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DHS Raids Gun Collector Confiscates Nearly 1,500 Guns No Charges Filed.
Freedom Outpost.com ^ | February 2, 2013 | Tim Brown

Posted on 02/02/2013 5:11:39 PM PST by barmag25

On Wednesday, the Department of Homeland Security, along with a SWAT team and Bernalillo County sheriff’s deputies raided the home of Robert Adams in Albuquerque, New Mexico and, according to a federal search warrant affidavit the raid seized nearly 1,500 firearms from the man’s home and business. However, no charges have been filed against him, despite the fact that court documents reveal that agents had been watching Adams for years. By Wednesday afternoon dozens of rifles were hauled out of the house, bagged as evidence and laid out on the lawn. According to search warrants that were filed on Thursday Homeland Security Investigations confiscated nearly 900 firearms from Adams’ home, 548 handguns and 317 rifles. They also seized 599 pistols and revolvers from his office. Neighbors say that he was a firearms collector and some indicated that he was also a licensed gun seller. No confirmation of that has been forthcoming. While having been watched for years and no charges filed as they seized Adam’s firearms, Federal investigators are saying that they are investigating him for gun smuggling, tax evasion, violating importation laws.

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1 posted on 02/02/2013 5:11:48 PM PST by barmag25
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To: barmag25

WTH?


2 posted on 02/02/2013 5:14:22 PM PST by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: barmag25
WTF? No charges? Have the raids by Janet's SS Gestapo begun? Is this the same guy?:

http://www.adamsguns.com/

3 posted on 02/02/2013 5:15:44 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: barmag25

It has begun.


4 posted on 02/02/2013 5:16:21 PM PST by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: barmag25

Cynical I am maybe, but I give high odds on a harassment operation meant to make the Bummer government look good (and BATFE may have even said the time was not ripe for such a raid and gotten overruled), rather than any “smoking gun” (pardon the pun) having been found blaming the fellow for genuine wrongdoing.

Maybe they were so busy watching him that they had no time to catch all those walked guns before they went to Mexico. Yeah that’s the ticket.


5 posted on 02/02/2013 5:16:54 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: barmag25

Even if he is found innocent, the guns will be destroyed before he can get them back.


6 posted on 02/02/2013 5:17:21 PM PST by bolobaby
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To: barmag25
"548 handguns and 317 rifles. They also seized 599 pistols and revolvers"

OK, we need usable definitions for the various configurations of short guns.

7 posted on 02/02/2013 5:17:36 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: barmag25

they’ll figure out the charges later. what’s the difference? with all the effing laws on the books they’ve made the law-abiding into criminals.

i wish the people down there would have given it to the confiscators.


8 posted on 02/02/2013 5:18:00 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: bolobaby

Resulting in a huge lawsuit which will probably fall in the lap of a Republican administration (I don’t think Obama expects his act to be followed).


9 posted on 02/02/2013 5:18:56 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

looks to be the same guy.


10 posted on 02/02/2013 5:19:36 PM PST by barmag25
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To: barmag25
That's a lot of guns, enough that I might consider him quirky (or maybe not). Still, it is a violation of the Fourth Amendment "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated . . ." to take his property if there is insufficient justification for criminal charges. [Courts may disagree with me, but if so, they are wrong.] I'd rather have armed American citizens defending themselves on their own than a Department of Homeland Security that ignores the Bill of Rights.
11 posted on 02/02/2013 5:21:57 PM PST by Pollster1
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To: barmag25

Believe it or not we actually used to have people called Attorney general’s that would stop FELONY KIDNAPPING and FELONY ARMED ROBBERY CRIMES like this, especially when the perpetrators are Government Employees. Nothing prevents the STATE from Prosecuting every last person involved. Arrest them, remanded without bail, General Population, hell your local County DA could do it also. No charges?? No Allegation of a Crime , can you say BOGUS Warrant?? And people wonder why I would trust the average criminal gang banger before I would trust ANYONE WITH A BADGE.


12 posted on 02/02/2013 5:22:29 PM PST by eyeamok
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To: barmag25

Remember last year, when they busted all those old guys in Michigan (I think), saying they were violent militia guys? There were maybe 100 charges or more.

