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Sandy Hook: this man helped save six children is now getting harassed for it
Salon ^ | Alex Seitz-Wald

Posted on 01/15/2013 3:50:57 PM PST by Dead Dog

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Connecticut
KEYWORDS: banglist; connecticut; dnctalkingpoints; falseflag; liberalblog; newtown; salondeathwatch; sandyhook
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I've never heard of this guy, or a right wing conspiracy involving him? Didn't y'all send me the memo?

In a time with little additional or non conflicting information on the shooting, this shows up? Seems odd

1 posted on 01/15/2013 3:51:03 PM PST by Dead Dog
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To: Dead Dog

Yes, sadly, there are Sandy Hook truthers on the right. These are the Alex Jones crowd. You don’t have to look far for these conspiracy folks.


2 posted on 01/15/2013 3:55:49 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969

Yep, some are on this site.


3 posted on 01/15/2013 4:07:48 PM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: Dead Dog

Seitz-Wald is a gun-banner.


4 posted on 01/15/2013 4:11:30 PM PST by backwoods-engineer ("Remember: Evil exists because good men don't kill the gov officials committing it." -- K. Hoffmann)
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To: Dead Dog

At the time of the shooting, I read about how this man found six children in his driveway, found out that there had been a shooting, and did all he could to help them. It was a sad and touching story. I know that there are crazy people on the right as well as the left. However, I often feel that the volume and intensity on the right is increased by the opposition. They are going to suppress gun rights any which way they can, and I don’t care if you think I’m also crazy.


5 posted on 01/15/2013 4:11:57 PM PST by Essie
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To: Longbow1969
Yes, sadly, there are Sandy Hook truthers on the right. These are the Alex Jones crowd. You don’t have to look far for these conspiracy folks.

I haven't seen anyone on this site suggest this was a staged, false flag event.

What I have seen is FReepers questioning whether the "let no crisis go to waste" regime that inhabits our Government would have people in place to exploit it.

I also see "FReepers" like you defend the Government at every turn of screwing the American people in the backside.

6 posted on 01/15/2013 4:19:26 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Dead Dog

(Excerpt) Read more at salon.com ...

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No. Not only no, but Hell No.

Not only Hell No, but...


7 posted on 01/15/2013 4:22:37 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Dead Dog

Watch and decide for your self, the man changed his story three different times....you decide.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNfesyWUeZk


8 posted on 01/15/2013 4:24:52 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Dead Dog

A) He’s a member of the Screen Actors Guild

B) Google Nick and Laura Phelps Sexton

Just saying... check it out. It’s just plain weird that two married people are identical to two other married people who are “crisis actors.”


9 posted on 01/15/2013 4:25:27 PM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Dead Dog

I don’t know anybody who would harass this man but I tell you this, if I did I would punch them in the face come what may.


10 posted on 01/15/2013 4:26:15 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Essie
There has been an appreciable amount of skepticism directed at this guy... some think it was rather creepy, the way he injected himself into this.

Wasn't there something similar after Jared Loughner went berserk? Some strange publicity-hound sort of guy who claimed to be one of the wounded?

Yep, I can't recall his name, but they even locked the guy up briefly for a psyche evaluation or something like that. The way these events bring the crazies out of the woodwork, it's hard to know how far to trust this fellow.

11 posted on 01/15/2013 4:28:24 PM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Longbow1969

Sadly, the media and the Democrats have manipulated the details on this tragedy so much that there is plenty to be skeptical about. First we were told by CNN:

“Three weapons were recovered from the school: a semi-automatic .223 Bushmaster found in a car in the school parking lot, and a Glock and a Sig Sauer found with Lanza’s body, a law enforcement official familiar with the investigation said. The weapons were legally purchased by Lanza’s mother, the official said.”

Then it turns out that the weapon found in the trunk was a shotgun. Two weeks later we are told that most of the victims were shot with a Bushmaster AR-15 and not hand guns as originally reported. This is just one example of the conflicting stories coming out of this horrible disaster. Some of the other coverage has been much further out on the fringe. This is the story that the gun grabbers hope will give them the momentum they need to push the constitution aside.

