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WHY DO THEY NEED SO MANY BULLETS?
boblonsberry.com ^ | 02/11/13 | Bob Lonsberry

Posted on 02/11/2013 5:50:34 AM PST by shortstop

Why is the government disarming us at the same time it is arming itself?

Not wanting to sound paranoid, or like a conspiracy theorist, I think it is nonetheless fair to ask: What foe is the federal government arming itself against?

And should the American people be concerned about a federal government that takes away their guns while simultaneously stockpiling hundreds of millions of rounds of ammunition for its own domestic security use?

As the president and Democratic politicians do their best to geld the Second Amendment, which was intended to protect the people against government oppression, the government they lead is building an arsenal of domestic arms that rivals both Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union.

Since last spring, the Department of Homeland Security has contracted to buy more than 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition. That’s enough bullets to shoot everyone in the United States five times.

A nation with a Defense Department as large as ours needs ammunition, clearly, but these 1.6 billion rounds weren’t bought by the military. Very little of it is in calibers that the military uses, and almost all of it is of a type banned for military use by the Geneva Conventions.

These bullets aren’t for foreign battlefields, they are for domestic control.

Here are some of the recent purchases: 450 million rounds of .40 caliber jacketed hollow point – enough to shoot every man, woman and child in the United States, Canada and Mexico – another 200 million rounds of .40 caliber jacketed hollow point; and just last week, a request for bids to purchase 10 million rounds of .40 caliber jacketed hollow point, 10 million rounds of 9mm jacketed hollow point and, finally, 1.9 million rounds of 9mm full metal jacket ammunition.

Of those 671.9 million bullets, only 1.9 million – under international treaty – could be used by our military against a foreign enemy.

That leaves 670 million for us.

And one might justifiably ask what purpose the federal government has in mind for all that ammunition.

Enough ammunition – if you extrapolated from the worst month of the combined Iraq and Afghanistan wars – to sustain the daily heated combat of a raging war for some 25 years.

No government has ever so extensively armed itself against its citizens.

Which, from the perspective of history, should be alarming. No culture or nation, in any continent or time, has long been free of government tyranny. Sometimes it has been tribal warlords, or feudal princes, or chancellors and kings. But it has always been somebody. Even today, it is clear that large portions of the global population live under tyranny.

To presume that an oppressive or tyrannical regime could not rise in the United States is to deny human nature and history. It is ironic that liberals who mock the belief in American exceptionalism steadfastly claim that a totalitarian or dictatorial lust could never grip the heart of an American leader -- even though such evil runs like a river through the whole of human history.

The founding fathers and leaders of both parties through the 1980s warned of an over-powerful government and of the possibility of tyranny. History and heritage teach us that government can become a cancer, and that Hitlers and Stalins and Castros and Maos can spring up at any time among any people.

So why not us?

Why do we automatically presume our government and its operators are benign, and those who warn of oppression are insane?

Yes, we have rule of law. Or at least we have in the past. And, yes, rule of law is designed to restrain the tyrant. The checks and balances of our Constitution, and the liberties of the Bill of Rights, were all intended to keep governments and megalomaniacs on a very short leash.

But rule of law is ignored, rights are restricted, the balances of power within the federal government and between the state and federal governments are all ignored and perverted. The mechanisms of restraint have been stripped from our government.

And now they are buying bullets.

Incomprehensible quantities of bullets.

Bullets that cannot be fired at our enemies. Bullets that can only be fired at us.

And at the same time they are buying these bullets, they are taking away ours. Legislation is afoot to strip some types of rifles from private ownership, and to outlaw the magazines which make modern firearms effective. In the Democrat states, ammunition sales are registered and recorded, gun ownership is harassed and confiscation is discussed.

Even the massive government purchases, by hogging resources and production capacity, serve to disarm citizens, by making civilian ammunition scarce and expensive.

The Second Amendment was put in the Constitution to make sure the people could replace by violent means, if necessary, an oppressive government. It includes and affords many other privileges as well, from hunting to national defense, but it is fundamentally about self-defense – about the ability to fight to protect yourself, your family, your home, your faith and your freedom.

Against all comers, including the government.

And just as it expands in an unprecedented fashion its domestic offensive capability, the government is seeking to strip us of our already-limited defensive capability.

And that makes you wonder why.

Wondering such things doesn’t make you a kook, or an extremist, or some other vilification so quick to fall from Democrat lips.

It makes you a concerned American.

Who grows all the more concerned by the fact our questions go unanswered, and our rights go unprotected.


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1 posted on 02/11/2013 5:50:38 AM PST by shortstop
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To: shortstop
That’s enough bullets to shoot everyone in the United States five times.

It's a good thing they won't need a high capacity magazine for that.

2 posted on 02/11/2013 5:52:57 AM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: shortstop

‘cause there are so many of US!!!!


