Americans Buy Enough Guns in Last Two Months to Outfit the Entire Chinese and Indian Armies

Gatewaypundit.com ^ | 1-14-2013 | Jim Hoft

[servo1969]

The Obama Administration is the number one threat to the nation’s gun rights advocates. In the four years since Barack Obama was first elected president in November 2008, an estimated 67 million firearms have been purchased in the United States. In November a record 2 million guns were sold in America. This was followed up by another record in December. 2.7 million guns were sold in America in the last month of 2012.

Posted by Jim Hoft on Monday, January 14, 2013, 6:42 AM

Honest Americans Bought Enough Guns in November and December to Outfit the Entire Chinese and Indian Armies

The Obama Administration is the number one threat to the nation’s gun rights advocates. In the four years since Barack Obama was first elected president in November 2008, an estimated 67 million firearms have been purchased in the United States. In November a record 2 million guns were sold in America. This was followed up by another record in December. 2.7 million guns were sold in America in the last month of 2012.

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To put this in perspective. Chinese and Indian Standing Army Numbers:

China

- There are 2.29 active members in the Chinese Army.

India

- There are 1.13 active members in the Indian Army.

There were enough guns sold in the US in November and December to outfit each active member of the Chinese and Indian armies with a brand new gun.

[servo1969]

Damn straight!

And two of them were mine!

[sickoflibs]

This is the grand irony,
the libs endlessly complain about gun manufacturers profits, yet they made them skyrocket by successfully electing Obama twice.

[DocRock]

Just scanning the linked article, it looks like those are just the ones requiring background checks. I wonder what the total is.

[yldstrk]

“There are 2.29 active members in the Chinese Army.

India

- There are 1.13 active members in the Indian Army. “

wow, that’s not very many

[PGR88]

It’s not the Indian or Chinese Army we fear.

[NewHampshireDuo]

Every where I look there’s a number of about 300 million firearms in the possession of US citizens. My gut says that number is low. Articles like this suggest that the number must be higher. Guns don’t age like cars.

[brownsfan]

Tell me about it. I’ve been looking for a 9mm handgun, and the places are picked over. Given that I’m a fiscal conservative, I’m also frugal, which is slowing down the purchase. (Supply and demand causing prices to rise).

[libstripper]

I added the numbers. November and December purchases totaled 1.28 million more than the combined Indian and Chinease armies, meaning he probably could have included the U.S. Army and Marines with a few guns still left over.

[TheRhinelander]

Tonight I’m headed over to a real small place a couple towns over to see if I can get a little 7.62x39 ammo for my rifle that I lost due to an unfortunate boating accident. 8^| Just for target practice. Should be interesting to see what he does/doesn’t have in stock.

[Mr. K]

‘A friend of mine’ who went 55 years of his life without one just bought two guns this month.

[And then lost them in a tragic boating accident]

The store owner was happy he was making a ton of money- even expanded his store open hours temporarily.. but he said he was worried about what would happen to his business AFTER

Does anyone here shoot a 410? Is reloading those shells much cheaper? (I know they are very expensive to begin with, for some reason)

How do 410 shotgun shells compare with .45 bullets? (cost wise) the one gun ‘my friend’ bought is made to shoot both.) [I mean if he hadn’t lost them in the tragic boating accident]

[Sir Napsalot]

me, too.

was waiting for a more opportune time to add more / (replace the one in the boating accident) ...

doesn't look like the price is EVER going to go down.

if I am any more cynical, we should check the firearm/ammo manufactures’ link to politicians who want to post more gun laws. Every time some thing like this in the air, there is a run on both. Never fails.

[muir_redwoods]

"Honest Americans Bought Enough Guns in November and December to Outfit the Entire Chinese and Indian Armies"

I truly hope this is accurate because not a one was purchased so that a gun owner would have something to turn in.

[C210N]

Good to know that if it comes to Revolution-II, we won’t have to be in debt to the French (Navy) or Dutch ($’s).

[laweeks]

Couldn’t move in the Berea, Ohio Gun Show yesterday. Shoulder to shoulder attendance.

My son and I both joined the NRA last Thursday.

[Sir Napsalot]

Excellent news then.

This should put some fear into “the Indian or Chinese (or any one else’) Army”.

[technically right]

Locally I’ve seen a pretty good supply of 7.62 x 39, .308 and most handgun stuff (.9mm and .40) NO .223 / 5.56 to be found anywhere.

[Tenacious 1]

Every where I look there’s a number of about 300 million firearms in the possession of US citizens. My gut says that number is low. Articles like this suggest that the number must be higher. Guns don’t age like cars.

