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Morning Joe: 'Ignore' Rubio's Remarks To Rush—Just Taking Care of Base, Saving Face
NewsBusters ^ | Mark Finkelstein

Posted on 01/30/2013 5:57:40 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest

Marco Rubio's tough talk to Rush Limbaugh yesterday about no immigration deal being done unless certain language on border security, etc. is included? Ignore it. Just Rubio taking care of his conservative base—and saving face. In the end, Rubio will likely give Obama his vote on immigration reform. It's all about finding an out for Republicans when it comes to winning back a decent share of the Latino vote. And conservatives will be willing to take the deal.

Such was the collective wisdom of Morning Joe today, as enunciated by Jon Meacham and seconded by Joe Scarborough.

View the video here.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: aliens; immigrationreform; jonmeacham; limbaugh; marcorubio; rubio; rushlimbaugh; treason
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1 posted on 01/30/2013 5:57:52 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: netmilsmom; Behind Liberal Lines; Miss Marple; an amused spectator; Diogenesis; MEG33; PGalt; ...

Is the fix in? Ping to Today show list.


3 posted on 01/30/2013 5:59:32 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (FReepmail or ping me to be put on my ping list for criticism of liberal media)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I don’t trust Rubio.


4 posted on 01/30/2013 6:03:31 AM PST by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Hey Rush, you forgot to tell us when to panic.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

First, I believe Rubio is sincere.

My question is what happens when the plan is approved to secure the border, before anybody is placed on “the path to citizenship”?

Obama ignores the border security, but initiates “the path”.

How do we stop him?


5 posted on 01/30/2013 6:05:16 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Even if the “language is included,” it doesn’t mean they’ll actually do it.


6 posted on 01/30/2013 6:05:31 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I believe the GOP will shut up, roll over, and that will be that. The Dems continue continue to rub our noses in their steaming pile. If we give everyone a work visa (amnesty), then we won’t need border security. Why pretend. Swallow.


7 posted on 01/30/2013 6:09:08 AM PST by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
But, if his 'tough words' about border enforcement first is dependant upon Obama's word the border is secure, they are meaningless and Rubio is just trying to satisfy his conservative base.
8 posted on 01/30/2013 6:13:45 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Trailerpark Badass

The base has been played for suckers since 2004. Tell us something we don’t know, Morning Joe.


9 posted on 01/30/2013 6:18:40 AM PST by Memphis Moe
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To: skeeter

Rubio is playing the game.

He isn’t stupid, he knows the borders will remain open.

In another ten years we will be doing the same thing we are doing now. Voting to close the borders and make eveyone already here a citizen.

Screw Rubio.


10 posted on 01/30/2013 6:19:08 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Venturer

If Rubio is even perceived as a threat to the Communist machine at work, he will be destroyed like a bug. If you don’t believe me, just remember back to all the candidates during the last election. The lamestream media will assist in any character assassination.


11 posted on 01/30/2013 6:26:24 AM PST by toolman1401
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

On this so called “issue” there are two camps. Those who support demographic warfare against America and its melting pot, and those who do not support demographic warfare against America BUT WHO DO NOT WANT AMERICA TO BECOME A CULTURAL MOSAIC, without a melting pot.

This fight is not just about immigration, it is about retaining our melting pot model, or succumbing to Balkanization of the People into a society that can be divided and conquered aliong racial/ethnic grounds, by a tyrannical government created by Obama..

Now the left says that the cultural balkanization of America is a done deal, unavoidable. THAT IS NOT CORRECT.Collin Powell went on Fox and said it was a done deal. NO IT IS NOT.

The melting pot vs. cultural mosaic format must be debated directly in Congress so that the people WILL know the issue: IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE A PATRIOTIC AMERICAN, LOYAL TO THE CONSTITUTION AND TO THE REPUBLIC, THEN LEAVE THIS PLACE, you have no business here and neither does reconquista.

WE MUST RETURN to the melting pot model, and if people want to keep theior ancestral culture, let them do so freely and privately at home in their own places and privately funded institutions. BUT ABOVE ALL, EACH CITIZEN must be an American, despite the obvious fact that OUR SO CALLED PRESIDENT IS NOT.

Preserve melting pot America, do not abandon it in a cheap blow to our Republic designed to wage demographic warfare on the majority of America, which just happens to be occidental,and shamelessly caucasian.

Rubio has fallen for the idea that melting pot America is at an end. That’s his weakness, and the weakness of this newest sell out Ganag of Four.

And the border MUST be secured at all costs, and if the feds will not do it, then the states will.


12 posted on 01/30/2013 6:29:19 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

LOL. Like we need to believe Joe the Traitor and his Obama sycophants.


