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various and youtube ^ | February 8, 2013 | knarf, various youtube

Posted on 02/08/2013 8:28:52 AM PST by knarf

I looked and saw no crazy threads disbelieving Sandyhook


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To: Tijeras_Slim

Aargh!!

I actually believe this outbreak of credulity is a symptom of impending cultural collapse. As people lose faith and trust in traditional institutions (which have been attacked continuously for decades) they first start to believe in nothing and then they will believe in anything.

Our piss poor educational system which teaches what to think instead of how to think doesn’t help the situation either.


101 posted on 02/08/2013 11:09:51 AM PST by Valpal1
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To: RummyChick
You claim that she doesn’t make it to the school until after Lanza shoots Soto’s kids.

Hey rum drinker, I got news for you:

She saw Soto's kids running down the road to the firehouse before she got to the school. And those kids said that they ran after Soto was shot.

Put the bottle down -- you are only digging yourself in deeper.

102 posted on 02/08/2013 11:11:49 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: knarf

No, nutcases of all stripe are welcome here.


103 posted on 02/08/2013 11:13:32 AM PST by GSWarrior (To activate this tagline contact the Admin Moderator.)
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To: RummyChick
I'm not a cop (as if that matters), but I'm not worried using my car as cover unless someone is shooting at me.
104 posted on 02/08/2013 11:13:40 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Valpal1
As people lose faith and trust in traditional institutions (which have been attacked continuously for decades) they first start to believe in nothing and then they will believe in anything.

Good point, but also given current state of society and the economy many may find conspiracy theories and the idea of having "special inside knowledge" as empowering. A belief system that can be affirmed by referencing back upon itself.

105 posted on 02/08/2013 11:14:10 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: bgill

One person manning a phone is not a busy fire station.


106 posted on 02/08/2013 11:17:39 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: RummyChick
And common sense dictates - you have an active shooter on the scene killing lots of people - you want some kind of cover.

And here again you display your complete ignorance on current events and their effect on LEO training and tactics.

Columbine changed this "common" sense. First responders to active shooters are not taught to take cover but to go in rapidly to reduce the death toll of students. Taking cover = useless.

107 posted on 02/08/2013 11:18:30 AM PST by Valpal1
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To: mnehring

So they neatly park their car in the parking lot by other cars somewhere but no one knows where.

So Uncle Chip claims:

They have to run ALL THE WAY TO LANZA’S CAR worried about being shot up, throughly search the car and the trunk throwing evidence out on the pavement, get back into the building as Lanza shoots himself ,before his witness calmly drives up , sees Sotos kids after the teach has been shot , parks, goes and talks to another Mom, and hears shots and runs to a firetruck she didn’t see before hand.

You can believe that story.

I don’t.


108 posted on 02/08/2013 11:18:43 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick
And common sense dictates - you have an active shooter on the scene killing lots of people - you want some kind of cover.

And here again you display your complete ignorance on current events and their effect on LEO training and tactics.

Columbine changed this "common" sense. First responders to active shooters are not taught to take cover but to go in rapidly to reduce the death toll of students.

Taking cover = useless.

109 posted on 02/08/2013 11:19:08 AM PST by Valpal1
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To: Valpal1

I SAID USING COVER as you make your way into the building.

Why would they do as you claim.

Uncle Chip says they went to Lanza’s car and searched the car and trunk throwing evidence out onto the pavement before they went in.

Doesn’t gel with your version of what they would do


110 posted on 02/08/2013 11:21:59 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick
And common sense dictates - you have an active shooter on the scene killing lots of people - you want some kind of cover.

Aren't you the same one who just claimed that they should have jumped out of their cruisers and run into the school guns blaring???

And now you are claiming that they should have parked their cars and taken cover behind them.

So then which is it??? Make up your mind.

111 posted on 02/08/2013 11:23:11 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

“She saw Soto’s kids running down the road to the firehouse before she got to the school. And those kids said that they ran after Soto was shot. “

you don’t know what kids she saw or from what classroom.

The story couldn’t have happened the way you make it out.

But go on pretending that the cops searched Lanza’s car before they went in throwing evidence out on to the pavement.


