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Mali Islamists counter attack, promise France long war
Reuters ^ | Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:06am EST | Bate Felix and Alexandria Sage

Posted on 01/14/2013 6:41:56 AM PST by DeadFurrow

Al Qaeda-linked Islamist rebels launched a counter-offensive on Monday in central Mali after four days of air strikes by French warplanes on their strongholds in the desert north, promising to drag France into a long and brutal Afghanistan-style ground war.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; france; frenchtroops; mali

1 posted on 01/14/2013 6:41:59 AM PST by DeadFurrow
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To: Cincinna

Gallic ping.


2 posted on 01/14/2013 6:48:00 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: DeadFurrow

France is in talks for a possible surrender. More news as it happens !


3 posted on 01/14/2013 6:50:55 AM PST by midway1 (Inside every liberal is an American trying to get out)
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To: DeadFurrow

Go French!!! Please make obama very unhappy!!!


4 posted on 01/14/2013 6:51:03 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: DeadFurrow

Street Without Joy part II.


5 posted on 01/14/2013 6:52:27 AM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: midway1
On interventions like this regular French army troops are not used. These will be French Forign Legion, and they are very tough hombres. Also the French are not as finicky about rules of engagement like we are.

Mali islamists have tied into something they will regret.

6 posted on 01/14/2013 6:55:53 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: no-to-illegals
"Go French!!! Please make obama very unhappy!!!"

Yes, the French are fighting Muslim terrorists who were armed from Libyan depots via Obama's Benghazi's operation and directly by switching sides in Mali with US supplied equipment as well as with US technical support and training before they defected. This is another arm of Obama's support for Islamic transnational terrorism in Africa and the Middle East trying to establish the Greater Caliphate. Obama is a great Muslim leader and Hollande stands in his way. The world turned upside down.

7 posted on 01/14/2013 7:03:44 AM PST by Truth29
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To: midway1

If you read the history of France you will discover a long history of military excellence along with a few major defeats. Sadly the French officer core in WW1 was terrible. Simply horrible and needlessly killed millions and millions of Frances best and brightest. So horrific were Frances losses in WW1 that the French has no will to fight 20 years later when WW2 came around. However the French appear to reverting back to their fighting past. And also appear (unlike the USA under Bush/Obama) to have a pretty good idea of who the enemy really is. We should be happy to have them in the fight.


8 posted on 01/14/2013 7:09:27 AM PST by jpsb
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To: DeadFurrow

It’s someone else’s turn I see. Perhaps that will change France’s opinion of us in regard to islam.


9 posted on 01/14/2013 7:09:42 AM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

It would be instructive to witness the Legion in a two to three month operation supported by the French Air Force against Islamists in Mali. The results will probably be similar to the initial American success against the Taliban when The US initially intervened. The Taliban suffered heavy causalities and their government fell. But to what end? There has been a prolonged inconclusive war ever since. The same thing will happen in Mali. Unless the native non Islamists in Africa, arm, organize and effectively resist, Africa will eventually be predominantly Islamic. Also if the West were serious about stopping this fundamentalist wave, then it will have to deal with the Saudis in a definitive manner.


10 posted on 01/14/2013 7:18:02 AM PST by allendale
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To: midway1

Q: How many Frenchies does it take to defend Paris?
A: No one knows... it’s NEVER been done.

:-)


11 posted on 01/14/2013 7:22:13 AM PST by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them)
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To: Jimmy Valentine
Mali islamists have tied into something they will regret.

Who'd have thought we'd be standing in awe of the French... what an upside-down world in which we live...

12 posted on 01/14/2013 7:22:31 AM PST by ScottinVA (More dizzying than a Tilt-a-Whirl is an around-a-circle argument with a liberal about gun control.)
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To: DeadFurrow

This will grow because we are unwilling to pursue their funding sources. When we use to know how to fight an enemy we new ...attack their supply lines.. why wont we do that? Hmmmmmm?

Blowing up a few jihadies here and there does nothing...


