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Lance Armstrong and the Sociopath’s Dilemma: When Honesty Is No Longer Ethical (Clinton)
ethics alarms ^ | 1-2013

Posted on 01/15/2013 9:37:37 AM PST by doug from upland

Lance Armstrong and the Sociopath’s Dilemma: When Honesty Is No Longer Ethical

Welcome to the club, Lance.

Rose

In 2004, 15 years after he had been banned from baseball after a finding by the Major League Baseball’s Commissioner’s Office that he had violated the games rules against betting on Major League Games, Pete Rose publicly admitted that his denials over that time were all lies. Yes, he had bet on baseball, and he was very, very sorry. Rose’s admission did little to change the verdict in and out of baseball that he was a rogue and a liar. His confession was obviously part of a cynical and calculated strategy to get reinstated in the game, after the strategy of denial and waiting proved ineffective. In addition, Rose needed money, and the confession was part of the hook for his new autobiographical book, which was released at the same time he withdrew his protestations of innocence.

For Pete Rose, honesty was not an ethical value that he respected or returned to in penance after years of straying. It was just another means to an end.

Clinton

In 1998, President Bill Clinton was in the midst of the Monica Lewinsky scandal, denying that he had ever “had sex with that woman.” He called up his old friend, advisor and pollster, Dick Morris, and asked what he should do. Together they decided that Morris ought to take a poll to see what the public’s reaction would be if Clinton retracted his denials and admitted the affair. Morris reported back, after taking such a poll, that while the public would forgive the sexual relationship, anger over the President’s untruthful denials might sink his administration. Clinton decided that honesty would not work to his advantage, and continued to lie.

To Bill Clinton and Morris, honesty was just one of several tactical options to solve a political crisis. If had nothing to do with ethics, or doing the right thing.

Armstrong

It is 2013, and the New York Times reports that Lance Armstrong, now stripped of all his cycling titles, banned from athletic competition worldwide and separated from his commercial sponsors and the cancer charity that bears his name,

“has told associates and antidoping officials that he is considering publicly admitting that he used banned performance-enhancing drugs and blood transfusions during his cycling career, according to several people with direct knowledge of the situation. He would do this, the people said, because he wants to persuade antidoping officials to restore his eligibility so he can resume his athletic career.”

Armstrong, it is clear, is traveling in the well-worn and slimy footsteps of Rose and Clinton, fellow sociopaths to whom conscience, shame, contrition and remorse are alien concepts and for whom atonement and redemption are just games to win, with honesty being an indispensable, if unpleasant, tactic. When one is considering whether or not to be honest and admit what one has long denied based on cold calculations of personal costs and benefits, truth-telling is no longer a matter of ethics, or doing the right thing regardless of consequences. It is merely another weapon, along with lies, manipulation, deceit and posturing, in the arsenal of one of the lifetime predators whose sole goal in life is to prevail and profit over the rest of the trusting suckers who share the Earth with them, and who will do anything, even to the extent of briefly embracing ethical principles, to get what they want.

Should he decide to finally admit what everyone knows and he has long denied, even to the extent of suing those who declared his guilty, Lance Armstrong should be seen as no more ethical or noble than the criminal who pleads guilty in court on the advice of his lawyer, because the evidence is overwhelming, conviction is certain, and confession is the only route to a lighter sentence.

Individuals like Pete Rose, Bill Clinton and Lance Armstrong defile ethical values by their brief embrace of them.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: armstrong; clinton; rose; sociopaths
Like Clinton, Armstrong used money and power and attorneys to destroy those who came forward to tell the truth.
1 posted on 01/15/2013 9:37:45 AM PST by doug from upland
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To: doug from upland

Of course, both Clinton and Armstrong were defended by scumbag attorney Mark Fabiani.


2 posted on 01/15/2013 9:41:09 AM PST by doug from upland (Obama and the leftists - destroying our country one day at a time)
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To: doug from upland

Lance Armstrong is a good example of why no one should ascribe hero status to a sports figure.


3 posted on 01/15/2013 9:44:42 AM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: doug from upland

Excellent piece.


4 posted on 01/15/2013 9:44:55 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: doug from upland
If there were ever any clean cyclists, could they not claim Armstrong stole fame & fortune from them by cheating and sue him for millions?

We now hear Lance wants to start to improve his image by becoming a snitch.

5 posted on 01/15/2013 9:52:33 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: doug from upland

Hola, Amigo!

Power, Money, Influence/Prestige, Celebrity...

There isn’t much difference these days between politicians, Hollywood types and sport hereos...

Lie, cheat, steal, and kill...and yet the unwashed masses worship them and constantly reward their bad behaviour.

As always, stay safe!

LB


6 posted on 01/15/2013 9:53:35 AM PST by LadyBuck (Strangeways, here we come....)
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To: doug from upland

The lie is the weapon used most often by the criminal.


7 posted on 01/15/2013 9:57:00 AM PST by PGalt
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To: doug from upland

Add Stephen Glass to this list.