It doesn’t suprise me at all that the story has been badly manipulated and that some who have been following it have become skeptical of the coverage.


12 posted on 01/15/2013 4:29:11 PM PST by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
What I have seen is FReepers questioning whether the "let no crisis go to waste" regime that inhabits our Government would have people in place to exploit it.

Of course the left exploits things like this, they don't make any secret of it. That's not even an argument.

I also see "FReepers" like you defend the Government at every turn of screwing the American people in the backside.

Speaking for myself, I sure as hell do come down on conspiracy theorists. We don't need that loony crap in the conservative movement. When I see truthers I call them out for that sick nonsense. When I see Paulbots spewing "Bankster" conspiracies that sound like something they got from the occutard movement, you're darn right I call that out.

The public isn't going to vote for a movement shot through with loopy conspiracy theorists. Last I checked that Alex Jones craziness isn't really welcome here or on most other serious, reputable conservative sites. As a movement we are responsible for calling out lunacy in our ranks, so you bet that's what I will do.

13 posted on 01/15/2013 4:29:18 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: jwalsh07
Google "gene rosen changes story", watch and then tell me what you think.

It's not made up, not "conspiracy", it's the man in HIS OWN WORDS.

14 posted on 01/15/2013 4:31:48 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Not only that, his ‘performance’ did not pass the gut check. I was horrified that people were saying this, but after researching all the ‘twins’ of relatives who are crisis actors and in the SAME FAMILY (for instance, the brother of Vicki Soto is identical to a nephew of the twin couple of Nick and Laura Phelps.

Check out this video if you dare...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5bUACrMRe8


15 posted on 01/15/2013 4:31:48 PM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

And honestly, I was on FR the other defending the whole “Emilie was with the President.”


16 posted on 01/15/2013 4:33:11 PM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Longbow1969

I used to think like you.


17 posted on 01/15/2013 4:34:54 PM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: Longbow1969
Speaking for myself, I sure as hell do come down on conspiracy theorists.

Benghazi, Fast & Furious?

Are those conspiracy theories too?

You're forgetting Rahm's creed, never let a crisis go to waste?

You defend oabmmies eligibility?

18 posted on 01/15/2013 4:36:51 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

“FEMA Was Running a “Drill” Between 9am and 4pm on December 14th, in Connecticut”
Submitted by zooamerica on Wed, 12/26/2012

http://www.dailypaul.com/267596/fema-was-running-a-drill-between-9am-and-4pm-on-december-14th-in-connecticut

People did die at Sandy Hook. The murders became another set of crimes even while shots were being fired.

“Project Longevity Launched To Combat Gun Violence In Three Connecticut Cities”
November 27, 2012
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/11/27/project-longevity-launched-to-combat-gun-violence-in-three-connecticut-cities/

Holder and Malloy spoke.

There remain a number of unanswered questions to this, Aurora, and other events. This cabal, this coven of destroyers will do anything.


19 posted on 01/15/2013 4:37:18 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

EXACTLY! Benghazi being a ‘conspiracy theory’ isn’t a conspiracy theory, it’s facts that are being ignored! And this massive “SOMETHING HAS TO HAPPEN WITH GUN CONTROL” that is being pushed... well, something here stinks.


20 posted on 01/15/2013 4:39:46 PM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: autumnraine
Just saying... check it out. It’s just plain weird that two married people are identical to two other married people who are “crisis actors.”

They may bear a passing resemblance, but they are by no means identical.

21 posted on 01/15/2013 4:42:55 PM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

Seriously, passing resemblance? Really?


22 posted on 01/15/2013 4:44:53 PM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: fireman15

The media usually get the story wrong, report events incorrectly, etc. If you’ve ever been a part of a story reported on the news, then you’ll know firsthand the reporting is normally shoddy. They often get names wrong, weapon types wrong, suspects wrong, victims wrong, etc. It usually takes weeks or months for the media to get the story straight. Eventually though, the correct details are typically available if you are willing to do a little research. The fact that the media reports and stories are often wrong does not mean there is a conspiracy afoot.

