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Corn shortage idles 20 ethanol plants nationwide
Fuel Fix ^ | Associated Press

Posted on 02/11/2013 10:18:20 AM PST by thackney

The persistent drought is taking a toll on producers of ethanol, with corn becoming so scarce that nearly two dozen ethanol plants have been forced to halt production.

The Renewable Fuels Association, an ethanol industry trade group, provided data to The Associated Press showing that 20 of the nation’s 211 ethanol plants have ceased production over the past year, including five in January. Most remain open, with workers spending time performing maintenance-type tasks. But ethanol production won’t likely resume until after 2013 corn is harvested in late August or September.

Industry experts don’t expect a shortage — millions of barrels are stockpiled and the remaining 191 plants are still producing. Still, there is growing concern about what happens if the drought lingers through another corn-growing season.

“There’s a lot of anxiety in the industry right now about the drought and a lot of folks watching the weather and hoping and praying this drought is going to break,” said Geoff Cooper, vice president for research and analysis for the Renewable Fuels Association.

(Excerpt) Read more at fuelfix.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: agriculture; corn; energy; epaoutofcontrol; ethanol; ethanolfacts; ethanolshortage; gasprices; greenscam; renewableenergy

1 posted on 02/11/2013 10:18:29 AM PST by thackney
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Renewable Energy Production and Consumption by Source
http://www.eia.gov/totalenergy/data/monthly/pdf/sec10_3.pdf


2 posted on 02/11/2013 10:19:37 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

ethanol is and was and always will be a stupid idea


3 posted on 02/11/2013 10:20:10 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: thackney

And corn fed beef is out of the question...


4 posted on 02/11/2013 10:21:33 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: GeronL
Some ethanols are worthwhile...


5 posted on 02/11/2013 10:23:16 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: GeronL

Not if you drink it!....................


6 posted on 02/11/2013 10:24:16 AM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Red Badger

Algore wept.


7 posted on 02/11/2013 10:25:14 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: thackney
Corn shortage idles 20 ethanol plants nationwide

Nuts, we need to quit selling so much corn to Latin nations, they're all overweight anyway.

8 posted on 02/11/2013 10:28:10 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: thackney

9 posted on 02/11/2013 10:29:33 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: thackney

The entire concept of burning food for fuel is wrong.

In all the Pro ethanol states, the ones that grow corn, you can buy straight gasoline for your lawn equipment.

Not in good ole Texas. I guess they figure everyone needs a new weed eater every two years.


10 posted on 02/11/2013 10:33:04 AM PST by hadaclueonce (you are paying 12% more for fuel because of Ethanol. Smile big Corn Lobby,)
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To: thackney

Obviously, King Barrack will have to make it rain. No doubt he’ll announce that tomorrow night in the SOTUA.


11 posted on 02/11/2013 10:36:01 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: GeronL
"ethanol is and was and always will be a stupid idea"

If Iowa didn't have that stupid early Presidential caucus we wouldnt have to put up with this #$%&*!! For all his other shortcomings, at least McCain didn't kiss up to the corn farmers

12 posted on 02/11/2013 10:38:57 AM PST by Reo (the 4th Estate is a 5th Column)
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To: thackney
"Corn shortage idles 20 ethanol plants nationwide...

... Which by the same token actually caused the corn shortage which is idling those same 20 ethanol plants. It's called an unintended consequence, a vicious cycle created by radical environmentalists.

13 posted on 02/11/2013 10:39:57 AM PST by R_Kangel ( "A Nation of Sheep ..... Will Beget ..... a Nation Ruled by Wolves.")
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To: thackney

Obama: the American Idle president.


14 posted on 02/11/2013 10:43:16 AM PST by Chad N. Freud (FR is the modern equivalent of the Committees of Correspondence. Let other analogies arise.)
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To: hadaclueonce

You can get it in Texas, just not in the counties the EPA has banned it in (i.e., the cities and anywhere near a city).


15 posted on 02/11/2013 10:46:40 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: hadaclueonce

U.S. Gasoline Requirements
http://www.exxon.com/USA-English/GFM/Files/US_Gasoline_Map.pdf


16 posted on 02/11/2013 10:50:10 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Idle them permanently. Corn is food, not fuel.


17 posted on 02/11/2013 11:02:08 AM PST by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: thackney

Turning food into costly and destructive ‘energy’ - perhaps best dubbed “THE SCAM WHAT AM”.


18 posted on 02/11/2013 11:07:27 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."..)
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To: thackney

Would ethanol production be economically viable with out direct federal government involvement, i.e., forcing it upon consumers at bayonet point?


19 posted on 02/11/2013 11:08:51 AM PST by Count of Monte Fisto
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To: thackney

It’s all them damn deer hunters in Texas’s fault, I go through about 4,000 lbs a month.


20 posted on 02/11/2013 11:18:08 AM PST by Dusty Road
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To: GeronL
ethanol is and was and always will be a stupid idea

It depends on what your goal is. If your goal is energy independence it is a stupid idea since it consumes more fossil fuel energy in manufacturing it than it yields, HOWEVER; if your goal is to reward big campaign contributors and buy votes in corn producing states with an ongoing flow of taxpayer dollars then it's a resounding success.

