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Register … or Rebel: How Many New Yorkers Will Defy The New Gun Law?
Pajamas Media ^ | 01/28/2013 | Bob Owens

Posted on 01/28/2013 9:55:48 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Already, there are signs that Governor Cuomo and his allies underestimated the pushback.

As draconian, ill-advised, and possibly unconstitutional as the New York Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement (NY SAFE) anti-gun law was when it was hastily signed into law, it might have been far worse — this according to a New York legislator who fought against the bill.

Assemblyman Steve McLaughlin has released documentation showing rejected Democratic proposals for the NY SAFE Act. They included these:

There were more.

Assemblyman McLaughlin explained the intent of his Democrat colleagues in Albany on his campaign site:

Assemblyman Steve McLaughlin (R, C, I-Melrose) today revealed a 15-point anti-Second Amendment wish list that Democrats lobbied to be included in the final New York Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement (NY SAFE) Act. McLaughlin called the list the “second phase” of a gun-grab agenda targeting responsible firearm owners that downstate politicians have been supporting for years.

“First the new gun-control bill made criminals out of law-abiding New Yorkers. And the radical, anti-Second Amendment proposals outlined in this wish list suggest the second phase of the plan: confiscation,” said McLaughlin. “When downstate politicians criminalize responsible gun ownership, they only empower criminals.”

The rejected proposals seem to mirror — at least in part — the desires of New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, who had publicly entertained gun confiscation and forced buybacks.

The provisions of the NY SAFE Act that did become law still demand far more of New Yorkers than many gun owners are willing to comply with. For example, one of the requirements of the law is that all newly classified “assault weapons” must be registered with the New York State Police by April 15, 2014. Many New York guns owners are intent on refusing to register their firearms:

Assault-rifle [sic] owners statewide are organizing a mass boycott of Gov. Cuomo’s new law mandating they register their weapons, daring officials to “come and take it away,” The Post has learned.

Gun-range owners and gun-rights advocates are encouraging hundreds of thousands of owners to defy the law, saying it’d be the largest act of civil disobedience in state history.

“I’ve heard from hundreds of people that they’re prepared to defy the law, and that number will be magnified by the thousands, by the tens of thousands, when the registration deadline comes,” said Brian Olesen, president of the American Shooters Supply, one of the largest gun dealers in the state.

Officials estimate at least 1 million semiautomatic rifles are owned in the state, sources said.

And come April 15, 2014 — when Cuomo is expected to be running for re-election — they all have to be registered with the State Police.

But because the rifles have been legal but unregistered until now, authorities don’t know who has them or where they are located.

State officials will be nervously watching the registration figures to see how many gun owners comply, sources said.

New York has estimated that there are one million firearms that fit their new definition of an “assault weapon,” and they are concerned that a large number of citizens will rip the teeth out of the law by simply refusing to register their arms. Perhaps hundreds of thousands of New York’s most law-abiding citizens are likely to make the choice to rebel against an unconstitutional law that violates their Second Amendment rights.

Perhaps of even more concern to Governor Cuomo and his anti-gun allies: this high level of resistance arose before Assemblyman McLaughlin released the list of confiscatory amendments Democrats had wanted to include in the NY SAFE Act.

NY Democrats have tipped their hand on their gun-control agenda, revealing to citizens that confiscatory disarmament of the civilian population is their goal, and that the “slippery slope” is no fable. They grossly miscalculated the public’s acceptance of their assault on the Second Amendment. What that means for the future in New York remains to be seen.

Also see: Obama: Yeah, I Go Shooting ‘All The Time’



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; US: New York
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To: Gaffer; C210N; MeganC

Well, they have indeed ignored those laws.

See posts 34 and 35 by C210N and MeganC respectively for the proper response to illegal laws put forth by the govt.


51 posted on 01/28/2013 11:37:51 AM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: C210N
Gun owners need to set up "sanctuary" cities or counties, and point out to the government that whereas the sanctuary cities for illegals exist because the government doesn't enforce federal law, the Second Amendment sanctuary areas exist in accordance with law re the Second Amendment. Then let them explain how sanctuary is acceptable for lawbreakers, but not for law-abiders.
52 posted on 01/28/2013 11:38:34 AM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Gaffer

Right, but they still cant use the 4473 legally for that. It would have to be infos given at the time of sale (or via owners of existing guns) by the FFL. Bottom line is they arent currently allowed exc for certain cases to access 4473s. Im sure they could find any number of ways around that.