There is no question in my mind the media and the left would like to use this to push through gun control legislation. We have no disagreement there. We are seeing that in action. But that doesn’t mean they made it happen, or created the event, or some other weird conspiracy. Plenty of bad stuff happens anyway, nefarious plots are not necessary to explain awful events and tragedies.

What I don’t agree with is the hints and suggestions from the conspiracy crowd that this is some kind of false flag event, that it didn’t really happen, that government agents perpetrated it, that there are mystery shooters, that some kid was brainwashed by the CIA to do this so Obama could seize our guns, etc. That’s just silly stuff, and we need to be sure that kind of nonsense is not associated with conservatives. We’ll never win elections anywhere if the public associates conspiracy theorists with conservatism.


23 posted on 01/15/2013 4:45:02 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: autumnraine
Hey you, yes I've seen that video.

I agree, there are too many RED flags in this "incident"

Staged, I don't think so, people in the ready to exploit it, definitely.

24 posted on 01/15/2013 4:46:18 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

I think Rosen is a byproduct of a feminized America. I know that Lanza murdered 20 kids. And I know that Obama and his merry band of fascists will exploit those deaths to advance their fascist ways. None of this or your video justifies harassing a weak man with a flair for the dramatic. But thats just me.


25 posted on 01/15/2013 4:52:28 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Las Vegas Ron
Are those conspiracy theories too?

Nope. Those are cover ups. We basically know the stories there. One is a botched operation that was probably designed to further the idea that assault weapons going to Mexico from the US is some big problem. The other, Benghazi, appears to be complete incompetence and an attempted coverup after the fact.

You're forgetting Rahm's creed, never let a crisis go to waste?

Politicians try to take advantage of crisis. You know it's not just Rahm, right? I mean, he may be famous for saying that but its typical politician behavior. Heck, I'd venture to guess most people look to capitalize on a crisis to further an agenda. We don't see it that way because we believe in our ideas, but the effect is the same.

You defend oabmmies eligibility?

Yes, I think the birther stuff is silly conspiracy nonsense that will never, ever amount to anything. I think the reason Mark Levin, Rush, Hannity, etc, avoid that birther stuff like the plague is because they know if it gets associated with conservatism it seriously damages us.

26 posted on 01/15/2013 4:54:28 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: autumnraine

Yes, really. If you actually look at their pictures side-by-side, they are clearly not the same people. Different shaped eyes, nose, mouth, etc.


27 posted on 01/15/2013 4:54:53 PM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Dead Dog

I don’t know what went down at Sandy Hook. Again the media and LE coverage on it is like something out of Alice in Wonderland. The above video I had not seen. Traumatic events do bring out the loonies...but the over-emoting for the camera time and time again? Wouldn’t one be totally exhausted if those were real deep emotions?

Between this guy and the buffoon that was the MExaminer, and media blitz misinformation certainly feeds one’s skeptic tendencies. Mine included.


28 posted on 01/15/2013 4:54:54 PM PST by Ms. Blunt
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To: Dead Dog
he found six little children and a bus driver at the end of the driveway of his home in Newtown, Conn. “We can’t go back to school,” one little boy told Rosen. “Our teacher is dead.”

...and no explanation how 6 children got out of the school during the shooting or how they ended up on a bus parked at his driveway........

Sorry but I just don't trust a 69 year old pet sitter who claims to be a retired psychologist.........

.Any word yet from the bus driver to confirm this story?

29 posted on 01/15/2013 4:55:28 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon or just throw her from the train......)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Speaking of Alex Jones, I saw that he and the Obamaphone lady got together. She’s so mad about the payroll tax increase she’s not voting for Obama in 2016!


30 posted on 01/15/2013 4:56:30 PM PST by Rusty0604
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To: SoldierDad

Ping for later


31 posted on 01/15/2013 4:58:03 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: autumnraine

I’m finding it difficult to have a discussion about the SH narrative anomalies on FR. Flamers are coming out of the woodwork on every thread like this, each and every time.