13 posted on 01/30/2013 6:31:15 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

You’d be better off ignoring Morning Jo(k)e.


14 posted on 01/30/2013 6:36:59 AM PST by fractionated
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To: governsleastgovernsbest; All
Stop amnesty now . THAT is the biggest battle call your congressmen, twitter them , email them ,protest on the street. it's now or never people

Rubio is an idiot on this issue. NO Amnesty for these illegal maggots. The 30 million Amnestied will bring an additional 100 million in from their homelands, their family members etc. . Because citizens can do that. And they will NEVER vote Republican . this is just an plan to get tens of millions of new democrat voters ,more voters for socialism. you cannot convince someone to change from an illiterate ant-American socialist ( try arguing with a liberal for example.)

Stop amnesty now . THAT is the biggest battle call your congressmen, twitter them , email them ,protest on the street. it's now or never people

30 million new mexican, zomali etc. maggots with their new American citizenship which they illegally invaded to obtain with the help of democrats , these 30 million new will import 100 million of their relatives from their dirty homelands to further destroy America

15 posted on 01/30/2013 6:41:56 AM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Don’t throw Rubio under the bus yet.


16 posted on 01/30/2013 6:42:37 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: popdonnelly

I agree but only as part of a grand coalition.

The Rubio wing, and other progressive conservatives, do have something to add to the party.

Our problem is they have been running the party since around Bush the first.

They need to be a partner, and frankly a junior partner, with conservatives.

Re-build conservatism. Re-build Americanism.

Now.


17 posted on 01/30/2013 6:47:20 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: popdonnelly
After amnesty 30 million illegals will be able with their new citizenship to bring in 100 million of their relatives from their dirty socialist homelands. That will destroy America. Amnesty has to be stopped and this Rubio is wrong on this issue. he can jump in the lake. Additionally an Amnesty will attract another 100 million illegals cause they know many illegal jobs will open up because the new citizens don't have to do the illegal jobs as they will take Americns'jobs as if there are any jobs at all .
18 posted on 01/30/2013 6:49:21 AM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
...no immigration deal being done unless certain language on border security, etc. is included?

All the "certain language" in the world is not going to do a thing for border security until a WALL is in place, backed by mines and troops.

19 posted on 01/30/2013 6:55:12 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

You;re known by the company you keep,...right Joe???? By the way, do you think Lori can now become a naturalized citizen??? Oh yeah, I forgot. She’s dead!


20 posted on 01/30/2013 6:56:11 AM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest; Liz; AuntB; Tennessee Nana; 9YearLurker; CitizenUSA; Red Steel; ...
RE :" Morning Joe: 'Ignore' Rubio's Remarks To Rush—Just Taking Care of Base, Saving Face ,"

Big joke at MSNBC is how Rubio must play up us stupid conservatives by making believe he and Obama disagree, when they all (MSNBC) admit that they both have the same plan.

Rubios blowing the dog whistle :”’Woof, woof’”

Rubio :
I wont accept a deal without ...bla-bla-bla, so the President needs to bla-bla-bla

Stupid Republican :
““ That Darn Obama doesnt want to protect the borders. Thanks goodness we have Rubia to stand up to him

21 posted on 01/30/2013 7:05:31 AM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to Dems and Obama is not a principle! Its just losing.)
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To: Democrat_media

“After amnesty 30 million illegals will be able with their new citizenship to bring in 100 million of their relatives from their dirty socialist homelands. That will destroy America. Amnesty has to be stopped and this Rubio is wrong on this issue. he can jump in the lake. Additionally an Amnesty will attract another 100 million illegals cause they know many illegal jobs will open up because the new citizens don’t have to do the illegal jobs as they will take Americns’jobs as if there are any jobs at all . “

I second the motion! Nuff said!


22 posted on 01/30/2013 7:06:03 AM PST by Syntyr (Happiness is two at low eight!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Rush was giddy after that interview.

The trouble is, Rubio is either so naive that he doesn’t realize the others in the ‘gang’ are playing him like a fiddle, or he is in on the dipsy-doodle shellgame administrationS [plural, includes Dem and Pubbie] and Congress [includes Dem and Pubbie] have been playing for decades.

The problem with Rubio’s proposal is the same with every proposal/bill since the 1965 — border security enforcement is included, but enforcement is not made mandatory. Any ‘measure’ of determining border security is subjective and left up to — politicians.

Rubio basically said he ‘hoped Obama would enforce border security’ if this new bill is made law.

Ironically, Obama was in Las Vegas about the same time making an immigration speech, and he basically said current enforcement is adequate.


23 posted on 01/30/2013 7:06:22 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
What is the point of new bills and regulation if they won't enforce the current laws and secure the border now?

Secondly, how would importing millions of less educated persons help our economy and nation?

