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California Gives Up On Math: State will no longer require eighth-graders to take algebra
http://gopthedailydose.com ^ | february 8, 2013 | robby soave

Posted on 02/08/2013 9:08:51 AM PST by lowbridge

California will no longer require eighth-graders to take algebra —a move that is line with the Common Core standards being adopted by most states, but that may leave students unprepared for college.

Last month, California formally shifted to the Common Core mathematics standards, which recommend that students delay taking algebra if they aren’t ready for it. Previously, algebra class was a requirement for all eighth-graders in the state.

The Common Core State Standards Initiative, which is sponsored by the National Governor’s Association, is an effort to unify diverse state education curricula. Forty-five other states and the District of Columbia have signed on so far.

But some education experts worry that the change will further damage struggling students’ college chances, since early proficiency in Algebra I is an excellent predictor of college graduation, according to the Mercury News.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: agenda21; algebra; california; commoncore
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1 posted on 02/08/2013 9:08:58 AM PST by lowbridge
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To: lowbridge
They have admitted that education is not the purpose of the "public education" system.

Can we get rid of it now?

2 posted on 02/08/2013 9:10:43 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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To: lowbridge

It’s likely due to the students being unable to read the story problems (shakes head).


3 posted on 02/08/2013 9:12:55 AM PST by shove_it (Long ago Huxley, Orwell and Rand warned us about 0banana's USA.)
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To: lowbridge

A public school education is child abuse IMHO.


4 posted on 02/08/2013 9:13:10 AM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: lowbridge

They don’t need no algeeebra....Those peoples at Walmart, H&R Block and all the other tax places will figure their ‘returns’ for them.....get that RAL (refund anticipation loan on EITC) check NOW! Don’ need to wait on no stinkeeng gubment check!


5 posted on 02/08/2013 9:13:27 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: lowbridge

I bet everyone gets an ‘A’ in Activism though...


6 posted on 02/08/2013 9:13:53 AM PST by chrisser (Senseless legislation does nothing to solve senseless violence.)
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To: lowbridge

This is clearly cultural insensitivity towards Arabs.


7 posted on 02/08/2013 9:14:37 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: lowbridge

Less people know the difference of two thirds or three quarters and how to solve equations, the easier for the State to steal from them ........


8 posted on 02/08/2013 9:15:37 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: chrisser

Yep, they’re definitely socialist indoctrination centers to the max. They’ll learn all about the joys of communism and homosexuality, and “social justice”,

but no reedin’, ritin’, or ‘rithmutic.


9 posted on 02/08/2013 9:16:56 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: lowbridge

To be honest, I didn’t take algebra until freshman year in HS. But I completed calculus in my senior year, so I could test out in college.

That said, the 800 lb elephant in the room is race. Until education once again becomes a priority in the black and brown communities (at the family level), nothing will fix these problems.


10 posted on 02/08/2013 9:17:12 AM PST by Clock King
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To: lowbridge

When I was going to school in the 60s, only the brighter students were given algebra in the 8th grade. Everyone else got it in the 9th.


11 posted on 02/08/2013 9:17:40 AM PST by proxy_user
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To: Sir Napsalot

There was an article last week about lefties (”hipsters”) choosing to homeschool.

Perhaps they’re getting tired of having their own kids dumbed down with everyone else.

Their kids are supposed to be trained to be the “master” class, not the “slave” class.


12 posted on 02/08/2013 9:19:03 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Clock King

i had lots of math in my high school. i still many times do long division and multiplication on paper to keep my brain active.

guess there isn’t a word for algebra in ebonics.


13 posted on 02/08/2013 9:19:45 AM PST by bravo whiskey (“People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.”)
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To: lowbridge

(rolling eyes)


14 posted on 02/08/2013 9:20:29 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: Clock King

“That said, the 800 lb elephant in the room is race”

Wasn’t Algebra the name of Stymies horse? Just askin.