They got off SCOTT-FREE, they had done nothing wrong at all.

They were just some guys who frequented some local range —that’s it.

MORE OF THE SAME, I’ll bet. He’s probably a great guy, and law-abiding.


13 posted on 02/02/2013 5:24:06 PM PST by gaijin
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Those guns were still on this side of the border. ATF was busy pushing guns over to the other side of the border.

I think I see a pattern forming.

14 posted on 02/02/2013 5:24:49 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: barmag25
On Wednesday, the Department of Homeland Security, along with a SWAT team and Bernalillo County sheriff’s deputies raided the home of Robert Adams in Albuquerque, New Mexico and, according to a federal search warrant affidavit the raid seized nearly 1,500 firearms from the man’s home and business.

I thought sheriffs' departments weren't going to do the sort of thing.

15 posted on 02/02/2013 5:25:17 PM PST by Ken H
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To: barmag25

Gun smuggling is under BATFE, tax evasion under IRS, and import laws is under ICE.

Why the hell is DHS doing the raid and not the respective departments if this guy was actually being investigated for any of these probably fake charges.


16 posted on 02/02/2013 5:27:12 PM PST by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: barmag25

Charges? We don’t need no stinkin’ charges.

I’ve been censored ONE time here at FR, and at the beginning of Obama’s first term I raised this question:

“Can anyone name a prominent African leader —anywhere, and in all world history— who did not turn out to be a dictator and thief...?”

And the answers I got were MLK, Mandela, and some Ethiopian from 300 years ago, or something.

Can u add to my list? Cuz Obama and his henchmen are NOT on it....


17 posted on 02/02/2013 5:29:07 PM PST by gaijin
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To: Paladin2

“Handguns” is the broader category, and pistols and revolvers are separate types of handguns. According to Wikipedia, a pistol has the chamber integrated with the barrel, unlike a revolver.

“Handguns” and “pistols and revolvers” are synonyms. They seized 548 handguns from the home and 599 handguns from the office.


18 posted on 02/02/2013 5:29:25 PM PST by ReignOfError
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To: Domandred

DHS needs to justify the billion rounds of ammo they’re hoarding.


19 posted on 02/02/2013 5:29:58 PM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Jyotishi
It has begun.

It would appear that way. This has the potential to end very badly, but I will not say what I really think.

20 posted on 02/02/2013 5:31:09 PM PST by Mark17 (California, where English is a foreign language)
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To: bolobaby

Innocent of what? It says no charges filed.


21 posted on 02/02/2013 5:32:45 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: barmag25
Bernalillo County Sherriff Darren White:

"I hate America, I hate you, and your mother is a street walker."

22 posted on 02/02/2013 5:34:14 PM PST by gaijin
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To: Jyotishi
It has begun.

If it has then where are all the FReepers who call for insurrection and why aren't they mobilizing to drive to his defense?

Well, it is Super Bowl weekend after all and the big game is tomorrow. Maybe they're planning something for Monday...........

23 posted on 02/02/2013 5:35:47 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon or just throw her from the train......)
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To: barmag25
Another non-participant in Fast and Furious is bagged by Øbozo's JBSTs.

When are we going to arrest the REAL GUNRUNNERS?


24 posted on 02/02/2013 5:37:11 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias... "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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To: gaijin

Info on Mandela that probably isn’t generally known:

http://www.hnp.org.za/site/index.php?id=67

Not the peace-loving man he has been portrayed as.


25 posted on 02/02/2013 5:41:05 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: gaijin
Remember last year, when they busted all those old guys in Michigan (I think), saying they were violent militia guys?

Google the Hutaree......They were a bunch of nutjobs who gave a bad name to the rest of us firearms owning Americans........

26 posted on 02/02/2013 5:41:28 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon or just throw her from the train......)
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To: Hot Tabasco
Google the Hutaree......They were a bunch of nutjobs who gave a bad name to the rest of us firearms owning Americans........

1 -- I think that that might be more media taint than anything else, 2 -- THEY WERE ACQUITTED OF ALL CHARGES, more than a hundred.... being "a nutjob" isn't a reason to persecute someone.

