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Officials hunt for ex-cop in shootings of 3 officers; 1 killed
The LA Times ^ | 7 Februrary 2013 | Andrew Blankstein and Kate Mather

Posted on 02/07/2013 7:44:21 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

A massive manhunt was underway Thursday morning for an ex-Los Angeles Police Department officer suspected of shooting three police officers early Thursday, one fatally. He is also a suspect in the shooting of a couple in Irvine over the weekend.

The suspect wrote an online manifesto on his Facebook page, threatening to harm police officials and their families, law enforcement sources said.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: christopherdorner; cops; dorner; exofficer; leftwingmurderer; partisanmediashills; shoots
Several points:

1. He published his views BEFORE doing something stupid. Got his message out.

2. Using carefully thought-out tactics instead of allowing anger to short-circuit all thinking.

3. Targeted those involved and not everyone else.

4. He's a big man. Big target, hard to hide.

5. Are we on the edge of anarchy in this nation?

6. Misuse of guns again puts all lawful gunowners at risk.

7. Time to address the moral issues yet? What about a religious value system being encouraged that doesn't see this type of action as a solution to problems? Prayer BACK in schools?

No, he's not driving the Titan pickup anymore. Also, since he got his message out, the department might want to investigate the allegations he made about slander.

1 posted on 02/07/2013 7:44:27 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

The same JBT organizations which are now equipped with drones and other military toys. The odds of these organizations experiencing “workplace violence” (as Obama likes to call it) when agents of the state turn on it’s master are scheduled for a growth curve.


2 posted on 02/07/2013 7:50:05 AM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Prayer BACK in schools?

Do you really want the State writing a prayer for your lips? The problem is not that the State isn't making kids pray, it's that the State runs all the schools.

3 posted on 02/07/2013 7:53:34 AM PST by DManA
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
The guy was a lieutenant in the Navy. Does seem odd that he would lie about his TO kicking a suspect. Unless he was as nuts then as he is now.


4 posted on 02/07/2013 7:54:53 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Obama's vision - No Job is a Good Job)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Seems he’s not fooling around.


5 posted on 02/07/2013 8:01:11 AM PST by ZX12R
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To: ZX12R

There was a radio report this AM that they found his wallet near the San Diego Airport.


6 posted on 02/07/2013 8:08:42 AM PST by Oldexpat
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

There are people with mental issues everywhere. It seems that the damage is done when they are smart about it. They can evade the controls, plan, and reek mayhem at will. At least for a relatively short time.


7 posted on 02/07/2013 8:11:29 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: VeniVidiVici
wonder what type of discharge he received right around the same time as the LAPD termination..
8 posted on 02/07/2013 8:13:14 AM PST by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

This is why, at the very minimum, citizens have the same weapons capacity as do the police. I would argue that we should have the same capacity as the military but then I would be considered an extremist, a raving lunatic. Just remember, NO ONE (unless in custody) in this country has a legal right to police protection. NO ONE. Only those they CHOOSE to protect will receive such....


9 posted on 02/07/2013 8:20:57 AM PST by yadent
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To: yadent
glad I am not out and about, because they have already shot at some Innocent people driving by in the same color truck. this is not going to end well
10 posted on 02/07/2013 8:25:03 AM PST by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Going to be interesting to find out how a 270 pound guy got the drop on 3 officers who were guarding a person he had threatened in his facebook post.


11 posted on 02/07/2013 8:28:56 AM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: yadent
Who would you rather entrust your welfare and safety to, an agent of the government, or this guy? He is my faith in the next generation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi-PdId7DBU

12 posted on 02/07/2013 8:31:12 AM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

seems like a warning to people in authority to be careful what they do, take everything away from a man (with alleged lies)and he has nothing left to lose...


13 posted on 02/07/2013 8:34:47 AM PST by rolling_stone
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
You asked: 5. Are we on the edge of anarchy in this nation?

Yes.

14 posted on 02/07/2013 8:37:08 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Appears to have been at one time an upstanding guy. Wonder what the facts are?


15 posted on 02/07/2013 8:55:25 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

He turned in a fellow cop and violated the blue wall of silence. The blue wall black balled him. That’s my theory.


16 posted on 02/07/2013 9:04:26 AM PST by ChuckHam
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
The guy tried to hijack at boat last night in San Diego. The local radio talk show folks are pointing out the folly of California making it so damn hard to have arms for self defense. The San Diego PD Chief Lansdouche was wetting himself with the prospects of fully disarming everyone with the current gun control activity in DC. Just the kind of guy you want in charge.

The guy left his police badge near the airport last night. He is still believed to be in the gray Nissan Titan with a switch license plate starting with 7XO in place of the original one starting with 8D8.