3 posted on 02/11/2013 5:53:53 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: shortstop

We are told it is for “practice” purposes.


4 posted on 02/11/2013 5:55:19 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: shortstop
WHY DO THEY NEED SO MANY BULLETS?

The better to kill you with, my dear.

5 posted on 02/11/2013 5:57:05 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: shortstop

They don’t but Obama’s allies overseas are happy to get them.


6 posted on 02/11/2013 5:58:24 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: shortstop

All Dictators and Tyrants Want Their Own Police Force

- Roman Emporers had their Praetorian Guard.
- Hitler had the Waffen-SS.
- Stalin had the KGB
- Saddam Hussein had the Republican Guard.
- Iran has the Revolutionary Guard.
- Obama wants his “Civilian National Security Force”

In 2006 Obama made the following speech:

“We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”

So Obama is now building his “Civilian National Security Force” under the cover of Homeland Security at the same time he is turning the real military into another wealth redistribution mechanism for freaks, minorities and the unemployable.

Soon he won’t have to worry if the real military will remain loyal to the constitution or will fire on civilians, shoot their own mothers and fathers, lock up their own grandparents.

His well armed, well funded “Civilian National Security Force” will hold their allegiance to him and his loyal assistants like Janet Napolitano.


7 posted on 02/11/2013 6:01:10 AM PST by Iron Munro (I miss America, don't you?)
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To: shortstop

All Dictators and Tyrants Want Their Own Police Force

- Roman Emporers had their Praetorian Guard.
- Hitler had the Waffen-SS.
- Stalin had the KGB
- Saddam Hussein had the Republican Guard.
- Iran has the Revolutionary Guard.
- Obama wants his “Civilian National Security Force”

In 2006 Obama made the following speech:

“We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”

So Obama is now building his “Civilian National Security Force” under the cover of Homeland Security at the same time he is turning the real military into another wealth redistribution mechanism for freaks, minorities and the unemployable.

Soon he won’t have to worry if the real military will remain loyal to the constitution or will fire on civilians, shoot their own mothers and fathers, lock up their own grandparents.

His well armed, well funded “Civilian National Security Force” will hold their allegiance to him and his loyal assistants like Janet Napolitano. and won’t hesitate to carry out his orders.


8 posted on 02/11/2013 6:01:57 AM PST by Iron Munro (I miss America, don't you?)
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To: shortstop

“Bullets”? Is fedgov now into reloading?


9 posted on 02/11/2013 6:02:27 AM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

The average citizen would use his hollow points sparingly, as far as practice goes.

And since average citizens are paying for this, so should the government.

If they are telling the truth about these being for practice, they are still being very wasteful.


10 posted on 02/11/2013 6:03:19 AM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: shortstop
[...]liberals who mock the belief in American exceptionalism steadfastly claim that a totalitarian or dictatorial lust could never [happen here]

Once again Lonsberry is brilliant in his analysis but missed a tiny point right here, or at least didnt carry it far enough...

At the same time they are telling us we have no reason to mistrust the government, and that it would never grow to tyrannical sizes, they are growing the government to tyrannical sizes.

NO ONE in the government has credibly explained why they need this much ammunition, and yet they are stockpiling it. The deception is obvious. "Trust the government" they say- while the government is arming against us, and lying about it.

Liberalism is a mental desease. While I believe that many of them are truly evil and this is an actual plan, there are many more that are good-hearted and naive (the kind of trust in evil that always gets millions killed)

11 posted on 02/11/2013 6:04:53 AM PST by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: shortstop

They must know.............

“This isn’t a society stocking up on certain guns because they fear they may be banned. This is a society preparing for war”. (David R. Ray, GySgt. USMC Ret)


12 posted on 02/11/2013 6:05:04 AM PST by umgud
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To: lacrew
450 million rounds of .40 caliber jacketed hollow point

You make a great point. You don't buy jacketed hollow point for practice. They are costly. You practice with wad-cutters or something cheap.

13 posted on 02/11/2013 6:10:57 AM PST by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: shortstop

There are many similar threads and it has been posted that the quantity is for pre-buying 5 year supplies. They are probably going to put the makers out of business and later have china supply their ammo.

Also, i was just reading about our Medal of Honor nominee Romesha’s battle.

“...Larson alone went through approximately 1,200 rounds in 10 minutes.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2987299/posts


14 posted on 02/11/2013 6:17:36 AM PST by huldah1776
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To: shortstop
If guns are bad, why does the feral government have so many?

It's time for the feral governments love affair with guns to end.

15 posted on 02/11/2013 6:21:24 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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To: Iron Munro

For “the greater good” moving towards “President for life”?? Could it be there are elements in government and his supporters that actually want his “serving” additional terms? ‘fraid so!


