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'Zero Dark Thirty' Threatens the 'Bush-the-Incompetent' Narrative
Townhall.com ^ | February 7, 2013 | Larry Elder

Posted on 02/07/2013 11:55:35 AM PST by Kaslin

In "Zero Dark Thirty," the movie about the killing of Osama bin Laden, one of the first scenes shows a terrorist being waterboarded, where useful information gets extracted. The movie thus asserts the controversial practice leads to actionable intelligence.

Not only was former President George W. Bush criticized for "authorizing torture," his critics argued that "torture doesn't work." During the 2008 presidential campaign, then-Sen. Barack Obama said: "Torture is how you get bad information, not good intelligence. ... No more secret authorization of methods like simulated drowning. When I am President, America will once again be the country that stands up to these deplorable tactics."

"Zero Dark Thirty " threatens that narrative.

Here's the problem. Presumably to help make the film as accurate as possible, and, many suspect, to aid in his re-election, President Barack Obama's administration gave the filmmakers what some describe as "unprecedented access" to the State Department. At the time, many conservatives criticized the cozy relationship the screenwriter and director enjoyed with the State Department. (The film, ultimately, didn't come out until after Obama's re-election.)

The Obama administration was not happy. How dare the movie suggest that waterboarding "worked" and that it led to information useful in leading us to bin Laden?!

So in a rare comment on the alleged accuracy of a movie, the head of the CIA issued a statement denying that waterboarding played a positive role in leading to bin Laden. The film, wrote acting CIA Director Mike Morell, "takes significant artistic license, while portraying itself as being historically accurate. ... 'Zero Dark Thirty' is a dramatization, not a realistic portrayal of the facts. ... Whether enhanced interrogation techniques were the only timely and effective way to obtain information from those detainees, as the film suggests, is a matter of debate that cannot and never will be definitively resolved."

This statement didn't satisfy the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, prompting a probe of the CIA's contacts with the filmmakers. Chairman Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., and two other committee members, Sens. Carl Levin, D-Mich., and John McCain, R-Ariz., sent a letter to Morell, challenging his statement. The senators claimed that Morell's words were "potentially inconsistent" with their committee's studies and asked him to "provide specific examples of information that was obtained in a 'timely and effective' way from CIA detainees subjected to the CIA's enhanced interrogation techniques."

The trio of senators also sent a letter to Sony Pictures, saying the studio has "an obligation" to correct "the impression that the CIA's use of coercive interrogation techniques led to the operation against Osama bin Laden."

Calling "enhanced interrogation" techniques "indisputably torture" and waterboarding a "mock execution," longtime anti-waterboarder McCain once said: "In my personal experience, the abuse of prisoners sometimes produces good intelligence, but often produces bad intelligence because under torture a person will say anything he thinks his captors want to hear -- whether it is true or false -- if he believes it will relieve his suffering."

But there's a problem -- Obama's own team says enhanced interrogation provided useful information.

On two occasions, former CIA Director and current Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta conceded that waterboarding produced good intel. When asked about this last Sunday on "Meet the Press," Panetta said: "I lived the real story. ... The real story is that in order to put the puzzle of intelligence together that led us to bin Laden, there was a lot of intelligence. There were a lot of pieces out there that were part of that puzzle. Yes, some of it came from some of the tactics that were used at that time, interrogation tactics that were used. But the fact is we put together most of that intelligence without having to resort to that."

And then there was the May 3, 2011, interview, when NBC's Brian Williams asked Panetta: "Are you denying that waterboarding was, in part, among the tactics used to extract the intelligence that led to this successful mission (to kill bin Laden)?"

"Some of the detainees," said Panetta, "clearly were, you know -- they used these enhanced interrogation techniques against some of these detainees. But I'm also saying that, you know, the debate about whether -- whether we would have gotten the same information through other approaches I think is always gonna be an open question."

Hollywood once made a movie, "Hurricane," which portrayed boxer Rubin "Hurricane" Carter as an innocent man wrongly convicted of a triple homicide. One slight problem. Carter did it. Carter murdered three people; there was ample physical evidence pointing to his guilt, evidence ignored by the movie. And contrary to the alleged "all white jury," Carter's second trial -- that resulted in a second conviction -- included two blacks. Did the attorney general see the need to correct the film's accuracy?

Here, "Zero Dark Thirty" makes a real attempt to get it right. But this upsets the Bush-the-moronic-incompetent narrative.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: barackobama; cia; georgewbush; hollywood; moviereview; waterboarding; zerodarkthirty

1 posted on 02/07/2013 11:55:51 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
(The film, ultimately, didn't come out until after Obama's re-election.)

It's pretty clear the movie release was held up until then precisely because it confirms that waterboarding was used to catch bin Laden.

2 posted on 02/07/2013 12:06:49 PM PST by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: Kaslin

“Did the attorney general see the need to correct the film’s accuracy?”

The “Hurricane” was prosecuted by state authorities (though naturally appeals were judged on the federal leve), so probably not.


3 posted on 02/07/2013 12:13:35 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Menehune56

More likely it was held back to increase odds for Oscar nominations. That’s a favorite tactic; less time for buzz to wither.


4 posted on 02/07/2013 12:16:55 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Kaslin

Torture is as Unconstitutional as confiscating firearms or issuing executive orders that violate Congressional Laws or the Constitution.

The Bushes were and are, fools. Bush I started America’s slide into fiscal penury, ran a lousy campaign and lost to an even worse candidate, and Bush II magnified all the faults of his father.

Like the Abuses of Homeland Security? How about abuses of the Patriot Act?

Bush II was responsible for both of them. And as soon as the Dems took power, they ran with the ball he tossed them.

Like all the fiscal nightmare of the Obama Administration? They had their genesis in the actions of Bush II.

Further, like Kissinger, the Romneys, the Clintons, and the entire circus and zoo of leftists, the Bushes are one worlders. hey support the UN and pandering to foreign powers which abuse us economically as well as through military threats.


5 posted on 02/07/2013 12:28:36 PM PST by ZULU (See: http://gatesofvienna.net/)
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To: Kaslin
'Zero Dark Thirty' Threatens the 'Bush-the-Incompetent' Narrative

So??



6 posted on 02/07/2013 2:16:38 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kaslin
(Art.) So in a rare comment on the alleged accuracy of a movie, the head of the CIA issued a statement denying that waterboarding played a positive role in leading to bin Laden.

Official denunciation by government drones, at the direction of federal policy-pukes. The new Palme D'Or of documentary and docudramatic filmmakers everywhere.

You haven't done your job until the _Resident directs a political hack to throw up on you.

7 posted on 02/07/2013 11:14:54 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Kaslin

Saw Zero Dark Thirty a couple of hours ago. Thought it was very good overall, bearing in mind it is entertainment and not a documentary. And I do love films with happy endings :)


8 posted on 02/10/2013 2:42:05 AM PST by Figure11 (There's nothing an agnostic can't do if he doesn't know whether he believes in it or not.)
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To: Kaslin

Saw Zero Dark Thirty a couple of hours ago. Thought it was very good overall, bearing in mind it is entertainment and not a documentary. And I do love films with happy endings :)


9 posted on 02/10/2013 2:42:11 AM PST by Figure11 (There's nothing an agnostic can't do if he doesn't know whether he believes in it or not.)
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