21 posted on 02/11/2013 11:21:19 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: thackney

Why is corn used over sugar... or anything else for that matter. Is there something that makes corn based ethanol superior or cheaper


22 posted on 02/11/2013 11:26:00 AM PST by drunknsage
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To: drunknsage
or cheaper

The same reason corn syrup is used in processed food.

23 posted on 02/11/2013 11:28:06 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: from occupied ga
Kind of like recycling, only you go straight from a usable product to garbage.

Then you have a green politician.

24 posted on 02/11/2013 11:34:35 AM PST by justrepublican (Screaming like a "Vexatious requester" at a Wellstone memorial...........)
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To: from occupied ga

Here’s an idea to save some taxpayer dollars and reduce the national debt.

NO ETHANOL SUBSIDY......

Of course we need some other ideas to find billions more to save like......

SHUT DOWN THE EPA, SHUT DOWN OSHA, SHUT DOWN THE ENERGY DEPARTMENT, THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION.......


25 posted on 02/11/2013 11:37:28 AM PST by Nextrush (PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN IS MY DREAM)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

The only viable ethanol is from Brazil, where the use beets and sugar cane to make ethanol. Our corn farmer corporations like Archer Daniels Midland got something like a 40% tariff added to Brazilian ethanol to make it more expensive delivered to the US. They can grow things faster and cheaper in Brazil than we can here. That is why E85 cars are big sellers down there.

Ethel is not a bad fuel. Many cars ran on it originally. Formula 1 race cars burn ethanol. The problem with it is that it dissolves rubber fuel lines and it does not store as long as gasoline. It also tends to have water condensaton problems in colder temperatures below 40F. These are the worst in carburated engines. Water condenses in the bowl of the carburator and then will not run. Lastly, ethanol tends to gel over time, especially with temperature changes. When it gels it plugs up the jets in the carburator. All these things have been a boom to fuel stabilizer sales. Fuel stabilizer does extend the life of the fuel but now I drain and run dry all my carburated small engines if they are going to sit for more than a few weeks.


26 posted on 02/11/2013 11:44:28 AM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: Nextrush
NO ETHANOL SUBSIDY......

That ended more than a year ago. The mandate to use ethanol in fuel still remains but taxpayers no longer extra to put it in fuel.

Congress Ends Era Of Ethanol Subsidies
http://www.npr.org/2012/01/03/144605485/congress-ends-era-of-ethanol-subsidies

After Three Decades, Tax Credit for Ethanol Expires
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/02/business/energy-environment/after-three-decades-federal-tax-credit-for-ethanol-expires.html?_r=0

Two Cheers for Ethanol Subsidies Expiring—but Costly Mandate Remains
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2012/01/ethanol-subsidies-expiring-but-the-costly-mandate-remains

27 posted on 02/11/2013 11:47:13 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Nextrush
NO ETHANOL SUBSIDY......

WHAT??? You can't buy votes that way. And you can't bestow largesse on Archer Daniels Midlands executives and major stockholders with big gobs of the taxpayers' hard earned dollars

28 posted on 02/11/2013 11:47:40 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: woodbutcher1963

Like the US, Brazil mandates that ethanol is part of the gasoline fuel market.

Industry sources reported that Brazil’s federal government has decided to raise the minimum blending obligation for anhydrous fuel ethanol and gasoline to 25% vol. from 20% vol. from June 1, 2013.
http://ethanolbiofuels.agra-net.com/?p=568


29 posted on 02/11/2013 11:50:03 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: woodbutcher1963
Our corn farmer corporations like Archer Daniels Midland got something like a 40% tariff added to Brazilian ethanol to make it more expensive delivered to the US.

The tariff was 54¢. It ended last year along with the ethanol subsidy for blenders. The two together nearly offset each other anyways.

US Ethanol Tariffs, Subsidies End; Brazil Likely to Continue Ethanol Imports
http://ictsd.org/i/news/bridgesweekly/123028/

30 posted on 02/11/2013 11:56:40 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: GeronL
ethanol is and was and always will be a stupid idea

For so many reasons. You don't eat your feedstock.

31 posted on 02/11/2013 11:58:46 AM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: thackney

Subsidies to burn food was a fool’s errand to start with.


32 posted on 02/11/2013 12:00:18 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: thackney

10% ethanol causes problems with small gas engines. Here in the Northeast we a little wind and snow this past weekend. The snow thrower I have stalled at least 6 times while trying to clear the driveway. If 15% ethanol was used the motor would have stopped.

Now What happens to a Boater navigating at Sea and runs into some choppy weather. Ethanol stalls the motor while under way there will be fatal consequences.

Stop burning food it is not meant to be used for fuel.


33 posted on 02/11/2013 12:00:18 PM PST by Colonial35
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To: FatherofFive

Corn starch is your feedstock? Seriously?


34 posted on 02/11/2013 12:02:44 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: thackney; Nextrush

A “mandate” is just a subsidy by a different name.


35 posted on 02/11/2013 12:10:02 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster
A “mandate” is just a subsidy by a different name.