8 posted on 01/15/2013 10:06:34 AM PST by wideawake
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To: TexasCajun
If there were ever any clean cyclists, could they not claim Armstrong stole fame & fortune from them by cheating and sue him for millions?

That's the rub, isn't it? Are there any "clean" cyclists out there, or is it just a matter of who can avoid detection? And it's not really limited to cycling, either -- PEDs and doping are rampant in almost every sport. At what point is "cheating" just a means of keeping up with everyone else?

9 posted on 01/15/2013 10:09:13 AM PST by kevkrom (If a wise man has an argument with a foolish man, the fool only rages or laughs...)
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To: doug from upland

Armstrong is a militant atheist who blamed God for his cancer and didn’t give Him credit when he was cured.


10 posted on 01/15/2013 10:09:34 AM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: doug from upland

As far as I know Pete Rose never bet against his own team , and never threw a game.

Can anybody prove he did?


11 posted on 01/15/2013 10:15:15 AM PST by Venturer
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To: doug from upland

I noticed that Rose now has a reality show called something like “Hits and Mrs.” —looks pathetic like most of these shows which bring you right inside the house.


12 posted on 01/15/2013 10:16:16 AM PST by supremedoctrine
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To: Venturer

I accept that he never bet against his team. But maybe he should not have violated the rules and lied to everyone for so many years.

Hope I am not misunderstanding your intent, but if you are defending him because he was a great baseball player and you are a fan of his, I guess you will have to give a pass to those who defend scumbag Clinton because they are fans of his.

Cheating scumbags and liars are cheating scumbags and liars in any profession.


13 posted on 01/15/2013 10:21:04 AM PST by doug from upland (Obama and the leftists - destroying our country one day at a time)
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To: fatnotlazy
Famous people are almost guaranteed not to deserve hero status, because the vast majority of famous people have sought out fame as a life goal.

The personality traits of those who deeply desire and pursue fame are, to put it mildly, unattractive.

14 posted on 01/15/2013 10:27:17 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Venturer

It is no less unethical if he did not bet against his own team. He was the coach, calling the shots. He may not have called on a certain player one game when he wasn’t betting to save him for another game the next night when he was betting.

This is especially critical if the player is a relief pitcher. He may not have bet against his team, but he may have tried a bit “harder” to win games that he bet on.


15 posted on 01/15/2013 10:29:20 AM PST by kailbo
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To: Venturer
These considerations are completely beside the point.

They were relevant before he started lying, not after.

16 posted on 01/15/2013 10:29:20 AM PST by wideawake
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To: doug from upland
[Armstrong] ... would do this, the people said, because he wants to persuade antidoping officials to restore his eligibility so he can resume his athletic career.”

He doesn't seriously believe this is going to work, does he? This isn't the average US Low Information Voter he's dealing with here.

17 posted on 01/15/2013 10:58:27 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: doug from upland

Great post - thanks.


18 posted on 01/15/2013 11:12:28 AM PST by GOPJ (Gang members breaking down your door- daughter&wife screaming help- Dems took your gun.Son's dead)
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To: Venturer
As far as I know Pete Rose never bet against his own team , and never threw a game.

Can anybody prove he did?

Since he lied about betting on Baseball for years, the burden is not on the rest of us to prove his guilt. He has to prove he's telling the truth about this one thing, while he lied about every thing else. And I don't think that's possible, so screw him.

He's been made an example of, and an example he will stay, despite his apologists.

19 posted on 01/15/2013 11:14:14 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: doug from upland
Like Clinton, Armstrong used money and power and attorneys to destroy those who came forward to tell the truth.

Yes, it wasn't just that he lied, he used money and power to punish anyone who would expose his lie.

The way he treated his wife told me all I needed to know about this POS. The unfolding of present events just confirms it.

20 posted on 01/15/2013 11:16:13 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: doug from upland
The difference between Armstrong and the Clintons, and Obama for that matter, is that Lance is truly being penalized.

The Clintons and Obama seem to be getting away with a whole bunch more and everything seems to be rolling off their backs as if they are totally innocent.

If payback is a bitch, then the Clintons and Obama and all the rest of their ilk will experience a tsunami with God at the helm.

Lance is really lucky that it is all falling on him now rather than later.

21 posted on 01/15/2013 11:18:16 AM PST by Slyfox (The key to Marxism is medicine - V. Lenin)
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To: doug from upland

” It is merely another weapon, along with lies, manipulation, deceit and posturing, in the arsenal of one of the lifetime predators whose sole goal in life is to prevail and profit over the rest of the trusting suckers who share the Earth with them, and who will do anything, even to the extent of briefly embracing ethical principles, to get what they want.”

What a soaring, beautiful sentence. I should paint it on my wall. The sociopathic, aka evil, person will use ANY thing, including telling the truth, public prayer, charity, all sorts of things good in and of themselves. . . to further their ends.


22 posted on 01/15/2013 11:49:22 AM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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