53 posted on 01/28/2013 11:39:08 AM PST by 556x45
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To: MrB

Had a fire back 3-4 years ago at my local Bargain Barn where I’ve been a GOOD customer. I aksed them about if any of my 4473s burned....guy told me they’re mandated to keep the forms in a FIRE PROOF safe and they were all fine....DRAT!


54 posted on 01/28/2013 11:41:02 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: MrB

Yes, they’re paper forms. In some cases FFLs keep them on computers as well. Then there’s the FBI NICS system which is supposed to destroy transactions older then x hrs. I really don’t think this is happening. So thats another sources of infos re gun sales.


55 posted on 01/28/2013 11:44:20 AM PST by 556x45
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To: Gaffer; C210N; MeganC

Well, they have indeed ignored those laws.

See posts 34 and 35 by C210N and MeganC respectively for the proper response to illegal laws put forth by the govt.


56 posted on 01/28/2013 11:45:36 AM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: WildHighlander57

I’d have guessed likely similarly about those who will/won’t comply. It’s a matter of a number of things: exposure, what’s at stake to lose, family, job, business, etc.

This is probably the most direct threat that I’ve seen on this country in my lifetime - by our own compatriots, supposedly.

I’m not saying here in the opening salvos with NY state that so goes the nation, but it could come down to the same kind of sacrifice that our forefathers who signed their names on that document put themselves - lives, fortunes and sacred honor for the rest of the country. I see them nothing more than Hitler’s Nazis, Mussolini’s goose-steppers, or Stalin’s henchmen. They are evil to the bone.


57 posted on 01/28/2013 11:49:24 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: mosesdapoet

One of our liberal chicks at work a few months ago told me one day that “she bet I was one of those rednecks hoarding guns/ammo and food”.

She was set back when I said no just guns and ammo and a little bit of water and day or two worth of food. When she asked why I said because I won’t waste the money on stuff I can take from her as I need it. I told her I will make sure I take everything she and her like mind loser friends have. I smiled and walked away. She hasn’t spoken to me since. Mission accomplished.

I wasn’t lying. I changed my tactic a while back and only store enough to get me a short while until I go on a raid. I know where all my neighbors live that have Nobama or Coexist stickers.


58 posted on 01/28/2013 11:53:22 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: SeekAndFind

If you dunno where it is, you ain`t no hillbilly- you must be one of them thar cityslickers spying on us Patriots here uns.


59 posted on 01/28/2013 12:03:38 PM PST by bunkerhill7 (The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower.)
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To: lurk

The constitution enshrines the notion that the people are the government. The 2nd Amendment states that the right to keep and bear arms “shall not be infringed”. It becomes then easy as to what choices a Christian gun owner should be make.


60 posted on 01/28/2013 12:27:18 PM PST by mdmathis6 ("Barry" Xmas to all and have a rapaciously taxable New Year!)
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To: lurk

Could you lose your salvation for surrendering your gun? How about if you kill someone that is infringing on your ability to defend your home or family? I don’t think so. Although we will be judged, in neither case would we lose our salvation. We always have a choice. My God cares more about motives than actions.


61 posted on 01/28/2013 12:42:06 PM PST by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: 556x45

Form 4473 page 3 section D

Box 26

Manufactuer or Importer

Box 27

Model

Box 28

Serial Number

Box 29

Type ( pistol, rifle, shotgun, etc)

Box 30

Caliber or Gauge


62 posted on 01/28/2013 1:04:39 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Obama has turned America into an aristocracy of the unaccomplished.)
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To: steve86
Romans 13 and 1 Pet. 2 tell the believer to obey government. It's a real dilemma for inerrancy advocates, literalists and Sola Scriptura followers, isn't it.

Just a little food for thought.

The Bible is pretty clear that the believer is not bound to obey the government no matter what. The Bible clearly expects obedience to the government, but also sets due limits upon what a believer can demand from a Christian.,p> Acts 5:29

29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

There is also the famous incident of the tribute money from Mark 12:17 which Jesus declared:

"Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's."

Both of these citations expect that we are to obey the government within certain divinely set limitations. However,The primary question is "What are those divinely established limitations?" That's where things start to get a bit sticky.

