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Lawmakers to unveil new assault weapons ban
Wa Compost ^ | 1/24/13 | O'Keefe

Posted on 01/24/2013 7:07:19 AM PST by pabianice

Democratic lawmakers plan to formally reintroduce a bill Thursday that would ban military-style assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines, the most ambitious — and politically risky — element of proposals unveiled by President Obama to limit gun violence.

The “Assault Weapons Ban of 2013″ is similar to one passed in 1994 that expired with little protest in 2004. The measure will be unveiled Thursday morning by a slate of Democratic co-sponsors, led by longtime gun control advocates Sen. Dianne Feinstein (Calif.) and Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (N.Y.), who have pushed for the ban before in part because of their personal histories with gun violence.

The bill is a far-reaching attempt to rein in the use of such weapons by prohibiting the sale, transfer and manufacturing of more than 100 specific weapons, including certain semiautomatic rifles, handguns and shotguns that can hold detachable magazines or hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition. Aides said Wednesday that sponsors were still sorting out specific details of the bill to make the package as politically tenable as possible.

But supporters face an uphill climb in a Congress stacked with Republicans and moderate Democrats who support Second Amendment rights and rely on political support from the National Rifle Association and other gun groups to win reelection. Regardless, Feinstein and McCarthy plan to press ahead.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: awb2; banglist; guncontrol; rkba; secondamendment
When these bozos investigate the dangers of mental illness, they need to start with themselves.
1 posted on 01/24/2013 7:07:22 AM PST by pabianice
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To: pabianice
Nothing introduced yet.

2 posted on 01/24/2013 7:15:03 AM PST by grobdriver (Sic semper tyrannis!)
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To: pabianice

This will end badly.


3 posted on 01/24/2013 7:22:16 AM PST by ronnyquest (I spent 20 years in the Army fighting the enemies of freedom only to see marxism elected at home.)
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To: pabianice

If McCarthy’s LATE husband had been armed when Colin Ferguson started shooting on that LIRR train, he might still be alive and that fool of a wife would be home tending to the house instead of trying to disarm all of us.


4 posted on 01/24/2013 7:29:21 AM PST by Dick Bachert (An ARMED society is a POLITE society!)
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To: ronnyquest

Republicans could be pro active and in the House, pass a bill that says the rights of American gun owners will be protected including defense weapons such as the AR 15 and the 30 round clips they came with.


5 posted on 01/24/2013 7:35:56 AM PST by reefdiver
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To: ronnyquest

Republicans could be pro active and in the House, pass a bill that says the rights of American gun owners will be protected including defense weapons such as the AR 15 and the 30 round clips they came with.


6 posted on 01/24/2013 7:35:56 AM PST by reefdiver
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To: pabianice

I just unveiled this to those lawmakers.

7 posted on 01/24/2013 7:38:44 AM PST by RC one (.From My Cold Dead Hands.)
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To: pabianice

Why is it that every time some mental case shoots people, the first reaction of our politicians is to try to take everyone’s guns who DIDN’T commit the crime?

That’s a rhetorical question, because all of the most serious gun-grabbers are extreme liberals, all of whom believe that the government should rule us, rather than have the government serve us...and if we get too uppity about how they’re spending our money or how they’re regulating us to death, then they don’t want to face any resistance when they send their goons to drag us off to jail.


8 posted on 01/24/2013 7:39:44 AM PST by Ancesthntr (Banning guns to prevent crime is like banning cars to prevent drunk driving.)
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To: reefdiver
Republicans could be pro active and in the House, pass a bill that says the rights of American gun owners will be protected including defense weapons such as the AR 15 and the 30 round clips they came with.

I am not comfortable with allowing Congress to define the scope of our rights. A better solution might be to let Congress rule where it has legitimate power - they can define the general militia to be all men and women over the age of 18 who are not felons, and addressing the "well regulated" part, Congress can define the AR-15 or similar platform as the standard weapon for the general militia.

You have the 2nd Amendment right to own any other arm you feel you'd like or need, but you have the duty to keep an AR as part of the general militia.

9 posted on 01/24/2013 7:43:24 AM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: pabianice

Of course we all agree the insane should not have access to firearms.