13 posted on 01/14/2013 7:48:24 AM PST by Breto (Stranger in a strange land... where did America go?)
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To: Breto

You cut off funding (Saudi) OPEC jacks up the price of oil.


14 posted on 01/14/2013 7:53:58 AM PST by USAF80
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To: jpsb
If you read the history of France you will discover a long history of military excellence...

Yes. The French collapse in 1940 was due the German army's brilliant tank strategy, not French cowardice. One little-known story of that campaign is how well the remnants of the French army fought to cover the British evacuation at Dunkirk.

15 posted on 01/14/2013 7:57:20 AM PST by Leaning Right
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To: DeadFurrow

France has a huge Muslim population, I’m sure the sleeper cells there can cause a lot of problems. Is their immigration policy going to haunt them or will it open the eyes of the west to the terrorist threat once those cells start bombing innocents?


16 posted on 01/14/2013 8:13:02 AM PST by Paco
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To: USAF80

“You cut off funding (Saudi) OPEC jacks up the price of oil.”

Kinda makes a morality play doesn’t it. If we resolved to develop our own resources the Saudi’s would be irrelevant...


17 posted on 01/14/2013 8:31:24 AM PST by Breto (Stranger in a strange land... where did America go?)
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To: Paco

When the sleeper cells are activated, we will see many “peace loving muslims” (in name only) actively getting involved.


18 posted on 01/14/2013 8:31:35 AM PST by DeadFurrow (Your rights end where mine begins.)
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To: Leaning Right; midway1
Dunkirt youtube
19 posted on 01/14/2013 8:46:31 AM PST by jpsb
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To: SomeCallMeTim
The Battle of Verdun was one of the major battles during the First World War on the Western Front. It was fought between the German and French armies, from 21 February to 18 December 1916, on hilly terrain north of the city of Verdun-sur-Meuse in north-eastern France.

According to contemporary estimates, Verdun resulted in 714,321 casualties, 377,231 on the French side and 337,000 on the German one, an average of 70,000 casualties for each of the ten months of the battle.[5] It was the longest and one of the most devastating battles in the First World War and the history of warfare. Modern estimates increase the number of casualties to 976,000.

20 posted on 01/14/2013 8:51:43 AM PST by jpsb
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To: SomeCallMeTim
The Battle of Hastings occurred on 14 October 1066 during the Norman conquest of England, between the Norman-French army of Duke William II of Normandy and the English army under King Harold II.[a] It took place at Senlac Hill, approximately 10 km (61⁄4 miles) northwest of Hastings, close to the present-day town of Battle, East Sussex, and was a decisive Norman victory.
21 posted on 01/14/2013 8:56:00 AM PST by jpsb
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To: SomeCallMeTim
"The Siege of Yorktown, Battle of Yorktown, or Surrender of Yorktown, the latter taking place on October 19, 1781, was a decisive victory by a combined force of American Continental Army troops led by General George Washington and French Army troops led by the Comte de Rochambeau over a British Army commanded by Lieutenant General Lord Cornwallis.
22 posted on 01/14/2013 8:57:36 AM PST by jpsb
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To: SomeCallMeTim

You’ve never heard of the Franco-Prussian War then.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Paris_%281870%E2%80%931871%29

And that was after the Emperor Napoleon III and almost all of his entire army was encircled and captured at the Battle of Sedan!


23 posted on 01/14/2013 9:03:20 AM PST by Shadow44
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To: SomeCallMeTim
"The Battle of Austerlitz, also known as the Battle of the Three Emperors, was one of Napoleon's greatest victories, where the French Empire effectively crushed the Third Coalition. On 2 December 1805 (20 November Old Style, 11 Frimaire An XIV, in the French Republican Calendar), a French army, commanded by Emperor Napoleon I, decisively defeated a Russo-Austrian army, commanded by Tsar Alexander I and Holy Roman Emperor Francis II, after nearly nine hours of difficult fighting. The battle took place near Austerlitz (Slavkov u Brna) about 10 km (6 mi) south-east of Brno in Moravia, at that time in the Austrian Empire (present day Czech Republic). The battle was a tactical masterpiece of the same stature of Gaugamela and Cannae."
24 posted on 01/14/2013 9:03:21 AM PST by jpsb
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To: jpsb
Occasionally I get in conversations about the French in the 20th century. Sooner or later some clown will refer to the French as "surrender monkeys", or something like that.