27 posted on 02/02/2013 5:46:46 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: barmag25

They say they bagged up the guns on the law as EVIDENCE.

Evidence of WHAT?

They investigated him for YEARS, but do not even now know? That is puzzling.

Actually it’s ARBITRARY AUTHORITY, which is dictatorship.


28 posted on 02/02/2013 5:53:25 PM PST by gaijin
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To: ReignOfError

I apparently missed the dual location hit.


29 posted on 02/02/2013 6:00:55 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: barmag25

I once had a briefing on a sensitive subject, and before the briefing began, the briefer put up an unusual illustration.

It was of the head of a yawning baboon, its long, sharp, upper canine teeth descending two ropes, on which was a swing, with a little girl swinging on it, into and out of the baboon’s mouth.

He said that the baboon represented the media, or the government. “And you represent the little girl on the swing. As long as the baboon is bored and yawning, you can continue to have fun. But if *anything* attracts the baboon’s attention, it will no longer be bored, stop yawning, and it will be the end of you.”

He said that this is an important lesson in life. For no matter what you are doing, you should go to great lengths to never catch the attention of the baboon, or it will make a meal out of you.


30 posted on 02/02/2013 6:03:17 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: barmag25

Any damage to any gun, mark it SOLD to the Federal Gun Runners! Police regularly mark guns that are taken as evidence, in this case, that would devalue his inventory.

(Don’t take a check, and every day you until the goods are returned and restocked, charge a days worth of wages.)

Then comes the libel suit...


31 posted on 02/02/2013 6:17:33 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Chickensoup

Remember Lexington and Concord!


32 posted on 02/02/2013 6:21:38 PM PST by Weiner (e)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

I ran across some youtubes last night showing gun confiscation during Katrina. First time I had heard of it.

This one is called Katrina Illegal Gun Grab:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKkUG1F2JiI


33 posted on 02/02/2013 6:22:14 PM PST by JohnnyP
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To: Hot Tabasco
They were PORTRAYED by the media as a bunch of nutjobs. And were aquitted.

/johnny

34 posted on 02/02/2013 6:22:22 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: gaijin
Our house was once raided by the King County SWAT team. I was at work; my wife was in a cast after having foot surgery shortly before. She was held against the wall with guns pointed at her head while men heavily armed men ran around our house searching every nook and cranny. She was concerned about the safety of our three dogs... She was told that the officers had the “right” to shoot them.

They never showed her a search warrant or even ID. When they didn't find what they were looking for... they left without giving any apologies. I called the sheriffs office to find out what it was all about, but never received any coherent answer.

I was told that they were looking for a young man who had just gotten out of jail for having an underage girlfriend. The girl's dad called the police when he found that the two were planning on seeing each other. The young man had apparently given the authorities a phone number that had been associated with our address before we moved in. We bought the house from an elderly couple who had no association with the young man. We were told that the SWAT team raided our house based on a reverse directory search of a bogus phone number.

The entire episode illustrated to me that your rights can be trampled on. And even if you make a stink... nothing will be done about it. The responsible parties will not get in trouble. We didn't have any guns in the house at the time, but if we did I have often wondered if they would have been confiscated.

35 posted on 02/02/2013 6:22:22 PM PST by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: barmag25

What a waste of Government Money, they had this guy under surveillance for TWO years!!!


36 posted on 02/02/2013 6:31:05 PM PST by GraceG
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To: Pollster1

That’s a lot of guns, enough that I might consider him quirky (or maybe not). Still, it is a violation of the Fourth Amendment “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated . . .” to take his property if there is insufficient justification for criminal charges. [Courts may disagree with me, but if so, they are wrong.] I’d rather have armed American citizens defending themselves on their own than a Department of Homeland Security that ignores the Bill of Rights.

I collect LEGO, does that make me a criminal?

FDR made gold coin collectors criminals in the 1930’s Obama will do the same with Guns...


37 posted on 02/02/2013 6:33:14 PM PST by GraceG
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To: GraceG

Grace, Please understand... This is HOW it has always been done. Make an example of a few, most will then go willingly, wipe up the true patriots that are left later. We cannot demonize the first to fall in order to NORMALIZE the way we feel about in utero tyranny.