But this is a Trojan horse.

Once the government can deny firearms ownership based upon this loosely defined term “mental illness,” how easy will it be for the government to deem as dangerously paranoid (mentally ill) anyone who does not trust the government and who vocalizes support for the 2nd Amendment as a means of preventing tyranny in government?


10 posted on 01/24/2013 7:53:01 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: Ancesthntr

The analogy is that of MADD trying to prevent drunk driving by making it difficult or impossible for sober drivers to purchase automobiles.


11 posted on 01/24/2013 7:56:09 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: pabianice
The “Assault Weapons Ban of 2013″ is similar to one passed in 1994 that expired with little protest in 2004

Obviously analytical skills are not this guy's forte.

12 posted on 01/24/2013 7:57:14 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Bathhouse Barry wants YOU to bend over for another four years)
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To: pabianice
Sen. Joe Manchin ('Rat, WV) puked up the following:

Manchin Statement on White House Mass Violence Proposals

Washington, D.C. – U.S. Senator Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) issued the following statement today in response to the White House proposals on mass violence:

“I appreciate the work that went into the President’s recommendations. I have not had a chance to review them yet, because I have been meeting with West Virginians today to discuss school safety and the culture of mass violence that has permeated our society today. I will weigh each recommendation carefully.

“However, I am disappointed that the President did not recommend the creation of the national commission on mass violence that I have proposed. A national commission can build the consensus we need for real action backed not only by gun control advocates, mental health experts and entertainment industry executives but also by law-abiding gun owners who fully understand the history and heritage of firearms in America. Violence destroys the dignity, hopes and lives of millions of Americans, and we have a unique opportunity to stop this epidemic – but only if we can put politics aside and have an honest and effective conversation about what to do about our culture of mass violence.”

Soooooo ...

This NRA endorsed, "A+" rated individual wants "real action backed by gun control advocates", eh? There's some real pro-gun leadership, there. That's a real Voice for Freedom in Washington. That's quite the dedicated defender of the Second Amendment. Right???

Bullcrap!!!!

Hey, Joe! How about we not pass any new gun controls at all? Law-abiding gun owners who fully understand the history and heritage of firearms in America will not accept any gun bans, any restrictions on our Right to Keep and Bear Arms, any infringements on our ability to defend ourselves against criminals and tyrants.

In fact, that's the wrong discussion!

Instead, let's start REPEALING gun bans. Start with the idiotic, misguided, and misnamed "Gun Free School Zones Act". Show some real leadership, Joe. Repeal it. For the children.

Because, Joe, if letting teachers actually defend their students saves even one life, it's worth it.

Right?

Joe?

13 posted on 01/24/2013 8:01:52 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: pabianice

It is easy to BAN something.(Soda, Guns, High Capacity Magazines, Ammo)
Enforcement is the Big Problem (remember Probation?) Will we end up with Boot Leg Guns & Ammo??

Will the Fed’s come and break down our doors, shoot our Dogs, Search & Seize our papers, computers, Guns, Ammo, Bibles & books all without a lawful warrant?

Then what? Will they come for you & your Wife and Kids?
Will they make you get on the Train for a ride to the work camp after they have taken ALL of your Money, Car, House and everything you have worked so very hard to get.

When will we wake up and Draw the line in the Sand and say No more, you will not pass this line. They will not break the 2nd Amendment, they will NOT TAKE MY GUNs.

Molon Labe


14 posted on 01/24/2013 8:03:28 AM PST by EXCH54FE (Hurricane 416)
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To: RC one

15 posted on 01/24/2013 8:04:28 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: VeniVidiVici
The “Assault Weapons Ban of 2013″ is similar to one passed in 1994 that expired with little protest in 2004

Obviously analytical skills are not this guy's forte.

I don't recall much protest of its expiration in 2004 ... I and many others protested it for years before it was passed at X-42's urging in 1994.

16 posted on 01/24/2013 8:05:02 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

I’m seriously thinking about starting my own focus group of DAMM (Drunks Against Mad Mothers). Heck, let’s open up #18 again. A breath-alyzer in every car. Just in case you had a beer. Or you had a case of beer. How about we nail all windows shut above the first floor to prevent falls out of them? How about no tire pressure above 10psi to prevent injury from “exploding” tires? Sadly we can’t legislate away stupid.