My response is always the same: read about the Battle of Verdun.

25 posted on 01/14/2013 9:14:30 AM PST by Leaning Right
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To: Shadow44; jpsb

Easy ROCK!

It’s just a joke...

And, anyway... the Battle of Hastings has nothing to do with defending Paris.


26 posted on 01/14/2013 9:19:34 AM PST by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them)
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To: Leaning Right
Your post #15.

One little-known story of that campaign is how well the remnants of the French army fought to cover the British evacuation at Dunkirk. Hopeful signs here that when and if the French crack down hard on the psychopathic Islamists.

My dad was with a British army infantry regiment at the Dendry Canal in Belgium. He never said much, but the book by his Commanding officer, mentioned the French 5th light tanks and the Cameron regiment (Scotties)as support.

They faced the panzers and could only delay them at a canal bridge. The platoon of English soldier were lucky to get taken off eventually at Dunkirk. 35,000 French troops covered the retreat. Thousands were also taken off to England.

I know Winston Churchill made some statement about France being given some special rights as an ally at that time. I cannot find any reference though.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend, is said.

27 posted on 01/14/2013 9:26:48 AM PST by Peter Libra
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To: DeadFurrow

Doubtful. Not only are the French holding the white flags in ready reserve, the prospect of a secretary of state named Kerry will guarantee timely surrender.


28 posted on 01/14/2013 9:31:51 AM PST by DPMD
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To: Leaning Right; SomeCallMeTim
I am a history buff and it annoys me when the Franks and French army is disrespected. They have about 1500 years of history most of it victorious. The only real stain on their honor was the Vichy French of WW2. I spent time in DeGauls' France in the 60s' and I do not particularly like the French (they don't particularly like us either) but surrender monkeys they are not.

Generalship in WW1 sucked, civilian leadership in pre WW2 sucked, hopefully they are correcting their problems.

29 posted on 01/14/2013 9:52:31 AM PST by jpsb
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To: jpsb

I do not disagree with anything you’ve said.
But it looks like France is losing this war against the mooselimb crazies.
How many buildings and vehicles have been torched in France each year and folks killed there.
And that is due to their liberal immigrations laws of yeas past.


30 posted on 01/14/2013 11:25:30 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: jpsb
but surrender monkeys they are not.

What would you call their involvement early in Vietnam? Or China? Or Iraq?

Recent history has not been all that terrific for the Froggies.

31 posted on 01/14/2013 12:11:16 PM PST by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them)
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To: Leaning Right

The villian of that fiasco was Weygand,as duplicitous and incompetent a general ever was.


32 posted on 01/14/2013 12:33:30 PM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: jpsb
Your post #19.

For me many memories revived here with the old films. A child at the time, I had a great time with an all- band radio. Even today, I remember the stentorian tones of the announcer in London. A classic opening to music happened to coincide with the letter V. This was played first. I think it was from Beethoven's Fifth Symphony. Da Da Da Dum. (Churchill had flashed the V sign replete with his cigar.)

The voice intoned:

Ici Londres. This is the London and the European service of the BBC.

We were quite free to tune in to "Germany Calling" on the long wave. Another story however.

33 posted on 01/14/2013 1:29:01 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: Peter Libra

I should say that the symphony opening was construed as the letter V in morse code. dot dot dot dash.


34 posted on 01/14/2013 1:34:14 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: SomeCallMeTim
The French have had their moments. Not many in 1940 to be sure, when whole divisions of the Second and Ninth Armies panicked and fled before Guderian's tanks, but they had pretty incompetent leadership too.
35 posted on 01/14/2013 9:50:50 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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