112 posted on 02/08/2013 11:24:27 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: knarf
1. The Government lies about everything. EVERYTHING.

“The CIA owns everyone of any significance in the major media.”
– William Colby, former CIA director

“We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.”
– William Casey, CIA Director (from first staff meeting, 1981)

“Deception is a state of mind and the mind of the State.”
– James Angleton, head of CIA counter intelligence from 1954-1974

2. The question isn't DID the Obama Regime stage the shooting of school kids to overturn the 2nd Amendment but WOULD and COULD the Obama Regime stage the shooting of school kids to overturn the 2 Amendment. If you answer no then I have a bridge to sell you.

113 posted on 02/08/2013 11:27:40 AM PST by Count of Monte Fisto
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To: RummyChick
I SAID USING COVER as you make your way into the building.

Okay, I'll play your silly game as you change your statements.

The car is useless as cover in this situation. Parking it neatly and rapidly so as to be out of the way for the 2nd and 3rd responders and ambulances that are on the way (and as training dictates) is the COMMON sense you're looking for.

114 posted on 02/08/2013 11:29:37 AM PST by Valpal1
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To: RummyChick
So they neatly park their car in the parking lot by other cars somewhere but no one knows where.So Uncle Chip claims:

So the videos -- all the videos -- even the early ones. And everyone can see for themselves.

The police cruisers are the metallic grey ones in the parking lot.

When are you ever going to learn --

115 posted on 02/08/2013 11:30:18 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: RummyChick
you don’t know what kids she saw or from what classroom.

Are you brain dead???

The only kids missing from the school were from Soto's classroom -- 10 of them -- 5 found at the fire house and 5 at the police station.

You posted the article.

Do you even read what you post????

116 posted on 02/08/2013 11:39:20 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

Funny that, the folks you disparage by offering to “sell them a bridge” are the same folks who would expect you to show that you hold clear title to it.


117 posted on 02/08/2013 11:56:35 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Valpal1
Be sober, be vigilant, for your adversary, the devil stalketh about as a lion seeking whomever he may devour.

God pleads with us to use our brains and recognize we HAVE an enemy and that enemy is wandering around looking for ANYone to eat.

IF we maintain the belief that America has her roots in Christian thought process, and we can see our nation being eaten up, we're supposed to see that it is Satanic.

"The children" hjave been used since the 70's (as I remember ... I could be wrong on the date) because we love our kids and put our women on pedestals.

zero promised to change the way America DOES things

You change the DO by changeing the way you THINK.

Christians are nuts to see Satan and patriots are nuts to see enemies.

The fact is ... we're at war, and Washington is only the tool and vehicle.

118 posted on 02/08/2013 11:59:20 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: RummyChick

All government colors too. black dark gray etc. i could list 40 or more hair raising discrepencies. it smells to high heaven.
Those that wish to ignore this do so at their own peril.
yes i believe 911 was not an inside job. there was a holocaust. columbine happened.
i dont believe flight 800 nor sandy hook. too too many eye witness discrepancies.


119 posted on 02/08/2013 12:23:48 PM PST by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: RummyChick

All government colors too. black dark gray etc. i could list 40 or more hair raising discrepencies. it smells to high heaven.
Those that wish to ignore this do so at their own peril.
yes i believe 911 was not an inside job. there was a holocaust. columbine happened.
i dont believe flight 800 nor sandy hook. too too many eye witness discrepancies.


120 posted on 02/08/2013 12:24:14 PM PST by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: knarf

Your post is only semi-coherent to me, but you seem to be saying that because Satan is real, it’s possible that unseen enemies within our gov’t could stage a hoax this large.

I posit that Satan could just as easily run a psy-op campaign against Christians by sucking them into ridiculous conspiracy theories that keep them distracted from their actual relationship with Christ.

Two people can only keep a secret if one of them is dead. A hoax with this many participants is improbable.


121 posted on 02/08/2013 12:34:58 PM PST by Valpal1
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To: knarf
To all you DOUBTERS out there.. Be prepared to go WTF??!!!

http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/tag/richard-sexton/

122 posted on 02/08/2013 12:42:03 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
I don't understand;

Doubt it's real or doubt it's false ?