17 posted on 01/24/2013 8:17:42 AM PST by rktman (Live the oath you took or get out of office!)
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To: grobdriver

Breaking on Fox now. All the losers in one place. Where is a drone when you need one ?


18 posted on 01/24/2013 8:18:16 AM PST by Renegade
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To: Travis McGee; RC one

My fear, as I posted on another thread is of Panetta’s putting female personnel in combat. A judeo/christian country is taught to protect, not shoot, young girls and if they are the combat military troops coming for your guns - well hesitation can be deadly.


19 posted on 01/24/2013 8:18:35 AM PST by Kalam (<: The answer is 42 :>)
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To: pabianice

I feel that the end of the communists in the Democratic Party is about to end. So goes the corruption we have in Government. The Republicans should take note that there are millions of Americans that are getting real tired of this control over our lives. Guns will prevail, one way or another. Washington better wise up and damn quick.


20 posted on 01/24/2013 8:22:42 AM PST by Logical me
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To: Ancesthntr

> Why is it that every time some mental case shoots people, the first reaction of our politicians is to try to take everyone’s guns who DIDN’T commit the crime?

That’s a rhetorical question, because all of the most serious gun-grabbers are extreme liberals, all of whom believe that the government should rule us, rather than have the government serve us...and if we get too uppity about how they’re spending our money or how they’re regulating us to death, then they don’t want to face any resistance when they send their goons to drag us off to jail.

I can answer this because I’ve been around plenty of people that are of the anti-gun crowd; they all share one trait - They have NEVER fired any firearm. They simply side with the gun control lobby because they are scared of them and they think it is the trend for the more educated and want to be percieved as being more intelligent than YOU. It has NOTHING to do with reality or logic. They are naively stupid and don’t consider the real reason that a tyrant would have for disarming the people. They blindly trust their government and think big Daddy will always have their best interests at heart. Try to get them to tell you what all the Amendments of the Constitution are and they are at a loss for words except for the first two. Ask them about U.S. History and what led to the Constitution and they have no clue.


21 posted on 01/24/2013 8:31:56 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: pabianice
One's right to self defense in our ever more dangerous world should be fairly easy to understand and to make personal and the threat to take that right away by politicians should be easy to understand and to make personal.

How do you make this personal? Easy...

For example, anyone who was smaller growing up, was picked on for being the new kid in school, different for whatever reason (fat, wore glasses, too poor/too rich, wrong race/color, too smart, too stupid, too ugly, too attractive etc.), is female and vulnerable, is a parent or guardian with kid(s) to protect, is older, is living alone, was a victim or robbery and/or assault, rape, etc. will have little trouble coming to a personal understanding of both the fear of becoming a victim and having the right to self protection taken away.

Starting from this reality...

Your enemy is anyone or anything that wishes to cause you and yours harm. Anyone or anything that increases your vulnerability and/or the danger you face is your enemy.

The truth of our world is this: we are one of three types - sheep, sheepdogs and wolves.

Look closely at the world we live in. "Top of the food chain" is an illusion. We are all "food" for something and, with or without self defense, we all are prey in a world of predators.

Our enemy is anyone or anything that makes us sheep and increases the wolves' the advantage.

22 posted on 01/24/2013 8:45:30 AM PST by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
I don't recall much protest of its expiration in 2004 ... I and many others protested it for years before it was passed at X-42's urging in 1994.

Actually I was referring to the fact that he said the expired ban and the soon to be proposed ones are similar. Other than both would not have done anything to prevent Sandy Hook, I think the two bills couldn't be more dissimilar.

23 posted on 01/24/2013 9:04:37 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Bathhouse Barry wants YOU to bend over for another four years)
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To: VeniVidiVici
I think the two bills couldn't be more dissimilar.

I think they're similar the way a pinprick is similar to a sucking chest wound ...

24 posted on 01/24/2013 9:39:18 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: pabianice
When these bozos investigate the dangers of mental illness, they need to start with themselves.