15 posted on 02/08/2013 9:21:29 AM PST by duckman (I'm part of the group pulling the wagon!)
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To: gorush

It’s OK. Students can take out massive tax-payer backed loans to learn Algebra in college........maybe all kids should just go straight to college from middle school in order to get on the debt machine sooner.


16 posted on 02/08/2013 9:22:25 AM PST by yadent
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To: lowbridge

Dey don’t need know no rithmatic. Dey jes keep swiping dey EBT card until it don work no mo. Den dey go to de welfare office and get mo owebama stash added to it.


17 posted on 02/08/2013 9:23:22 AM PST by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: Sir Napsalot
>>> .... the difference of two thirds or three quarters .... <<<

Let me rephrase that.

Less people know they get less if offered three quarters of 52 than two thirds of 60, (they would think they get to keep more for three quarters) ......

18 posted on 02/08/2013 9:23:34 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: lowbridge

All reasonable and valid criticisms of public education aside, and there are many, not every eighth grader is ready for algebra. Some percentage of children may never master algebra. Not everyone should go to college. Not every child can be above average.


19 posted on 02/08/2013 9:23:51 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: lowbridge

It’s all part of comprehensive voter training.

If the Klu Klux Klan were to conceive a plan to keep minorities poor and ignorant, they couldn’t have come up with anything nearly as diabolical and effective as the current public school system.


20 posted on 02/08/2013 9:24:33 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (What word begins with "O" and ends in economic collapse?)
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To: Sir Napsalot

“Less people know the difference of two thirds or three quarters and how to solve equations, the easier for the State to steal from them ........”

Methinks you’ve hit the nail on the head.


21 posted on 02/08/2013 9:24:55 AM PST by MichaelCorleone (A return to Jesus and prayer in the schools is the only way.)
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To: shove_it

so is it because the students are too stupid from having not been taught in the earlier grades or can’t they find enough teachers who can teach it?

i still remember my abstract algebra teacher in 11th grade. he would sit with us after class to help. i got a B and was damn proud of it. failed the first 3 semesters of plane geometry and algebra in 9th grade even with the helop of teachers and my dad. one day it clicked. aced 4th semester, aced the final, never got anything less than a B in all future math courses. trig was a snap and i still use it.


22 posted on 02/08/2013 9:25:09 AM PST by bravo whiskey (“People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.”)
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To: lowbridge
If you listen to any interviews after a college football game, you instantly know that colleges no longer have any sort of criteria for entrance. The football programs (and most definitely the basketball programs) have "tutors" who sit beside the athletes and do on-line homework. You and I both know the tutor is doing the work because once you hear a few words out of the mouths of these young men you are positive they are not able to comprehend college level ANYTHING. I have no doubt that many of them don't read at an 8th grade level, if at all.

And colleges now offer remedial classes for writing and math before the college level courses. In other words they are doing the job of the free public high schools.

23 posted on 02/08/2013 9:25:11 AM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (In my world, Daddys don't leave after 4 or 8 years and a new one get picked by half the country)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Quarters?

f’ that, man... gimme dollars!


24 posted on 02/08/2013 9:25:30 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: proxy_user

Same with me in the early 70s. You had to qualify to take 8th grade algebra with grades and an exam.


25 posted on 02/08/2013 9:26:29 AM PST by wrcase
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To: proxy_user

We got it in the 7th.............


26 posted on 02/08/2013 9:26:45 AM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: proxy_user

Same with me in the early 70s. You had to qualify to take 8th grade algebra with grades and an exam.


27 posted on 02/08/2013 9:27:08 AM PST by wrcase
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To: Paladin2

“This is clearly cultural insensitivity towards Arabs.”

Actually, no, it doesn’t affect them.

Their parents, like most immigrant parents, FULLY UNDERSTAND that their kids will not learn squat if left to the public schools, so they take their education into their own hands, which is why they outrun whites.