The circumstances of governmental ideology has changed quite a bit since since Paul's time so its not always clear if the Pauline admonition holds up. Paul was living in a monarchical system in which the will of the Emperor and magistrates was law. The US is living in a system in which the will of the officials are supposed to follow the law, not be the law. When the command of St. Paul to obey the government was given, there was no such thing as a written Constitution establishing limits to governmental power. Our form of government did not exist in Paul's time, and there were no legal limits on the power of magistrates. The will of men was law back then and oaths of loyalty were taken to the emperor, not to the any principle of government.

However, what if the government itself commanded that there be limits to its power, but then tried to violate those limits? Is the government not bound by to obey law? So does Paul's admonition to obey the governmental require us to obey governmental officials acting outside of the law in violation of the law, or does it require us to obey the authority of the government as created by the Constitution? Do you obey illegal orders to violate the constitution established by the government or do obey the command of the government official? if you obey the constitution rather than the official are you obeying Paul's admonition to obey he government or are you violating it?

Moreover, if you have taken an oath to defend and uphold the Constitution are you not violating that oath to God by obeying the magistrate's order?

The government made a promise to the people via the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution and that was that the government could not infringe on the people's right to keep and bear arms. Many Christians have sworn to uphold that law. If Christians accept the principle that Christians should obey the men in government over the laws, then the Christian is essentially saying that government by Constitution does not exist because the government is allowed by God to do whatever it wants as long as it can get away with it. They would be teaching that Christians believe in the rule of men not in the rule of law.

So what does God want here, does He want us to obey government commands that are obviously illegal to any honest observer? Does He want us to obey the law contrary to the magistrates of the government, does God expect men to keep their oath to uphold the Constitution even if it means disobeying government officials?

These are some complex and tough questions, that all Christians may have to face.

63 posted on 01/28/2013 2:06:56 PM PST by old republic
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To: SeekAndFind

The term rebel signifies an open defiance of the authorities. The rebellion against this unconstitutional law is more likely to take the form of quiet non-compliance.

Lots of boating accidents...


64 posted on 01/28/2013 2:09:28 PM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: mrsmel
The government itself is breaking the law by abridging citizens’ Second Amendment rights.

Any registration requirement or even a background check is an infringement on out Second Amendment rights. Even foe criminals. Anyone who can't be trusted to own and carry arms should not be running around loose.

65 posted on 01/28/2013 2:19:50 PM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: MrB
4473’s are paper are they not? Some incendiary devices could find their way into those filing cabinets, I’d say...

James Wesley, Rawles and I propose more than that:

Coming Soon to Your Neighborhood Gun Store: 4473 Burn Parties?

66 posted on 01/28/2013 2:36:51 PM PST by backwoods-engineer ("Remember: Evil exists because good men don't kill the gov officials committing it." -- K. Hoffmann)
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To: SeekAndFind
most of rural NY that believes in God and never votes for RATS...
67 posted on 01/28/2013 4:20:43 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: lurk

From a purely theological perspective, disregarding the current violatons of constitutional law; that’s not what Romans 13 says anyway. This text is specific to “powers” ... “for there is no power but of God”. If you choose to believe that this government has POWER over the PEOPLE, then you’re actually in the wrong book. You should be reading the charter for this nation, the Constitution, instead. Romans 13 is very clear that this tribute is to be paid “to whom tribute is due”. 1 Peter 2 must be read in context as well; it is specific to submission to your “masters” , which isn’t the way this country is organized.


68 posted on 01/28/2013 4:35:58 PM PST by Hugh the Scot
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To: steve86; lurk; Obadiah
>> It's a real dilemma for inerrancy advocates, literalists and Sola Scriptura followers, isn't it.<<

Not really. Jesus disciples carried swords. And then let’s look at Romans 13.

Romans 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil.

Would you say the this administration falls under “For rulers are not a to terror to good works, but to the evil”?

Yeah, I don’t think so either. So the passage cannot possibly be talking about this administration.

Then let’s look at 1 Peter 2.

1 Peter 2:13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; 14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.

Once again. Is this administration punishing the evildoers and praising those that do well? Yeah, I didn’t think so.

See, there are criteria by which we know that leaders are sent of God. Either look at the whole passage or none of it.

69 posted on 01/28/2013 7:30:45 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

I fully agree with you.


70 posted on 01/28/2013 7:35:19 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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