Ain't THAT the truth...

McCarthy . . . has reintroduced the weapons ban every year since it expired.

This is different this time, people are more open to it,” she added."

in·san·i·ty

1. lack of reason or good sense: extreme foolishness, or an act that demonstrates such foolishness

2. psychiatric condition affecting legal circumstances: legal incompetence or irresponsibility that results from a psychiatric disorder

Synonyms: foolishness, irrationality, senselessness, absurdity, folly, recklessness, stupidity, craziness

Ahh, yep, that's a pretty good fit.

25 posted on 01/24/2013 9:39:33 AM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: pabianice
"...supporters face an uphill climb in a Congress stacked with Republicans and moderate Democrats who support Second Amendment rights..."

And that's a bad thing?

It's a sad commentary on the state of our culture to see any journalist formulate a thought such as the one above. It simply drips with reflexive condescension for one of the primary foundational blocks of our country -- the God-given, inalienable right to keep and bear arms.

The writer speaks of congressional reps who support the Constitution as though they're merely a political voting block, lined up in opposition to fellow lawmakers, who simply support a different angle of attack on some arcane and boring issue that is of little consequence to ordinary Americans.

The writer is obviously so thoroughly indoctrinated into the leftist mindset that he's blind to not only our history and the historical underpinnings of our culture, but also any view which runs counter to the Marxist dogma he's been marinating in, his whole life.

We're not even real to such people.

26 posted on 01/24/2013 10:07:28 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

The unusually stupid journalists don’t even know they are part of the marxist’s groug called the ‘useful idiots’.


27 posted on 01/24/2013 10:15:29 AM PST by Kalam (<: The answer is 42 :>)
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To: pabianice

Time to cowboy up and call and write. The first war is with words. Let’s end it there.

My Congressman, Rep. Barrow (D-GA) is on the record as pro-2A and is on record as “will not support any new gun legislation.”

Barrow also voted against the Fiscal Cliff Bill so that makes him more Conservative than most Republicans in the House.

I wrote and called him today anyway. Just to remind him that we are out here.


28 posted on 01/24/2013 10:25:15 AM PST by Noamie
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To: pabianice

The progressives are staging this exactly the way they want.
Take away guns. Use healthcare to send people to prison. Their final step will be the American Holocaust.


29 posted on 01/24/2013 10:27:49 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Children, pets, and slaves get taken care of. Free Men take care of themselves.)
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To: Kalam
The unusually stupid journalists don’t even know they are part of the marxist’s groug called the ‘useful idiots’.

Having been born and raised on that side of the political divide, I can tell you that most liberals have never closely inspected what conservatives believe in, and operate solely on the monolithic dogma they've been steeped in their whole lives.

To them, the liberal view is 'normal'. Conservatism is an extremist, dangerous political stance, which conflicts with common sense and all pro-survival considerations -- because 'everybody' says so.

If most people honestly examined both schools of thought, there'd hardly be any liberals in this country. Such examination would have to occur early in a person's social development for it to make a difference, and as we know, the left has a virtual monopoly on the educational establishment.

That, and the fact that they also control the news media and entertainment industry, virtually locks most Americans into enforced liberal indoctrination for much of their lives. It's a most diabolical trap.

30 posted on 01/24/2013 10:41:18 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: pabianice

Obama extends presidential power in bypassing Congress on gun control
Thursday, January 17, 2013 2:47:33 AM · 18 of 28
mosesdapoet to Innovative

FIRST YOUR MONEY THEN YOUR GUNS
ALL DEMOCRATS ARE
GOD DENIERS AND CONGENITAL LIARS
Conservatives and supporters of the 2nd amendment the Obama regime is using the 2nd amendment argument to blame gun owners for its inability to deal with the hundreds of gangland murders and shootings commited in areas under their solid control using illegally obtained firearms.

Obama’s solution to those inner city problems is to remove those rights provided by the constitution to have and bear arms from all US citizens.
None of those 23 so called “reforms” and unconstitutional efforts being edicted by who some call an emperor do not deal with the following issues briefly outlined below .

They won’t and don’t instead of creating a uniformly democratic society where every citizen has an equal voice no matter what their race or ethnicity.