17 posted on 02/07/2013 9:08:12 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
It could very well have gone down like he said it did.


18 posted on 02/07/2013 9:31:34 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Obama's vision - No Job is a Good Job)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Heard this on the news this morning. An officer is at the home of every officer to protect his/her family and an officer is with all others he named as targets.

This man is so accomplished in killing and knowing how to do it effectively, is freaking out all those he named as targets.


19 posted on 02/07/2013 9:39:53 AM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Now way to know who the good guys/bad guys are these days. The police dept’s are infested with corrupt cops.


20 posted on 02/07/2013 9:44:18 AM PST by CardeadInKy ("The problem with Liberalism is that eventually you run out of other people's money" -Marg Thatcher)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Also, since he got his message out, the department might want to investigate the allegations he made about slander.

Most news stories are not giving any details about the hearing in which he claims he was railroaded.

See: Monica Quan and Keith Lawrence Murders: Christopher Dorner, ex-cop, sought in slaying of basketball coach, fiance

According to documents from a court of appeals hearing in October 2011, Dorner was fired from the LAPD after he made a complaint against his field training officer, Sgt. Teresa Evans. Dorner said that in the course of an arrest, Evans kicked suspect Christopher Gettler, a schizophrenic with severe dementia.

Following an investigation, Dorner was fired for making false statements.

Richard Gettler, the schizophrenic man's father, gave testimony that supported Dorner's claim. After his son was returned on July 28, 2007, Richard Gettler asked "if he had been in a fight because his face was puffy" and his son responded that he was kicked twice in the chest by a police officer.

His 'manifesto' had been scrubbed from Facebook, but it's available online in other places.

He gives a lot of details about how he tried to blow the whistle on Sgt. Evans, but the LAPD protected her and fired him, smearing his name in the process.

What the news stories don't say is that Christopher Gettler said that he was kicked twice in the chest and once in the face by the female arresting officer:

In 8/07 I reported an officer (Ofcr. Teresa Evans/now a Sergeant), for kicking a suspect (excessive force) during a Use of Force while I was assigned as a patrol officer at LAPD’s Harbor Division. While cuffing the suspect, (Christopher Gettler), Evans kicked the suspect twice in the chest and once in the face. The kick to the face left a visible injury on the left cheek below the eye. Unfortunately after reporting it to supervisors and investigated by PSB (internal affairs investigator Det. Villanueva/Gallegos), nothing was done. I had broken their supposed “Blue Line”.

Unfortunately, It’s not JUST US, it’s JUSTICE!!! In fact, 10 months later on 6/25/08, after already successfully completing probation, acquiring a basic Post Certificate, and Intermediate Post Certificate, I was relieved of duty by the LAPD while assigned to patrol at Southwest division. It is clear as day that the department retaliated toward me for reporting Evans for kicking Mr. Christopher Gettler. The department stated that I had lied and made up the report that Evans had kicked the suspect.

I later went to a Board of Rights (department hearing for decision of continued employment) from 10/08 to 1/09. During this BOR hearing a video was played for the BOR panel where Christopher Gettler stated that he was indeed kicked by Officer Evans (video sent to multiple news agencies). In addition to Christopher Gettler stating he was kicked, his father Richard Gettler, also stated that his son had stated he was kicked by an officer when he was arrested after being released from custody. This was all presented for the department at the BOR hearing. They still found me guilty and terminated me.

What they didn’t mention was that the BOR panel made up of Capt. Phil Tingirides, Capt. Justin Eisenberg, and City Attorney Martella had a signigicant problem from the time the board was assembled. Capt. Phil Tingirides was a personal friend of Teresa Evans from when he was her supervisor at Harbor station. That is a clear conflict of interest and I made my argument for his removal early and was denied. The advocate for the LAPD BOR was Sgt. Anderson. Anderson also had a conflict of interest as she was Evans friend and former partner from Harbor division where they both worked patrol together. I made my argument for her removal when I discovered her relation to Evans and it was denied.

Dorner goes on to state:

During the BOR an officer named, Sgt. Hernandez, from Los Angeles Port Police testified on behalf of the LAPD. Hernandez stated for the BOR that he arrived at the location of the UOF shortly before I cuffed the suspect. He also stated that he assisted in cuffing the suspect and that’s old the BOR he told me to fix my tie. All of those statements were LIES!!! Hernandez, you arrived at the UOF location up to 30 seconds after I had cuffed Mr. Gettler. All you did was help me lift the suspect to his feet as it was difficult for me to do by myself because of his heavy weight. You did not tell me to fix my tie as the BOR members and everyone else in the room know you lied because the photographic evidence from the UOF scene where Gettler’s injuries were photographed clearly shows me wearing a class B uniform on that day. A class B uniform is a short sleeved uniform blouse. A short sleeved uniform blouse for the LAPD does not have a tie included. This is not Super Troopers uniform, you jackass. Why did you feel the need to embellish and lie about your involvement in the UOF? Are you ashamed that you could not get hired on by any other department other than port police? Do you have delusions of grandeur? What you did was perjury, exactly what Evans did when she stated she did not kick Christopher Gettler.