123 posted on 02/08/2013 12:49:59 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: carriage_hill; knarf

That’s funny. When I made my comment in post 17 about none of the posts being removed yet, there weren’t any that looked like they ever would be removed. Maybe the moderator just removed a random post to keep up the intrigue?


124 posted on 02/08/2013 2:32:37 PM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: knarf; All

This firehouse footage shows that all ambulances are there, and locked in place so they are useless. That should be decisive in itself.

Also see this great helicopter footage of school, which is 200 yards away:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pA1P7lSAog

You’ll see no ambulances, no frenzy, no kids. Max Malone theorizes that the school was always empty (not in use), thus there’s nobody to evacuate, nobody to carry to hospital, nobody to put in an ambulance, so why bother with them?

Weirdly, it’s possible that few or none died; and Adam Lanza was never at the school, not alive anyway. I’ve been thinking the best comparison is when David Copperfield makes an airplane disappear.


The other two BIG discrepancies are: 1) parents, etc. who don’t cry; 2) websites, etc. that appeared early.

.


125 posted on 02/08/2013 2:41:36 PM PST by BruceDeitrickPrice (education reform)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice; All

PS

This is the latest, hippest summary I’ve seen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prwcUy4TsCM


126 posted on 02/08/2013 2:50:01 PM PST by BruceDeitrickPrice (education reform)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

What I see is that time and date stamps and anything identifying the original source has been carefully removed so the voice over can insert their own context and create discrepancies out of whole cloth.

And nobody can call them on it without first spending hours tracking down the raw footage source.

But the unemployed basement dwellers have nothing but time to make stuff up in order to feel relevant and empowered.

You should step out of their circle jerk before it’s too late.


127 posted on 02/08/2013 4:25:42 PM PST by Valpal1
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

That helicopter footage is eerie...


128 posted on 02/09/2013 7:54:49 AM PST by servantoftheservant
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To: servantoftheservant; BruceDeitrickPrice
That helicopter footage is eerie...

The footage or the Aussie narrating it who clearly doesn't know what he is seeing nor what he is talking about.

Does he even know that at that point there was no one left alive in the school to take to the hospital or is he just wilfully ignorant???

129 posted on 02/09/2013 8:20:30 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: knarf
*** How plausable IS Sandyhook being a hoax? ***

Somewhere between zero and ... zero. I've seen a lot of those YouTube 'False Flag' / Hoax Videos plus the comments by the cultists. Every single one of those people are certifiable. Seriously those Sandy Hook 'False Flag', hoax conspiracy, people are just too much. They're 106 worse than Truthers: 'Crisis Actors', WTF?!? Granted I may have missed one or two Videos claiming it was 'the Joooooos', or a Mossad Black Op but that's about it.

And ... I love a good conspiracy, like JFK getting whacked. IMO, if Oswald acted alone then I was the 4th man on the Apollo 11 mission and 1st one on the Moon after Neil Armstrong. (PLEASE don't anyone say that was a hoax too!}

130 posted on 02/09/2013 8:42:32 AM PST by Condor51 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
This is the latest, hippest summary I’ve seen:

Why is that??? Are you the yahoo dancin' around in it??

131 posted on 02/09/2013 9:07:48 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice; All
Then There Is THIS .. January 29, 2013
132 posted on 02/09/2013 10:35:05 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: knarf

Now that was just a drill.

See how easy it is to tell the difference between a drill and the real a thing.


133 posted on 02/09/2013 11:57:14 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Not in the beginning ... it took the 6 o’clock news to settle it


134 posted on 02/09/2013 12:01:56 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: knarf

But they did settle it by 6 o’clock that day.


135 posted on 02/09/2013 12:31:00 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
You're right .. they're not out to get us

Start at the 1:06 mark ... your next, high ranking, I can do anything I want gummint official

136 posted on 02/09/2013 1:06:40 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: knarf

Stay focused, knarf. That has nothing to do with Sandy Hook.


137 posted on 02/09/2013 1:17:56 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: knarf

All I can ask is, you have to be sh$!ing me.