That's funny you should mention it. A relative of mine recently found his cache of weapons. They are hand-me-downs. Some of them are VERY VERY old. 1873 Winchester for instance. There is an M1 Garand in the mix. They are in pretty good condition for the most part. But we are taking them to a gun smith to have them tuned up and ready to shoot. We suspect most have not been fired since at least the 1960s.

To get to your point, however, in a demanding position, I'd run a cloth or two down that M1, jam that loaded steel clip in it and give it a try.

Add a dozen or so weapons to those previously lost in statistics to old age. We are bringing these weapons back up to specs (just for fun and family treasures of course). They will be battle ready...er... I mean ready for the range in about a month. I'll keep these family heirlooms in tip top shape from now until I pass them on.

[TheRhinelander]

That’s encouraging. I have 1k rounds waiting for me in a secure location, which I will pick up later this winter. Until then I need small amounts. I’m conserving as much as possible. I heard Wal-Fart is NOT restocking ammo. Not sure if this is true or not. I’m tempted to go find out.

[TexasRedeye]

It is the homes without guns I would be worried about. Easy enough to check addresses on streets to see if they were gun owners.

Me, too!

[Yosemitest]

The United States Citizens KNOW that they're going to have to fight TYRANTS in their own government.
You cannot protect life, without the ability to take life.

While you are WAITING for the police to respond, someone could be losing their life.
All people of a responsible age should be armed.

As EternalVigilance reminded us:

The Second Amendment IS Pro-Life.

"Among the natural rights of the Colonists are these:
First, a right to life;
Secondly, to liberty;
Thirdly, to property;
together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can.
These are evident branches of, rather than deductions from, the duty of self-preservation,
commonly called the first law of nature...
In short, it is the greatest absurdity to suppose it in the power of one, or any number of men, at the entering into society,
to renounce their essential natural rights, or the means of preserving those rights;
when the grand end of civil government, from the very nature of its institution, is for the support, protection, and defence of those very rights;
the principal of which, as is before observed, are Life, Liberty, and Property.
If men, through fear, fraud, or mistake, should in terms renounce or give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the grand end of society would absolutely vacate such renunciation.
The right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty,
it is not in the power of man to alienate this gift
and voluntarily become a slave."




-- Samuel Adams, The Rights of the Colonists

Click here to read the 12 page pamphlet.

Let us NEVER FORGET THAT !

Let's subjugate them to OUR end game, DUST!
"COMPROMISE" is a DIRTY word!
People who study the Bible know that COMPROMISE almost always leads to destruction.


It's time to mock the "Gun Control" Zombies!
"Gun Control" is a firm grip, steady breathing, accurate aim (developed by lots of practice), and a slow trigger pull.


The Swiss have got it CORRECT !
We need to learn from the Swiss and implement their "gun control measures" here in the United States right now, today!
These laws are the ones we should shove into the "2nd Amendment Haters" faces.

" Today, military service for Swiss males is universal. At about age 20, every Swiss male goes through 118 consecutive days of recruit training in the Rekrutenschule. ...

Even before required training begins, young men and women may take optional courses with the Swiss army's M57 assault rifle.
They keep that gun at home for three months and receive six half-day training sessions.

From age 21 to 32, a Swiss man serves as a "frontline" troop in the Auszug, and devotes three weeks a year (in eight of the 12 years) to continued training.
From age 33 to 42, he serves in the Landwehr (like America's National Guard); every few years, he reports for two-week training periods.
Finally, from ages 43, to 50, he serves in the Landsturm; in this period, he only spends 13 days total in "home guard courses."

Over a soldier's career he also spends scattered days on mandatory equipment inspections and required target practice.
Thus, in a 30-year mandatory military career, a Swiss man only spends about one year in direct military service.
Following discharge from the regular army, men serve on reserve status until age 50 (55 for officers).

By the Federal Constitution of 1874, military servicemen are given their first equipment, clothing and arms.
After the first training period, conscripts must keep gun, ammunition and equipment an ihrem Wohnort ("in their homes") until the end of their term of service.

Today, enlisted men are issued M57 AUTOMATIC assault rifles and officers are given pistol.
Each reservist is issued 24 rounds of ammunition in sealed packs for emergency use.
(Contrary to Handgun Control's claim that "all ammunition must be accounted for," the emergency ammunition is the only ammo that requires accounting.)

After discharge from service, the man is given a bolt rifle free from registration or obligation.
Starting in the 1994, the government will GIVE ex-reservists assault rifles. Officers carry pistols rather than rifles and are given their pistols the end of their service.