Obama’s policies have divided races and ethnic groups gerrymandering congressional districts where much of this criminal activity occurs. GOPES {goverment of the people (republican party) elites} see this issue as a 3rd rail because most of it is black on black or illegal vs illegal (Mexican) activity .

GOPES are also afraid to say that policy also increased racial tension which has resited in deaths. But again GOPES accept this because of the influence of mainline socialist media which would be accusing them of “racism” if they dare to question it.

The purpose of all this hype on guns is to keep the right and conservatives focused on what the Demo-Coms describe as issues through their propaganda arm known as the MSM (mainline socialist media) not on the problems created by the “Libs” on their road of good intentions or the socialist/fascists/communists successors to comtrol over todays Democrat party; Which is the cost ,waste, and corruption of his administration which had led to a 16 trillion dollar deficit.

Not one word will address or offer a solution about the hundreds of gangland murders and shootings using illegaly obtained mostly handguns and revolvers .Using code words like “assault rifles” which are really single shot per trigger pull semi automatic rifles, used for small game hunting or target practice. That are legal in every state but made to look like their military counterpart..Called AR’s since Viet Nam and a DOD decision ARs are really medium caliber (22.3) machine guns designed to wound not necessarilly kill which is why they are automatic and fire as many rounds that are in its magazine once the trigger is kept in the pulled position. .They replace quick kill 30 caliber semi automatic (single shot) M-1, Springfield rifles and carbines used during WWII and Korea and approved in most states for use in big game hunting.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2977901/posts NY Post pix of shooter using handgun

Obama certainly can’t critique a system created by his ilk .Ignored in his 23 edicts is that when once caught, perps get set free with lenient sentencing from “liberal” judges or sob sister plea bargain prosecution (which Obama supports for when a Illinois state senator while introducing legislation to sentence any 15 year old as an adult, Obama voted “absent” with others on roll call ) promoted by the MSM,The New York Times CNN, NBC and,ABC. There’s certainly no criticism of “no snitch” mentality partcularly in areas where these shootings are rampant.

It would be nice at these rallys if speakers would point these facts out to Obamas adoring public.


31 posted on 01/24/2013 10:54:46 AM PST by mosesdapoet (Should the "Chicago Mechanic" come out of retirement ?)
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To: Windflier

I agree with you wholeheartedly. Remember, if the 2nd amendment is not safe, none are. As a matter of fact any law that hampers the advancement of their socialist/marxist world view needs to be demolished. These people are evil and I don’t say that flippantly.


32 posted on 01/24/2013 11:14:44 AM PST by Kalam (<: The answer is 42 :>)
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To: Kalam
Remember, if the 2nd amendment is not safe, none are.

The one and only reason that this country bears any resemblance to its former self, is because of the 2nd Amendment.

The left has reduced the American people to near serfdom as it is, through infringements and violations of the Constitution, but without the RKBA, there's no question that we would have become a de facto Communist country by now.

If the left believes that further infringements of our last remaining bulwark against totalitarian Socialism will be tolerated, they're more willfully ignorant than I thought.

This country has been a tinderbox since at least the beginning of the new millenium. We've rarely been so deeply divided as a people in our history. Passions are running so hot on both sides, that it won't take much to spark a real breakdown in the civil order.

A new 'assault weapons' ban just might be the spark that ignites something that the left and the government are powerless to stop. Unfortunately for them, such a conflagration will result in an end to rampant leftism in America, and a full return to the form of government laid down in our Constitution.

33 posted on 01/24/2013 12:32:06 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Kalam
Their intention is to smash and destroy the last citadel of Western Civ, in order to replace it with their socialist utopian nightmare on a global scale.

Nothing less.


34 posted on 01/24/2013 12:50:11 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee; Windflier

It is so obvious for those who have eyes to see. For those who can look at themselves in the mirror, it is as plain as the nose on their face. What saddens me is if these evil folks succeed, with the help of the useful idiots, the useful idiots who deserve their fate will be taking us down along with them.


35 posted on 01/24/2013 1:21:07 PM PST by Kalam (<: The answer is 42 :>)
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