Salon headlined their story - Sandy Hook: this man helped save six children, is now getting harassed for it.

My question is...how did he save these six children unless shooting was taking place outside of the school? They may have been running, but the official narrative of the moment says that no one was chasing the children. Hence, he did not save them by inviting them into his house. (Pregnant pause to consider this man inviting anybody else’s children into his house.) And his on-camera delivery could use more polishing. Definitely not ready for prime-time.


32 posted on 01/15/2013 4:59:06 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Dead Dog

This is just nuts. This gentleman was on TV. Six children who escaped were sitting in a circle in his driveway. They told him they couldn’t go back to school because their teacher had died. Between he and a bus driver, they were able to reach the kids’frantic parents via their cell phone numbers. He took them inside and made cocoa for them. A sweet grandfather man, who was a retired psychologist. He offered comfort to those little ones until their parents arrived... a dear man put into extraordinary circumstances. He was understandably distraught when he told his story.... I cannot believe the heartlessness of people who would harass him for any reason. He’s a hero, a decent citizen. What has happened to our world???


33 posted on 01/15/2013 5:05:53 PM PST by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: Resettozero

Why is no one asking why these kids ran PAST the fire station where all the other kids were to his house? Why did no one at the fire station stop them?


34 posted on 01/15/2013 5:06:34 PM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Charles Martel; Hot Tabasco
I have no doubt at all that this terrible massacre happened.

That said, a lot about this guy's story doesn't add up. It wouldn't be the first time someone used a disaster to get attention for themselves.

Just one point for instance. The staff locked the school down and demanded ID before they would even let the police in. So how did the kids get out? And if they went out the main entrance and down the road the first structure they would find is the fire station - where emergency responders were mustering. How did they end up past the fire station in a private home driveway?

35 posted on 01/15/2013 5:08:19 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Resettozero

There was one little boy in that first classroom that grabbed a few of his friends and ran when the shooting started. I’m assuming these were those children. They were all from Vicky Soto’s class.

One of the Dad’s said his son ran from a classroom and took some friends with him. The little boy was six. I’m assuming that it was this group of children and that they made their way to this man’s driveway.


36 posted on 01/15/2013 5:10:57 PM PST by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: SueRae
A sweet grandfather man, who was a retired psychologist. He offered comfort to those little ones until their parents arrived... a dear man put into extraordinary circumstances. He was understandably distraught when he told his story.... I cannot believe the heartlessness of people who would harass him for any reason. He’s a hero, a decent citizen. What has happened to our world???

You are correct: that is the way way this story is being told. The point is...not every FReeper accepts this part of the narrative at face value.
37 posted on 01/15/2013 5:11:44 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero

I’m not recommending he be harassed, nor am I willing to endorse the idea that this was a false flag operation, but watching Rosen’s “performance” I can’t help but think something is off-kilter.

He comes across as a drama queen who loves attention and wants to make it all about him. That’s more than a little creepy.

His story doesn’t make sense. Things don’t add up.

His “lines” sound rehearsed. I suppose after he’s told the story multiple times it isn’t surprising that he would use similar phrases, but watching multiple “performances” by him really makes the lines sound rehearsed. Also, I’d expect some modification in his delivery after a while, but with each retelling he had the same overwrought forced weepiness.

I think what strikes me the most is that I would expect some other emotions. If I’d just saved 6 kids lives (not sure that he did, but that’s what people are claiming) from a horrific murder, I would first be shocked, then I’d be angry about the murders of the other children, and then I would be joyful about the 6 I’d saved, and at some point I would probably feel proud that I’d been able to help. None of that from him. Just drama queen weepiness.

I’m not an actor, but I suspect that if I were supposed to act like I was crying over and over for the media, it would come out looking like Rosen. Kind of a fake sounding sad voice, but unable to produce actual tears.

Not saying he’s an actor and this is fake, but I am saying that his “performance” doesn’t ring true.


38 posted on 01/15/2013 5:17:04 PM PST by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: SueRae
I’m assuming these were those children.