When the government adopts a new infantry rifle, it sells the old ones to the public.

Reservists are encouraged to buy MILITARY ammunition
(7.5 and 5.6mm-5.56 mm in other countries-for rifles and 9 and 7.65 mm Luger for pistols)
which is sold AT COST by the government, for target practice .
Non-military ammunition for long-gun hunting and .22 Long Rifle (LR) ammo are not subsidised, but are subiect to NO sales controls.
Non-military non-hunting ammunition more powerful than .22 LR (such as .38 Spl.) is registered at the time of sale.

Swiss military ammo must be registered IF bought at a private store, BUT NEED NOT BE REGISTERED IF bought at a range.
The nation's 3,000 shooting ranges sell the overwhelming majority of ammunition.
Technically, ammunition bought at the range must be used at the range, but the rule is barely known and almost never obeyed.

The army SELLS a variety of machine guns, submachine guns, anti-tank weapons, anti-aircraft guns, howitzers and cannons.
Purchasers of these weapons require an EASILY OBTAINED cantonal license, and the weapons are registered.
In a nation of six million people, there are at least two million guns, including 600,000 FULLY AUTOMATIC assault rifles, half a million pistols, and numerous machine guns.
Virtually every home has a gun.

Besides SUBSIDIZED military surplus, the Swiss can buy other firearms easily too.
While long guns require NO special purchase procedures, handguns are sold only to those with a Waffenerwerbsschien (purchase certificate) issued by a cantonal authority.
A certificate is issued to every applicant over 18 who is not a criminal or mentally infirm.

There are NO restrictions on the carrying of long guns.
About half the cantons have strict permit procedures for carrying handguns, and the other half have NO rules at all.
There is NO discernible difference in the crime rate between the cantons as a result of the different policies.

Thanks to a lawsuit brought by the Swiss gun lobby, semi-automatic rifles require NO PURCHASE PERMIT and are NOT registered by the government.
Thus, the ONLY long guns registered by the government are FULL AUTOMATICS."

The Swiss have got it CORRECT !
Let's adopt THEIR LAWS !

Remember:

The beauty of the Second Amendment is
that it will not be needed
until they TRY to take it.

Read Second Amendment: It’s Not About Hunting, IT'S ABOUT TYRANNY .

[Morris70]

Check out prices on beretta px4 storm.

[Pollster1]

Neither the Chinese Army nor the Indian Army is an immediate threat to our individual freedom. The only logical conclusion is that Americans are buying weapons for the obvious reason - because "military style" weapons are, as the Founding Fathers wrote, necessary to the security of a free State. The weapons are to defend American citizens against a more immediate threat than India or China. I hope Vegetius was right: "Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum" (If you want peace, prepare for war). Like other firearm owners, I want peace. I am skeptical on the intentions of others, so I prepare. The ball is in their court.

I certainly hope plenty of lurking gun grabbers are reading the many pro-freedom posts on FR, including this one. Does the far left fringe really think we have purchased 67,000,000 firearms for the purpose of registering them with the threat they are meant to defend against or handing them over in return for a token payment (of our own tax dollars!)? Do they think those Americans who have fought in wars to defend freedom will allow themselves to be disarmed, will give up the only protection we have for our other freedoms, and will bow down to an unlawful, unconstitutional command?

Clearly the far left can get away with another "assault weapons ban" like the last one - although I hope even the dumbest advocates for disarming law-abiding Americans know that this will be only a symbolic victory. Going further: confiscating private firearms with or without a trivial payment, banning new semiautomatic weapons, restricting ammunition, or requiring registration will result in unpleasant consequences. I hope to avoid such an outcome. It is not clear to me that the far left wants to avoid a second civil war. If they successfully provoke another secession or another civil war, I will be cheering for the real Americans to win, not for the far left.

[TomGuy]

Just an observation of this thread, but it seems like several guns were lost ‘due to boating accidents.’

I wonder how many of those boating accidents involved alcohol, and I don’t mean the gas additive.

LoL

[Sir Napsalot]

I like the added flair. But who's going to be close enough to see it to smile in time?

[Jimmy Valentine]

It would be interesting to know how mny weapons of all types have been inherited, passed down from father to son/daughter, or privately traded/gifted.

It would be no surprise to find that there are 300 million weapons in private hands.

[Sir Napsalot]

Don’t know about the other ‘accidents’, but I sweare mine was COMPLETELY dry. (grin)

[liberalh8ter]

Thank you for posting such an uplifting headline, I needed some good news!