It’s only American parents who actually still believe that kids can be educated by public schools. Even Hispanic parents know better, although many of them don’t have the background or resources to help their kids.


28 posted on 02/08/2013 9:28:44 AM PST by BobL
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To: proxy_user
Depended entirely on where you lived. We had it available in 7th grade ~ with most taking it in 8th grade ~ and laggards getting tagged with it in 9-12 until they could graduate.

(BTW, moved from Indiana to Virginia in the 1970s)

Southern school systems like those in Virginia think chilluns are entirely too immature to handle algebra until 9th grade. On the other hand they require county, state and us history ~ and for kids in Northern Virginia that's the same course taken three times ~ makes for some really great docents and tourguides in the DC area BTW.

Fortunately they've given up on handwriting and moved boldly into computer keyboards.

29 posted on 02/08/2013 9:29:16 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: lowbridge

Such “standards” do not allow childern to learn at a pace that is suited to their mental abilities. My daughter is graduating HS taking Algebra II. There was no way that she would have been ready for Algebra in the 8th grade. This is due to her being diagnosed with Ausbergers AND a every poor math system being taught in elementary called “Everyday Math”.


30 posted on 02/08/2013 9:30:13 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: bravo whiskey

White and Asian people math (pronounced maff)


31 posted on 02/08/2013 9:32:03 AM PST by EEGator
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To: BobL

BTW, Arabs are white people.


32 posted on 02/08/2013 9:34:14 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: sitetest

So true! I taught algebra, and LOVED every minute of it! I had some 8th graders in algebra, and they were the motivated kids. The ones in pre-algebra were either unmotivated, not quite as mature as others :), or ones who struggled with math. It was a joy to see my pre-al kids do well the following year in algebra when they were convinced they would never learn it!

Oh yes, my algebra teacher in 8th grade wrote me off as stupid. My 9th grade algebra teacher MADE ALL THE DIFFERENCE!!!


33 posted on 02/08/2013 9:34:24 AM PST by karatemom
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To: BobL

“This is clearly cultural insensitivity towards Arabs.”

Well Algebra is an arabic derived word...


34 posted on 02/08/2013 9:34:42 AM PST by GraceG
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To: lowbridge
California will no longer require eighth-graders to take algebra —a move that is line with the Common Core standards being adopted by most states, but that may leave students unprepared for college.

So--just extrapolating a bit here--if a student takes algebra in HS, then they're officially doomed in college? Is this coming from the same people who say your three-year old must be reading Melville or he'll NEVER amount to anything?

35 posted on 02/08/2013 9:34:42 AM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

many of the folks who turn out to be football players are simply not terribly verbal ~ which may or may not be significant. depends on the kid.


36 posted on 02/08/2013 9:35:57 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: wrcase

My son took algebra in the eighth grade, but couldn’t pass the 9th grade algebra exam, so he took it again.

He’ll take it again in college, only to find out in life he won’t need it all that much unless he becomes an engineer.

I don’t think this is all that big if a deal. Not everyone is suited for college anyway.


37 posted on 02/08/2013 9:36:47 AM PST by Francis McClobber
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To: BobL
I think you missed the point. "The word algebra comes from the Arabic language (الجبر al-jabr "restoration")
38 posted on 02/08/2013 9:37:40 AM PST by EEGator
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To: karatemom

I took algebra in high school and my first go around in college and hated every minute of it.

When I went for my second degree ( engineering related) I had to take it again in order to prepare for calculus. I LOVED it. My professor stated I wasn’t crappy in math, I just had crappy teachers.

My sin us a seventh grade math teacher and he loves it as well. Hats off to you,


39 posted on 02/08/2013 9:42:00 AM PST by Francis McClobber
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To: lowbridge

Outcome based education is a live and well in Kalifornia.