While equally wrong, I see it as significantly different as only the users of the fuel are now forced to pay for it.

With the Tax Credit subsidy, you could drive a diesel truck and still be paying for ethanol via taxes.

36 posted on 02/11/2013 12:19:23 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: GeronL

No, ethanol is the least stupid option to fulfill a stupid mandate.

The stupid mandate is for an oxygenate in gasoline. Oxygenates make a difference in the CO emissions of only older gas engines with carbs and no feedback loop of O2 sensors in the exhaust system and a air mass sensor in the air intake.

The fuel system I’ve described above has been in most every car since 1986, as I recall, and in fuel injected, closed-loop systems, oxygenates (whether we’re talking about MTBE or ethanol) make no sense.

Still, the EPA persists in mandating them.

The smarter thing would be to remove the oxygenate mandate. Of the two more common oxygenates (MTBE and ethanol), I’ll take ethanol and keep our groundwaters uncontaminated.


37 posted on 02/11/2013 1:23:01 PM PST by NVDave
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To: thackney

Ethanol plants shut down. This is good news. Maybe we can find a way to keep them shut down.


38 posted on 02/11/2013 2:19:48 PM PST by lurk
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To: thackney

as the energy report you gave us the link for demonstrates

the drought is NOT entirely to blame

production for biofuels has been exceeding comsumption (in the annual totals) since then end of 2007, and even in 2010, 2011 and 2012 only a few months demonstrate production levels lower than consumptions levels

time to end all ethanol subsidies of any kind and let it stand or fall on the sheer, and unpolitcized, economics of the marketplace


39 posted on 02/11/2013 3:42:04 PM PST by Wuli
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To: thackney

“The Renewable Fuels Association, an ethanol industry trade group, provided data to The Associated Press showing that 20 of the nation’s 211 ethanol plants have ceased production over the past year”

“20 of .... 211”, which is slightly less than 10% of the ethanol plants,

but guess what, production for 2012 while slightly less than for 2011, it was only 2.5% lower than 2011, not 10% lower, and it was still 2.5% higher than was consumption in 2012

there is neither a shortage of Ethanol or a shortage of Ethanol producers, drought or no drought

see the link below offered in an earlier post in this thread:

http://www.eia.gov/totalenergy/data/monthly/pdf/sec10_3.pdf

It’s Federal budget time and the ethanol-corn lobby has hired their friends in journalism to help make scapegoats of things like the drought for the industry shakeout they are going through - the poor dears.


40 posted on 02/11/2013 3:57:59 PM PST by Wuli
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To: Colonial35

“Now What happens to a Boater navigating at Sea and runs into some choppy weather.”

no body in the hood has a boat.

Obammy wants everyone to live in a hood. Ride a public bus driving a union bus.

The Chicago way.


41 posted on 02/11/2013 4:26:10 PM PST by hadaclueonce (you are paying 12% more for fuel because of Ethanol. Smile big Corn Lobby,)
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To: Wuli

production for biofuels has been exceeding comsumption (in the annual totals) since then end of 2007, and even in 2010, 2011 and 2012 only a few months demonstrate production levels lower than consumptions levels

- - - - -

Yep, we were a net exporter of ethanol for a few years until lately.

U.S. Net Imports of Fuel Ethanol
http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MFENT_NUS-Z00_2&f=M


42 posted on 02/11/2013 4:39:22 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Wuli

see the link below offered in an earlier post in this thread:

- - - - - - -

Yeah, I noticed that link when I posted it earlier.

;-)

Cheers


43 posted on 02/11/2013 4:42:55 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

“see the link below offered in an earlier post in this thread:”

See! English teachers and the Directors of the Obvious have to keep a life.

They cannot help it.


44 posted on 02/11/2013 6:35:51 PM PST by hadaclueonce (you are paying 12% more for fuel because of Ethanol. Smile big Corn Lobby,)
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To: thackney

Needless to say, we need to stop turning food into fuel and help lower the food costs that rise at a 15 percent annual rate.

NO MANDATE....


45 posted on 02/11/2013 7:19:30 PM PST by Nextrush (PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN IS MY DREAM)
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To: thackney

“Yep, we were a net exporter of ethanol for a few years until lately.”

You mean we weren’t the only nation with corrupt and politicized science and business interests willing to take advantage of the political corruption of science, becuase putting it to use is profitable, especially of the politicians will subsidize it???


46 posted on 02/11/2013 7:19:59 PM PST by Wuli
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Wow, no corn is being harvested in the US right now, and the *price of it is high*?!? Amazing. And the ethanol for the off-season was produced when the corn was in plenty? It’s almost as if this is an example of planning ahead or something.


47 posted on 02/12/2013 7:55:27 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("Could it be I carried this thing too far?" -- Bugs Bunny)
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To: thackney

Why can’t the mandate be killed?


48 posted on 02/13/2013 3:08:23 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

http://www.politico.com/2012-election/map/

http://www.politico.com/2012-election/map/#/Senate/2012/


49 posted on 02/13/2013 4:02:49 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Ah, your sophisticated answer, simplified. ;-]


50 posted on 02/13/2013 6:34:01 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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