138 posted on 02/09/2013 1:22:41 PM PST by Toespi
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To: knarf
"The children" hjave been used since the 70's (as I remember ... I could be wrong on the date) because we love our kids and put our women on pedestals.

The poor, starving children were used to promote the "Great Society" and the "War on Poverty"--and don't forget "Trick or Treat for UNICEF". I'll see your '70s and raise you a decade. (60s)

Interesting thread, knarf. It's odd haw so many are in such a hurry to shout down inconsistencies (and there are a wad of them, especially in the earlier reports before the story got homogenized/Pasteurized, and bottled up). Especially considering that the best defense the Administration has had for many of its acts is that they read like something from an outlandish action novel. Just bringing the charges sounds like a conspiracy theory--even for things we know were done. Fast and Furious comes to mind, and in a saner day would have been discarded out of hand as a crackpot theory, even though we know it happened. We still haven't seen someone's school transcripts and other CV.

When the best defense of an administration has been that its crimes are unbelievably outlandish, bringing ridicule, not rational answers to defend against accusations, anything out of the ordinary merits scrutiny.

No sense in the shoutdown, or flaming each other, I think a rational discussion of the facts--or even the contradictions in different 'fact sets' would be a great thing, and possibly do more to expose any irregularities than slinging around wads of flawed reports and ad hominem attacks.

If we just had who, what, where, when for each report as the day progressed, showed which were incompatible with video, streaming radio (911) chatter, personnel movements and actions, etc. that might go a long way toward sorting the mess out.

No one denies there was a lot of misinformation flying around. The question is one of whether that is the 'fog of reporting' or something more sinister (smokescreen).

Either way, it sure hasn't stopped the MSM from calling for Eddie Eagle, served up roasted and stuffed, and an unusually robust vilification of firearms and their owners.

I have often maintained that the proliferation of so-called conspiracy theories is merely the attempt to explain the otherwise unexplainable.

Given the knowledge that the current administration has

> already pushed the boundaries of what was once credible by arming street gangs and foreign drug cartels in an attempt to produce statistics which could be used to promote the denial of a fundamental Civil Right (no doubt, involving more than one person in the know, and hence, a conspiracy, by definition), and

>the sheer amount of mid/disinformation about this event,

>the haste to abridge that right,

>the tremendous and wholehearted complicity of the media, if in no other role than to muddle the events of that day, but also lustily promoting the agenda of those who would try to take a fundamental Right, Who needs a theory.

The only question is one of how deep the conspiracy goes, and to what levels the Government, the media, and the anti-gun people would go.

That won't be discovered by ignoring that there are groups who are closely allied, if not coordinating to remove a fundamental Right from our culture. Whether that is a question of being ready to jump on the issue before the bodies have cooled, or it goes farther, has not been completely explored. Only by calmly comparing the story lines, finding inconsistencies, and ferreting out the facts by rationally comparing them will something close to the truth be known.

Then, let the chips fall where they may.

139 posted on 02/09/2013 3:04:13 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe
No sense in the shoutdown, or flaming each other, I think a rational discussion of the facts--or even the contradictions in different 'fact sets' would be a great thing, and possibly do more to expose any irregularities than slinging around wads of flawed reports and ad hominem attacks.

Seems reasonable. But not happening on FR since the SH event. Perhaps you can help change the attack environment into a civilized one. I failed.
140 posted on 02/10/2013 12:45:45 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: knarf

I live 15 minutes from Newtown and have a connection to one of the victims.

Had to stay away from FR for a while due to the conspiracy crap.

Months later and I’m still having a hard time dealing with that day.


141 posted on 02/22/2013 7:17:31 AM PST by Wanderer99
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To: Wanderer99

I’ve lost a child - I can’t imagine what it’s like for these parents to deal with their grief while being accused of losing....what?nothing?
That they are all actors and actresses?

Sadly I have friends and family who have fallen for this malarkey.

If it’s on youtube, it must be true!


142 posted on 02/22/2013 7:29:49 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: knarf

There are an unlimited supply of Sandy Truthers infecting FR. and they are extremely disgusting people.

These animals will get what they deserve someday.


143 posted on 03/01/2013 8:16:18 PM PST by Wanderer99
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