16 posted on 02/11/2013 6:22:55 AM PST by RAY (God Bless the USA!)
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To: shortstop

The people have very few representatives anymore. One would think one of those useless goobers might make an issue of this. But, maybe not, I doubt many of them pay any attention to what is going on, To them, it is all party politics and they miss about everything.


17 posted on 02/11/2013 6:28:27 AM PST by dforest (I have now entered the Twilight Zone.)
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To: Mr. K
or at least didn't carry it far enough...

And another similar tangent is in order...

If Liberals say we are NOT exceptional, in the same breath as saying tyranny can never happen here, then why not? Only if we *were* exceptional, that is if we DID reach a utopia, would they be able to argue that we had finally reached a point where all men were angels.

18 posted on 02/11/2013 6:34:23 AM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: shortstop

Nothing to see here,move on.


19 posted on 02/11/2013 6:42:44 AM PST by Big Red Badger
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To: shortstop

I have been thinking about this for a while, and I think I know how to orchestrate a peaceful preemptive strike. We don’t need a list of the ammo being bought with our own money. WE NEED A LIST OF THE TRIGGER PULLERS. Perhaps a group such as Anonymous can help, or an insider can help, but some how we need a list of every DHS employee with the addresses of their homes, as well as their relatives homes and we need it posted on multiple servers with their GPS coordinates and interactive maps with precise driving directions to their homes. Get it up on multiple sites all at once so it will be archived on as many servers as possible. Once this information is made known, their loyalties will be tested. In this way, we can manage a PEACEFUL RESOLUTION BEFORE THE SHTF. I think it would be the single most effective deterrent to protect our freedom. All of need to get the word out, through formal requests, through insider whistle blowers to hackers or what have you. We need to execute quickly to nip this thing in the bud.


20 posted on 02/11/2013 6:44:57 AM PST by RavenLooneyToon (Tail gunner Joe was right.)
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To: shortstop

While it seems like a lot, let’s do some math.

There are about 200,000 DHS employees. Using the same ratio of 70/30 as the military (nonshooters to shooters)that means we probably have 60,000 people who need to practice with firearms.

Lets presume range time of 2 hours a week, and an ammo expenditure of 150 rounds per hour. 2 hours is probably high, but stay with me on this.

So, 60,000x2hoursx52weeksx150rounds gives us a total annual ammo burn of about 936 million rounds. My numbers are probably a bit high, but it makes the 1.5 billion rounds look a bit more reasonable.


21 posted on 02/11/2013 6:45:33 AM PST by VonKrieger
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To: shortstop

“To presume that an oppressive or tyrannical regime could not rise in the United States is to deny human nature and history.”
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To claim that such a regime HAS NOT ALREADY risen in the United States is to ignore reality as obvious as the risen sun...and I was saying the same thing decades ago. By the definition familiar to those who wrote our constitution tyranny was here when I was a fair haired lad and I am soon to see my 69th birthday. Anyone who doubts it need only look up the case of Stanley Yankus for one, there are plenty of others. The constitution has been under attack as long as it has existed.

You may say that to call what we had here fifty years ago tyranny is a great exaggeration, that is a matter of opinion. On the other hand, to speak of tyranny as something that MAY happen at some time in the future is absurd, anyone who does not believe we have tyranny NOW in this USA simply does not believe there exists such a thing as tyranny. You might as well sit under the shade of an elephant while denying that elephants exist.


22 posted on 02/11/2013 6:49:23 AM PST by RipSawyer (I was born on Earth, what planet is this?)
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To: raybbr

For Iraq & Afghanistan, the US fired an estimated 250,000 for every insurgent killed. These are trained military.

Based on that if DHS were the trained equivalent with 670M rounds they’d be able to take out 2680 people.

Remember there’s 300M plus guns in America owned by approx 88M people. If just 2% get pissed, that’s 1.76M armed people with 3.4 guns each.


23 posted on 02/11/2013 6:50:36 AM PST by maddog55 (America Rising.... Civil War II)
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To: shortstop

You know why Shortstop. Each one has one of our names printed on it!! By the way, my favorite is Ernie Banks. Good glove,... great stick!


24 posted on 02/11/2013 6:52:53 AM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Ping!


25 posted on 02/11/2013 7:04:12 AM PST by basil (basil)
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To: shortstop

Because one shot, one kill does not work well for them. 40 shots at these two innocent women and one hit.

I guess they need a few billion more bullets.

26 posted on 02/11/2013 7:26:15 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Mr. K

We practice with cheap ammo, the government can afford the good stuff.


27 posted on 02/11/2013 7:27:04 AM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: shortstop
WHY DO THEY NEED SO MANY BULLETS?

50+ rounds, no fatalities.

Just sayin'...

28 posted on 02/11/2013 7:35:57 AM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: IbJensen

And they’re crummy shots.