40 posted on 02/08/2013 9:42:51 AM PST by Rappini (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: lowbridge

Another elephant in the room is that California passed a law requiring that homosexual history be taught. So, we are dropping a useful subject such as algebra, but requiring useless teaching to honor Harvey Milk and others for their alleged contributions to our civilization. Go figure.


41 posted on 02/08/2013 9:44:28 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: muawiyah

My Brother in Law was the Defensive Captain on the U Mass Landrey team has an MS in Bio Chemistry.


42 posted on 02/08/2013 9:48:39 AM PST by Little Bill (A)
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To: bravo whiskey

...even with the helop of teachers and my dad.

I’m glad you overcame math, how were you in spelling?


43 posted on 02/08/2013 9:53:56 AM PST by stars & stripes forever ((Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!))
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To: sitetest

Why are you trying to make points with facts and reason? Don’t you know we’re just supposed to make fun of brown people?


44 posted on 02/08/2013 9:54:53 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: lowbridge

Even California students need basic math.

“If you have 3 tacos, 1 stolen handgun with 2 magazines and 5 crack rocks how many things do you have?”


45 posted on 02/08/2013 9:55:12 AM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America, don't you?)
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To: Francis McClobber

The world needs ditch-diggers, too.


46 posted on 02/08/2013 9:55:55 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: sitetest

Just because some kids cannot do algebra doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be offered to kids who can.

One big problem with American education after about eighth grade is this “one size fits all” mentality, agreed. If we were to sort kids by ability around eighth grade like most countries do, the racial disparities in the results would be politically unpalatable. So we put black and Hispanic kids into classes they cannot handle, and all this accomplishes is that they successfully disrupt the education of the kids who can learn. Everyone loses, no one wins.

Nice.


47 posted on 02/08/2013 9:58:26 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (What word begins with "O" and ends in economic collapse?)
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To: sitetest; Jim Robinson
I absolutely agree with you.

No one with lower abilities should be forced to sit through algebra.

When I was a kid we had choices in math.

The college bound had one of several levels of algebra.

The trades had business maths

and there was a general math for laborers which was a review of the previous nine years of math.

The racism of the thread is snarky.

There are a lot of contributing factors to blacks doing poorly in math.

none that we are going to fix here.

I have four black children. Three of them have done very well, two with calculus, one was considering physics but hit her wall there, as often GIRLS do.

The third will probably get through 1&2 and trig, but has no interest in going further.

The fourth is a computer, until algebra. Too abstract for those abilities.

So what?

Not everyone is a rocket scientist.

Not everyone is an abstract thinker.

One of the real downfalls of leftists is that they think that every one is like them.

What has been refreshing about conservatives has been their clearheadedness about these issues.

People are different. We don't have to insult them.

48 posted on 02/08/2013 9:58:47 AM PST by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: lowbridge

I don’t see the big deal about this. I was always good in math, but didn’t take algebra until the 9th grade. My high school math education (in the 70’s):

9th grade: algebra I
10th grade: geometry
11th grade: algebra II
12th grade: trigonometry (purely as an elective, no math required after successfully completing the preceding three years)

I made straight A’s in all math classes, and they were labeled as “enriched” classes - we didn’t have AP classes back then that would count towards college credit — we had to take tests instead. I took the test and placed out of both semesters of college algebra, went straight to calculus and made A’s as well.

As long as algebra is still available for those that want to take it in the 8th grade, this is much ado about nothing. I will say that my 8th grade math class was a waste of time, and I should have skipped it and started in on algebra I instead.


49 posted on 02/08/2013 10:04:29 AM PST by RedWhiteBlue (Mama tried)
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To: BobL
“This is clearly cultural insensitivity towards Arabs.”

Actually, no, it doesn’t affect them.

Paladin2 was being facetious; Arabs are often credited with developing algebra. That having been said, you make some good observations. I'm happy to be able to put my child in a private (and Christian) school.

50 posted on 02/08/2013 10:05:49 AM PST by MissNomer
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