1/2 of 1% of all the US Gas, they vent & flare nearly a third of the total vent and flared gas in the US.

North Dakota Natural Gas Vented and Flared
http://www.eia.gov/dnav/ng/hist/n9040nd2m.htm

U.S. Natural Gas Vented and Flared
http://www.eia.gov/dnav/ng/hist/n9040us2m.htm


14 posted on 02/14/2013 10:46:44 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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Thackney, my only disagreement is Turbines will burn anything, even low BTU gas from a Garbage Dump, they are the ultimate Omnivorous Engine...
15 posted on 02/14/2013 10:59:35 AM PST by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: thackney
One can really see the growth of Bakken and Eagle Ford in these two pictures.

Off shore looks similar to Yr. 2000.

16 posted on 02/14/2013 11:00:07 AM PST by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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Oh, and they fail to detect the “horror” of all flared gas in the Wolfbone Play in the Permian Basin of West Texas.


17 posted on 02/14/2013 11:05:55 AM PST by crusty old prospector
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To: thackney

Also, quite a few flares in San Juan Basin around Farmington and in Uintah Basin due east of Provo, Utah.


18 posted on 02/14/2013 11:22:50 AM PST by crusty old prospector
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Also, quite a few flares in San Juan Basin around Farmington and in Uintah Basin due east of Provo, Utah.


19 posted on 02/14/2013 11:23:04 AM PST by crusty old prospector
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To: taildragger

How well do they burn nitrogen and water? Natural Gas straight from the well head has both.

How well do the compression blades hold up with CO and H2S? Both also common in some fields.


20 posted on 02/14/2013 11:38:36 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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Wow, thanks, H20 would have to be slung out via centrifugal force or some other means, CO would go along for the ride with the N, the H2S, ouch that is nasty, you got me on that one...


21 posted on 02/14/2013 1:07:26 PM PST by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: taildragger

They are not all that bad, but I see the biggest problem is the fast falling flow rate. You have to size for the max and still run at the bottom.

And the volume for these just isn’t worth it economically. They are not gas wells, they are oil wells with a little bit of gas. But to shut in the gas, you shut in the oil.

Trust me, if it was economic to hook up, it would already be done. Don’t forget even a little generator hooked up for permanent installation will have to meet all the EPA emission requirements. A nitrogen rich fuel is going to have even more problems than normal keeping the NOX level low.


22 posted on 02/14/2013 1:12:30 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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