The list is endless, and yet people still trust these politicians? Especially someone like Rubio, who comes from the Bush wing of the GOP. Hahahahahaha.

Our country is sol.

24 posted on 01/30/2013 7:10:06 AM PST by Theoria
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To: popdonnelly
Don’t throw Rubio under the bus yet.

You're right. It's called VERIFY BEFORE YOU TRUST. Not the other way around.

25 posted on 01/30/2013 7:10:47 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I agree. Rush was played. Like a fiddle.


26 posted on 01/30/2013 7:13:11 AM PST by Cyman
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Singling Rubio out this week is fair but the fact is a number of Tea Party-elected Repubs have already sold us down the river on one issue or another.

This whole idea of constitutional conservatives “taking control of the Republican Party” is a pipe dream. But don’t tell Rush or Levin, they just don’t want to hear it.


27 posted on 01/30/2013 7:14:00 AM PST by PaleoBob
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To: popdonnelly
Don’t throw Rubio under the bus yet.

If these politicians worked as hard to represent their own constituents as they are working to aid 'foreigners', the entire Nation would be better off.

Why the continuous push to bring in millions of illegals? Most constituencies do not benefit from them; rather, those influxes cost massive amounts in supplemental benefits and aid.
28 posted on 01/30/2013 7:14:19 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: toolman1401

I think he is destroying himself with this amnesty crap.


29 posted on 01/30/2013 7:14:36 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Syntyr; All

Stop amnesty now . THAT is the biggest battle call your congressmen, twitter them , email them ,protest on the street. it’s now or never people

http://www.gop.gov/republicans/twitter


30 posted on 01/30/2013 7:17:02 AM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: fractionated; governsleastgovernsbest; SoFloFreeper; G Larry; Venturer; Democrat_media; Syntyr
RE :”You’d be better off ignoring Morning Jo(k)e.”

I disagree. Over at Dem channel Rubio is a hero and they are all laughing about how Rub is pushing the same plan as O (millions of new Dem party voters) by blowing this dog whistle to get the R party dummies to fall in line.

The R party channel FNC is not reporting on Rubio back-stabbing.

Rubio :
I wont accept a deal without ...bla-bla-bla, so the President needs to bla-bla-bla

Stupid Republican :
““ That Darn Obama doesnt want to protect the borders. Thanks goodness we have Rubia to stand up to him

Take out the gubment freebies and the vote from the deal and then see how many sign up to be 'legal'

31 posted on 01/30/2013 7:17:54 AM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to Dems and Obama is not a principle! Its just losing.)
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To: JimRed

What's your beef????

McCain said he would "build the fence."

Napolitano told us it was built.


[/s]

Would they lie???????
32 posted on 01/30/2013 7:20:32 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Rubio has the best plan so far. Many idiots are still hung on no answers but just like to talk. Some have the idea to run a few hundred thousands of empty cattle car into all of America and load them up for a fast trip to Mexico. What stupidity. They are here and here to stay. So far Rubio has the only real plan that just might work. The same as@ holes that do not understand the complex problem will never figure it out but just complain. Perfect example, why in the hell does anyone think why we have King Obama!
33 posted on 01/30/2013 7:21:01 AM PST by Logical me
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To: Theoria

Sen. Sessions was on Mark Levin's radio program yesterday. Sessions was livid about that. He said basically the same thing -- if they really wanted border security, they could accomplish that with existing laws. They don't enforce existing ones, so what is a new law going to accomplish?


34 posted on 01/30/2013 7:23:50 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Democrat_media

Oh go take your meds, it’s not 30 million, it’s probably a third of that, maybe a tad more...and they don’t have 100 million lined up to join them either. Besides, I’m more worried about 60 million natural born citizens who HATE AMERICA AS FOUNDED than I am anything else. They are a much bigger threat.

This problem is not helped by distorting reality.


35 posted on 01/30/2013 7:24:00 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Logical me

Good points. Something is going to get done, whether we like it or not. There will be NO deportation of current illegals. Zero. None. Zip.

As far as Plan B’s go, this one is about the best that can occur. The major flaw in it is painfully obvious.

It requires illegals to essentially turn themselves in. Who thinks this will really happen?


36 posted on 01/30/2013 7:27:14 AM PST by martiangohome
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

But you do trust that arrogant pos occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave


37 posted on 01/30/2013 7:31:42 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: G Larry

Bump


38 posted on 01/30/2013 7:33:22 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Memphis Moe

“The base has been played for suckers since 2004. Tell us something we don’t know, Morning Joe.”