38 posted on 02/02/2013 6:42:32 PM PST by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can STILL go straight to hell.)
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To: Mark17

> This has the potential to end very badly, but I will not say what I really think.

You are wise in exercising abundant caution.


39 posted on 02/02/2013 6:42:48 PM PST by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: GraceG

Be patient. They will get to the LEGO collectors and hoarders soon enough.


40 posted on 02/02/2013 6:44:07 PM PST by sport
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To: gaijin
That's strange. This is what is on the Bernalillo County Sheriff's Office home page:

http://www.bernco.gov/sheriffs-office/

Location:
400 Roma NW
Albuquerque, NM 87102

Phone: (505) 468-7100

Hours:
Monday - Friday 8 a.m. - 5 p.m.

Email: sheriff@bernco.gov

Sheriff:
Dan Houston

Mission Statement:

The primary mission of the Bernalillo County Sheriff's Department includes the protection of life and property; resolution of conflict; creating and maintaining a feeling of security in the community; proactively reducing the opportunities for the commission of crime; identification, apprehension and prosecution of offenders of laws; and the preservation of peace. We accept as part of our msision [SIC] to work and preserve a quality of life in our community.

Services (What We Do):

The customer we serve is the safety and welfare of the general public of Bernalillo County. As with any business, we value and respect the needs of our customers and continously strive to provide them with public safety services in an effective, efficient and timely manner.


I don't see anything there about helping Øbozo's and Janet's Jackbooted Stormtroopers steal property from citizens!


41 posted on 02/02/2013 6:46:31 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias... "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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To: gaijin
Bernalillo County Sherriff Darren White:

Any freepers who live in this county want to run against this moron in the next election?

42 posted on 02/02/2013 6:47:35 PM PST by GraceG
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To: barmag25
Wow, is this ringing bells.

I'm right towards the end of a re-read of Unintended Consequences.

43 posted on 02/02/2013 6:49:21 PM PST by grobdriver (quences.)
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To: barmag25

Confiscation without conviction, trial, or charge. In other words: THEFT.

You have a right to protect your property.


44 posted on 02/02/2013 6:53:19 PM PST by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: grobdriver

Yeah, so much for ‘fiction’ or it published as a ‘novel’ . . .


45 posted on 02/02/2013 6:58:52 PM PST by elpinta (Jer. 10:23 - It really holds true!)
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To: gaijin

Actually, Gaijin, Mandela and his were terrorists.

And in answer to your question, I certainly can’t name one...


46 posted on 02/02/2013 6:59:08 PM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: Hot Tabasco

“If it has then where are all the FReepers who call for insurrection and why aren’t they mobilizing to drive to his defense?”

Like anybody would tell you if they were..... :P


47 posted on 02/02/2013 7:48:56 PM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: barmag25

I can hear it now......

“I support the Second Amendment. I’m a hunter! However, no one needs 1,500 guns to hunt or shoot at a deer!”


48 posted on 02/02/2013 8:35:19 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: GraceG; gaijin
That guy is gone. From wiki:

In September 2010, the Albuquerque Journal reported that as Sheriff of Bernalillo County, Darren White was found to have evaded state law in a class action case that could cost the county millions. District Judge Nan Nash found that the County and Sheriff White practiced stopping motorists on state highways and seizing funds they may have had, usually under $10,000, but the persons were never charged with a crime nor was their money returned but found its way to the Sheriff's department. The City of Albuquerque already settled the class action suit for over $800,000. The Mayor of Albuquerque, Richard Berry appointed Darren White to oversee the Police Department as the Chief Public Safety Officer, the highest law enforcement position in the City.[6] He has since stepped down from this position due to controversy surrounding police shootings and questionable police procedure involving a family member.

49 posted on 02/02/2013 9:00:17 PM PST by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: OneWingedShark

I metal detect, am a geologist, wander around in the forest and desert, and own a “few” firearms. By the standard of any couch occupying government benefit consumer I am probably a “nutjob”...


50 posted on 02/02/2013 9:18:06 PM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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