What they failed to mention in the BOR was Teresa Evans own use of force history during her career on the LAPD. She has admitted that she has a lengthy use of force record and has been flagged several times by risk management. She has a very well known nickname, Chupacabra, which she was very proud to flaunt around the division. She found it very funny and entertaining to draw blood from suspects and arrestees. At one point she even intentionally ripped the flesh off the arm of a woman we had arrested for battery (sprayed her neighbor with a garden water hose). Knowing the woman had thin elastic skin, she performed and Indian burn to the woman’s arm after cuffing her. That woman was in her mid-70′s, a mother and grandmother, and was angry at her tenants who failed to pay rent on time. Something I can completely understand and I am sure many have wanted to do toward tenants who do not pay their rent. Teresa Evans was also demoted from a senior lead officer rank/position for performance issues. During my two months of working patrol with Teresa Evans, I found her as a woman who was very angry that she had been pulled from patrol for a short time because of a domestic violence report made by Long Beach Police Department because of an incident involving her active LAPD officer boyfriend, Dominick Fuentes, and herself. Dominick Fuentes is the same officer investigated for witness tampering. She also was visibly angry on a daily basis that she was going to have to file for bankruptcy because her ex-husband, a former LAPD officer and not Dominick Fuentes, who had left the department, state, and was nowhere to be found had left her with a tax bill and debt that she was unable to pay because of a lack of financial means. Evans, you are a POS and you lied right to the BOR panel when Randy Quan asked you if you kicked Christopher Gettler. You destroyed my life and name because of your actions.

21 posted on 02/07/2013 10:26:25 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: ChuckHam
He turned in a fellow cop and violated the blue wall of silence. The blue wall black balled him. That’s my theory.

That's how it seems to me, too.

Details are in my post #21 above.

22 posted on 02/07/2013 10:41:12 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

http://weaselzippers.us/2013/02/07/piers-morgan-fan-goes-on-shooting-rampage-killing-three/


23 posted on 02/07/2013 12:04:34 PM PST by manic4organic (It was nice knowing you, America.)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
Richard Gettler, the schizophrenic man's father, gave testimony that supported Dorner's claim. After his son was returned on July 28, 2007, Richard Gettler asked "if he had been in a fight because his face was puffy" and his son responded that he was kicked twice in the chest by a police officer.

If true, we now have a message. Law enforcement is generally able to hide this stuff. So, Mr. Dorner's reaction is totally wrong. Many of us can understand exactly how Mr. Dorner feels, having been treated similarly. The female officer should also be terminated for lying. Where are righteous judges?

24 posted on 02/07/2013 12:12:06 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Marcella
Heard this on the news this morning. An officer is at the home of every officer to protect his/her family and an officer is with all others he named as targets.

If you or your family were threatened in this way, would you get this sort of protection? (I'm assuming you are a 'civilian')

25 posted on 02/07/2013 12:22:04 PM PST by Half Vast Conspiracy (Based on a letter from an 8 year old…school is now illegal…”cuz it’s yuckey and dumb".)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
If true, we now have a message. Law enforcement is generally able to hide this stuff. So, Mr. Dorner's reaction is totally wrong. Many of us can understand exactly how Mr. Dorner feels, having been treated similarly. The female officer should also be terminated for lying. Where are righteous judges?

Not only can they hide it, but it's clear they usually do.

Unfortunately, in this case those judging the lying cop were her friends.

26 posted on 02/07/2013 1:09:00 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy
“If you or your family were threatened in this way, would you get this sort of protection? (I'm assuming you are a ‘civilian’)”

I'm a civilian with multiple weapons and multiple many cartridge ammo magazines because I WOULD NOT GET THEIR PROTECTION. Screw the idea of a limit of 7 cartridges. That idea/law promotes death to citizens. PLUS, IT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL!

27 posted on 02/07/2013 2:43:45 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

The most the legal system gives is a piece of paper - a court order. I think a judge would issue a court order against Mr. Dorner. That ought to work.


28 posted on 02/07/2013 3:39:33 PM PST by Cboldt
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