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Army leaders vow 'gender-neutral' standards for women in combat
al.com ^ | January 29, 2013 | Leada Gore

Posted on 01/29/2013 7:38:09 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

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To: USAF80

Having ‘really good aim’ is a quality I would expect to find in soldiers.


61 posted on 01/30/2013 9:18:33 AM PST by tbpiper
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To: Tailgunner Joe

This stupid change of policy might just effectively end women in the Army and Marine Corps. To have gender neutral standards, the General probably means physical fitness standards for woman volunteering for infantry duty; however, if they actually do this, how can they still have different standards for women and men in non-infantry fields? They can’t. Many women will not join under these changes and many more women will be physically broken. Only a small fraction of currently serving women would be able to meet minimum male pt standards. Only a handful could make it through infantry training or last very long in that job if they do make it through training.


62 posted on 01/30/2013 12:16:32 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: USAF80

Really, that bites.


63 posted on 01/30/2013 12:53:50 PM PST by Morpheus2009
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To: USAF80

Really, that bites.


64 posted on 01/30/2013 12:54:02 PM PST by Morpheus2009
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To: 3Fingas

Based on what my Army buddies have told me, everyone is infantry. Your tank is diabled, infantry. Helicopter down, infantry. I would think that you would still have to have some type of skill to make it back to your own lines.

Based on that theory the standards are already dumbed down. Didn’t the convoy with that Jessica gal get lost and then cut off?


65 posted on 01/30/2013 1:13:26 PM PST by USAF80
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To: Tailgunner Joe

And the reason we are speaking gibberish and acting like fools is.....?????


66 posted on 01/30/2013 1:20:50 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: USAF80

That is certainly true in a combat zone. In Iraq and Afghanistan, being in motor transport, supposedly a non-combatant mos, was one of the more dangerous activities to be involved in. IEDs and ambushes of convoys are very common and woman have been in harm’s way. I don’t believe woman should be put in this position and I certainly don’t think women should be in the combat arms. There are certainly a handful of women of could do the job, but for a whole laundry list of reasons not related to the physical demands of the job, it would be very stupid to make this policy change. The idea is so dumb it barely warrants any discussion. The people in charge are criminally stupid, IMHO.


67 posted on 01/30/2013 1:35:14 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: 3Fingas; Tailgunner Joe

I read an article (I don’t think it was here but maybe?) in which Dempsey was quoted as saying something like “If women can’t pass the standards then the standards may be too high”.

So maybe they’ll just lower all the standards.

After all, the goal is to destroy the military.


68 posted on 01/30/2013 3:40:28 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
Is this a joke?

Nope. He's completely serious. Welcome to 21st Century Army leadership.

69 posted on 01/30/2013 3:44:46 PM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Calamari
Can the women candidates throw a hand grenade far enough to not be killed or wounded by the grenade?

All Army Basic Trainees throw 2 grenades, men and women. Let's try to do this better, please.

70 posted on 01/30/2013 3:51:21 PM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: little jeremiah

This is what CMR had to say.

http://www.cmrlink.org/content/home/36488/seven_reasons_why_women_in_combat_diversity_will_degrade_tough_training_standards


71 posted on 01/30/2013 4:10:03 PM PST by USAF80
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To: little jeremiah

Really, I think that was their goal. Infiltrate and subvert. Destroy from within. When I was a kid, these leftists were the same people that spat on my father when he returned from Vietnam (Boy, that was the wrong move for sure with him!). Anyhow, now they pretend to love the military. They are full of it. They may have even convinced themselves that they have only good intentions. It’s just self-delusion on their part. The enmity is still there and now they have the power to destroy our country’s institutions. They are doing so even if they are not aware of it.


72 posted on 01/30/2013 4:16:20 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Age of Reason
Every great empire becomes a victim of its own success. Spoiled by luxury, the population becomes soft in body and mind, while believing itself enlightened when it is really deluded. Just examine history: it’s the same pattern every time.

Yep. Bears repeating in words, 'cause empires have done it often enough.

73 posted on 01/30/2013 4:55:30 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
It's no joke. It is yet another divisive tactic from Odingo, designed to sow dischord in the ranks, fragment the services, and to alienate the troops from their own command.

Remember he and his handlers are masters at sowing the seeds of destruction. In true Communist style, he billed himself as a "unifier", just as he said his administration would be the most "transparent". He isn't, it isn't--quite the opposite.

Well, I think we can see through the latest attempt to destroy the nation, just as we can see he is an enemy of the Republic. That he was able to bamboozle so many into believing he was re-elected (Come on, Romney was not the candidate to inspire, but Obama was--one to inspire people to vote against him--do you believe Republican voter turnout was THAT low?) was bad enough, but to think that there are not those in the flag ranks who can see what is being done to their country is insane.

I think Obama is trying to smoke out the opposition to eliminate them before he tries his anti-Constitutional dictatorial coup. If he can eliminate the oath-keepers from the higher ranks, he might be able to pull it off. If he can't convert or at least neuter the military, he doesn't have a chance.

74 posted on 01/30/2013 5:12:21 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe; Red Steel

I have always found that Khaldun expresses the rise and fall of a people best:

“A victorious people settles down after victory to enjoy its new conquest, whether new lands they have expanded into, or a new regime that has taken over the existing land.

“They grow in complexity of social relations and authority is concentrated and institutionalized to maintain order.

“With order comes growth in wealth and education. Science, philosophy and arts grow. Cities grow as rural life diminishes. Urbanization and widespread comfort mark the beginnings of decay.

“The enriched society comes to love pleasure, luxury, and ease, over work, risk, and martial strength. Religion weakens, morals become confused and deteriorates, pederasty and homosexualaity and other abnormal practices grow. Foreigners are brought in and used for the work. These lack natural patriotism to assist and defend the ideals of the society that are now nebulous and weakened.

“The troubled society invites conquest, whether from without, or by revolution or intrigue from within. The cycle begins again at phase one.”

Tell me that’s not us.


75 posted on 01/30/2013 5:30:53 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: Future Snake Eater

Yes sir I threw my two at Ft. Dix in 1967. Threw them and took cover behind the grenade pit wall after throwing each one. You can throw them and survive on the grenade range even if the throw is short. My question is how far can an average female soldier throw the grenade. Only place I’ve seen a grenade pit is on a grenade range. A short throw with out that protection can be fatal.

As far as the snake eating I would suggest making a chili and simmering it for a while.I’ve got a good one that works well for venison, pork or beef. Probably would work for snake. Will send it if you want it.

All kidding aside Thank you for your service and the deployments you were sent on. Best wishes on your career and stay safe.


76 posted on 01/30/2013 5:31:39 PM PST by Calamari (Pass enough laws and everyone is guilty of something.)
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