Before 2004, Reagan was hood-winked by Tip O’Neil, thought he was making a deal between two old Irishmen and he (Reagan) thought his (O’Neil) word was good. Well, Reagan soon found out that Tip was lying and had no intention of keeping his word and he didn’t. The old proverb “fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me” should be remembered as the Democrats will lie again and will not keep any promises made about border security. So, I say, secure our border first and then we can talk about the other stuff. End of subject.....


39 posted on 01/30/2013 7:36:13 AM PST by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: popdonnelly
Don’t throw Rubio under the bus yet.

I wish I could hope Rubio had something clever up his sleeve to thwart Obama's plan to globalize the American people, but according to past statements he's made about the GOP base I'm afraid I don't believe it.

Rubio's another GOPe type who believes his career will benefit from an Amnesty deal and he's striking while the iron is hot.

40 posted on 01/30/2013 7:39:01 AM PST by skeeter
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To: martiangohome

I agree- I would like it wrote in the bill that they have a means to suport themselves financially, a relative signs a form saying they will support them, and they are not entitled to GOVERNMENT BENEFITS. No SSI, NO SSDI.....


41 posted on 01/30/2013 7:40:51 AM PST by Engedi
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To: Logical me

You could use a new screen name.


42 posted on 01/30/2013 7:42:28 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Logical me; governsleastgovernsbest; martiangohome; C. Edmund Wright; AuntB; Liz; Kaslin; ...
RE :”Rubio has the best plan so far. Many...”

Its the same plan as Obama’s : millions of new Dem party voters,

You know what Rubio told Rush??
That he expects them to open businesses and then ‘realize the cost of government’ (in the negative) suggesting that they would actually support upper end tax cuts over gub handouts when voting.

This is preposterous and dishonest. If Rub and Mccain get their Obama bill we will hear even more endless lectures (just like w Joe now) on how the R party must move to center to appeal to those new 'Hispanic' voters,

Take out the gov freebees and voting and see how many apply.

43 posted on 01/30/2013 7:46:26 AM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to Dems and Obama is not a principle! Its just losing.)
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To: sickoflibs
How about the part where Marco claims under his plan the illegals will have to pay back taxes? Illegals seeking a greencard will line up to report past wages?

Who buys that load of crap?

44 posted on 01/30/2013 7:51:32 AM PST by skeeter
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Amnesty will be the final bullet-in-the-head to the country. Obama/Holder/Napolitano will ensure there will be no enforcement of border security, and the liberal courts will overturn any restrictions and rule that the illegals will be entitled to all forms of welfare and voting. A wave of 25 million new Dem votes. Texas will become a blue-state, and America permanently becomes a one-party nation. It will render every political issue, every election moot. I consider anyone for this a damned traitor.


45 posted on 01/30/2013 7:56:24 AM PST by greene66
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To: skeeter
RE :”How about the part where Marco claims under his plan the illegals will have to pay back taxes? Illegals seeking a greencard will line up to report past wages?
Who buys that load of crap? “

Well since 99% will be in that bottom 47% of voters (increasing it to 53% eventually) I assume that means they file for their accumulated tax credit $$$ that the Feds pay them for all the years they were living here illegally, that is what they mean by 'pay their taxes'

A real plan would demand that they pay a certain level of taxes say like a single does who earns 60K per year with no deductions (and earn the income at those levels) for say 5 years or no permanent green card..

Who needs more cleaning ladies getting food stamps and EITC and medicaid?

46 posted on 01/30/2013 8:00:54 AM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to Dems and Obama is not a principle! Its just losing.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

You go take your meds.

This city here is overrun by your foreign idiots , muslims, mexicans, somlis, Haitians, bosnians, from 20 latin American countries, MEXICO etc.

this is a massive invasion invited by your democrats and Obama


47 posted on 01/30/2013 8:23:11 AM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

You go take your meds.

This city here is overrun by your foreign idiots , muslims, mexicans, somlis, Haitians, bosnians, from 20 latin American countries, MEXICO, Africans, etc.

this is a massive invasion invited by your democrats and Obama

Your Amnesty will only make that much worse

millions of illegal jobs will open up

Chain immigration will allow the Amnestied to bring in their relatives and their relatives and so on

you are the problem


48 posted on 01/30/2013 8:25:37 AM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Marco Rubio (R-Latinos)

He’s a Jeb Bush protege. Front man for the treason lobby.

Deportation No, Amnesty Si!

If you want to fully convert the United States into just one more Latin American country then Rubio is your guy.

California has already made the change, you get to be next.

Press 2 for English.


49 posted on 01/30/2013 8:31:13 AM PST by Pelham (Treason, it's not just for Democrats anymore.)
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To: TomGuy

“Rush was giddy after that interview.”

Memories of how Rush played waterboy for Dubya.


50 posted on 01/30/2013 8:38:02 AM PST by Pelham (Treason, it's not just for Democrats anymore.)
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