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To: Mr Rogers

I’m not asking any if’s. And I’m not reading anything that doesn’t specifically address what I said. RIGHT NOW, who would have the legal authority to order my nephews in the USMC to board a plane to Iran for combat operations there?

Give me the name of a specific person or body who could give that order at this very moment, and the legal document that gives them the authority to do it.


177 posted on 02/15/2013 8:03:34 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion
Butter, you are utterly confused. Combat operations WERE authorized for Afghanistan. They are not authorized for Iran. You are mixing 2 completely different things.

If you make it comparable, and ask who could send your nephews to Afghanistan right now, then again - darn near anyone in their chain of command.

For an OPLAN, the document is a TPFDD: Time-Phased Force Deployment Data. It may have a different name under contingency planning, and I don't know which is being used for Afghanistan right now. But the principle remains: the document creates slots, like job openings, if you will. And anyone with the qualifications can be plugged into one of those slots. The document is created under the SecDef's authority, IIRC. That honestly isn't something I had to deal with.

Once created, a commander can put one of their people into it, or is tasked to commit so many people to go. In some cases, and entire squadron would be committed. I had limited experience with TPFDDs, other than in some static forms.

Lots of people could sign the orders - pretty much any commander in the chain. Since Congress funds it, it is authorized by Congress via the military. But no, the President of the USA doesn't sign the orders.

And as long as Obama is accepted by the government as President, he could sign the orders if he wished. The legality of the orders would remain, because he signs them as President, not as an individual. Just as Obamacare would remain a law if Obama was found to be Kenyan-born, so would any military orders he signed (if he could be found to sign them). It is the office that has the authority, not the individual.

In this case:


178 posted on 02/15/2013 8:45:40 PM PST by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
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