Either that or they know that TEOTWAWKI is coming and there won’t be any more ammo or brass manufactured, so they need to get it while the getting is good. If they start ordering propellent, loose bullets, primers, and reloading stations and dies, you know it is about to hit the fan!


29 posted on 02/11/2013 7:40:38 AM PST by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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To: Iron Munro
- Obama wants his “Civilian National Security Force”

Their official name is the NATional Civilian Community Corps, The NATCCC (or the NATCs)...

30 posted on 02/11/2013 7:42:43 AM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: null and void

And from the multiple rounds that hit trees and nearby residences (one man awoke to find five bulletholes in his entryway) a large volume of fire missed the truck entirely.

Makes one recall the Empire State building shooting where they shot the suspect nine times and in the process wounded nine bystanders. They’re damn lucky this happened 5AM when few people were up and about.


31 posted on 02/11/2013 7:55:53 AM PST by fattigermaster (When tigers hunt, the jackals profit...when tigers sleep, the jackals rule.)
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To: shortstop

Oh, they’re just doing a little hoarding... Well, what else on earth could it possibly be??? (/sourchasm)


32 posted on 02/11/2013 8:17:00 AM PST by SierraWasp (Mark Twain said: "It's easier to fool someone than to convince them they've been fooled!!!)
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To: VonKrieger
While it seems like a lot, let’s do some math.

Your estimate of armed federal agents in civilian agencies is somewhat low.

The Government released their last offical estimate of armed agent numbers in 2008. It was higher than you expected. An unoffical estimate for 2012 gives 200,000-220,000 armed agents in over 30 different civilian agencies.

The ratio of authorized shooters in the FBI and Secret Service runs from 30% to 45% of the staff. Other departments have generally lower percentages of shooters.

Shooters do not get 2 hours per week of range time in most departments. That is a problem. Only a fraction of shooters maintain current qualification. The ones who do maintain proficiency use up about 250 rounds per quarter in practice sessions.

33 posted on 02/11/2013 8:56:30 AM PST by flamberge (What next?)
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To: VonKrieger

These kinds of rounds are not for practice. They are +p critical defense frangibles. They are for the express purpose of killing people.

Personally I hope they are practicing with them because in the event of conflict they will have developed such a flinch that everytime the dimwits fire off a round their eyes will close. Suits me.


34 posted on 02/11/2013 9:10:44 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: shortstop

***WHY DO THEY NEED SO MANY BULLETS?***

Because in the hands of a CITIZEN a semi-auto AR-15 are designed to kill as many people as possible in a short time! So they have to be banned!

In the hands of the GOVERNMENT, an full auto M-16 is designed to expend 250,000 rounds for each kill.

Sarc/off (for those who don’t see the sarcasm in this post)


35 posted on 02/11/2013 9:16:10 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: maddog55

Durn it! Beat me to it! And I’ve been saving this info for just the right time, and you beat me to it!


36 posted on 02/11/2013 9:18:48 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: null and void

Why are none of those ‘officers’ in jail, waiting for trial on charges of assault with a deadly weapon?


37 posted on 02/11/2013 9:25:16 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: VonKrieger

That still doesn’t explain the need for more expensive hollow point for practice when FMJ would suffice.


38 posted on 02/11/2013 9:29:25 AM PST by Bob
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To: shortstop
Simple - The government is buying up the ammo with our tax money and printed money to keep ammo out of the hands of civilians. Currently buying ammo is difficult to impossible because the stores are OUT-OF-STOCK.

Good Hunting... from Varmint Al

39 posted on 02/11/2013 9:35:04 AM PST by Varmint Al
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To: ArrogantBustard

Some animals...


40 posted on 02/11/2013 10:01:13 AM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: shortstop

So, from what companies are they purchasing the weapons to fire these bullets?


41 posted on 02/11/2013 10:10:54 AM PST by Terry Mross (How long before America is no more?)
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To: shortstop

Someday soon, I’m hoping to see one hell of a surplus sale.


42 posted on 02/11/2013 10:20:00 AM PST by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: VonKrieger
So, 60,000x2hoursx52weeksx150rounds gives us a total annual ammo burn of about 936 million rounds.

Not to worry, for when the GW crowd finds out how much carbon this will spew into the atmosphere...

44 posted on 02/11/2013 11:27:23 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: RavenLooneyToon

Following DHS employees home would be easy for a nutcase like Dornan.


45 posted on 02/11/2013 11:30:51 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Of the government, by the government, and for the government.)
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To: shortstop

Why s mnay?

They’re lousy shots.


46 posted on 02/11/2013 12:54:00 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Iron Munro

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/021213-644201-dhs-buys-7000-semiautomatic-assault-weapons.htm


47 posted on 02/13/2013 12:56:28 PM PST by cyn (Benghazi...the travesty continues.)
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To: shortstop

I think it’s called “cornering the market.”


48 posted on 02/13/2013 1:11:11 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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