Your presumption should be easy to prove. But it isn't delineated that well in the present and continuing narrative. The point is...we don't know.
39 posted on 01/15/2013 5:17:33 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: generally
...his “performance” doesn’t ring true.

Very far south of Sandy Hook, we say...not only does it fail the smell test, it STINKS!
40 posted on 01/15/2013 5:22:43 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: autumnraine

These are the kids that ran from the 2nd classroom where the 2nd teacher and I think four kids were killed. The teacher put some in the closet and others in cupboards and when the shooter came in she lied and said the kids were at some other activity.

He shot her and most of the kids hidden in cupboards bolted. 4 killed, 6 escaped BEFORE any response arrived. They ran like rabbits and ended up in this guys driveway.

He did those kids a solid, taking them in, making cocoa, calling their parents and generally giving them as much normalcy as possible.


41 posted on 01/15/2013 5:25:02 PM PST by Valpal1
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To: Hot Tabasco

If you watch his “performances” he identifies the person with the children as a man in several of them and as a woman in several others. I find this EXTREMELY odd.

I can understand getting details confused. Almost anyone who’s told a story multiple times will embellish it - like the classic fish story where the fish gets bigger with each retelling - but to change a man to a woman or vice versa? Really makes me wonder if such a person existed.


42 posted on 01/15/2013 5:34:06 PM PST by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: Valpal1

Yes, this is part of the narrative that involves “I think” and other suppositions. The mortar of this narrative began to crumble at many places in the first week after the event and since that time, much patching of the story has taken place.

And the explanations are always...sensible.

But why so much defense of this narrative on FR in face of FReepers expressing desire for much more information, not just persuasion. See what I’m saying? A newsjockey doing a stand-up report in front of a location does not constitute evidence of anything other than he/she has a job.


43 posted on 01/15/2013 5:35:37 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero; SueRae

>> I’m assuming these were those children.

> Your presumption should be easy to prove. But it isn’t delineated that well in the present and continuing narrative. The point is...we don’t know.

The point is to not harass a private citizen until you KNOW he’s lying.

Even if he is lying, what’s the deal with all the death threats? It’s crazy, egregiously horrible if the guy is innocent, and it makes those of us with genuine concerns for 2nd amendment rights look like idiotic, paranoid monsters.

For those who can’t stand Salon (and I don’t blame you) here’s the story on Yahoo.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/gene-rosen-sandy-hook-conspiracy-155033813.html


44 posted on 01/15/2013 5:35:53 PM PST by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender! REMEMBER NEDA)
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To: VictoryGal

1. No one on FR is advocating harrassing this man or anyone. It’s a bad, bad idea to do so.

2. I mentioned the headline in Salon but said nothing about my feelings regarding that website.


45 posted on 01/15/2013 5:42:01 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Longbow1969
You twist your self so far in that post your head must hurt from cranial rectum inversion pain.
46 posted on 01/15/2013 5:52:07 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: jwalsh07
None of this or your video justifies harassing a weak man with a flair for the dramatic

I didn't post a video, I wrote that the search would reveal questionable antics.

47 posted on 01/15/2013 5:57:09 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Longbow1969
Nope. Those are cover ups.

Says who, you, you're the arbiter of what is is a cover up or what is a conspiracy?

obama is a marxist plant, communism is taking over this Country, I guess that's a conspiracy too eh?

Never mind, you support it.

48 posted on 01/15/2013 6:03:25 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Dead Dog; Las Vegas Ron; Autumnrain

Here is a interview with a mother who was there on the scene that day and saw the kids running down to Gene Rosen’s house which is by the firehouse:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptbd6qRY358


49 posted on 01/15/2013 6:39:28 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: autumnraine
B) Google Nick and Laura Phelps Sexton Just saying... check it out. It’s just plain weird that two married people are identical to two other married people who are “crisis actors.”

I did and they are not crisis actors and not the same people. And they are also not the parents of the Green girl in the Tucson shooting which the same videomakers allege.

These videomakers are playing you for a fool.

50 posted on 01/15/2013 6:50:35 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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