[Mr. K]

No nothing like that, it is just an odd coincidence

You take your gun collection out for a nice leisurely boat ride to the middle of the deepest lake you know and they just seem to fall right over.

Tragic.

Impossible to verify, but tragic still.

[NEMDF]

Yes, unless they have a lot more “inactive but ready”, they do not seem to be much of a threat, less than 4 total.

[no-to-illegals]

Mine were taken in an ambuscade.

[servo1969]

#27

Sure thing!

[CottonBall]

The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they TRY to take it.

Thank you for bringing this issue back to its roots.

[FrogMom]

Two of the handguns we bought in November were Taurus Judges. Ammo for them is either .45 Colt (a longer-than .45 ACP) or .410 shells.

The 000 buck .410 shells only have 4 pellets in them - BUT they are each slightly larger than the size of a .38 bullet (.36 for the 000 and .357 for the .38).

Range time was awesome - at 25 feet, there were 4 horizontal holes across the center of the target with each shot.

[Yosemitest]

You're welcome.
Pass this good information around, and slam some liberals!

[backwoods-engineer]

Americans Buy Enough Guns in Last Two Months to Outfit the Entire Chinese and Indian Armies

Two were mine, and I ain't planning on turning them in, nor the dozens of "high-capacity" magazines I own. Molon Labe.

[Nervous Tick]

>> How do 410 shotgun shells compare with .45 bullets? (cost wise) the one gun ‘my friend’ bought is made to shoot both.)

Ah, your friend bought himself a Judge. It’s a shame he wasn’t more careful with his new purchase. :-)

I used to have a Judge, too, before it fell off my truck.

.45LC is kinda pricey handgun ammo, and not always easy to find. I did notice that they at least had some on the shelf at my Academy, last time I looked. I have found dirty Mexican .45LC for about .65/shell. Most of the time it’s more than that.

But it’s not just cost, it’s also effectiveness.

While .410 small shot may be cheaper (50 cents) and is useful for some varmints, IMHO the .45LC is a better defense round. If you’re planning to shoot longer than about ten or fifteen feet, anyway. For defense, don’t even THINK about any shot size smaller than #4, and frankly, #4 is too small too. Think buck. Smaller shot just sprays every whichaway shortly after it leaves that little barrel.

Before I lost my judge, I preferred these for defense: http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/AMM-860.

Three 000 pellets. Price is okay relative to other .410, if you can find them. And the pattern is tight-ish out to a reasonable distance.

In fact, I keep ...er, *kept* the judge loaded with three of these (first) plus two Hornady JHP .45LC after those.

Your friend may have been tempted to try .410 slugs, but IMHO they aren’t worth their price ($1 each). If you want to throw just one piece o’ hot lead out of the Judge, use .45LC — cheaper, more accurate, and more effective.

The Judge certainly has its flaws (and plenty of detractors to point them out), but all in all I have... er, *had* a lot of fun with mine.

FRegards

[InABunkerUnderSF]

So, what percentage of those weapons were modern carbines like ARs and AKs and modern battle rifles like the FAL or M1A that are on the top of the "to be banned" list?

People are snapping up every modern carbine as soon as it hits a store shelf. A lot of people have been priced out of the modern carbine market and are upgrading and accessorizing what they have - new optics, lights, lasers, rails, etc. One of the items is out of stock everywhere is the Tapco Interfuse SKS stock, used to convert an otherwise prosaic 10 shot fixed magazine SKS into a rifle with a 20 round detachable magazine, rail system and multi-position stock - all features that keep liberals awake nights.

When the first "Assault" weapons "ban" took effect there were about 1.5 million rifles in private hands that fell into that category. Today there are tens of millions. There was also a divide in the gun owner community between the brown rifle and black rifle people. That doesn't exist anymore as far as I can tell. The politicians need to know that any attempt to ban anything will energize a voting block large enough to vote them out of office.

[backwoods-engineer]

I heard Wal-Fart is NOT restocking ammo. Not sure if this is true or not.

My local Wal-Mart is still receiving shipments of it, and I got word from an acquaintance who works in distribution that WM is still placing automated orders for ammo. They're just having trouble getting it (like everybody else).

That story might have been a scare tactic, I don't know.

[Yosemitest]

May I recommend a PTR 91 Short Barreled Rifle ?
Here's ShotGun News' article on it.
Here's the company that builds the PTR-91 PDW.

[TheRhinelander]

Glad to hear that.

[Obadiah]

"Those who will not hear the messengers of peace, shall be made to hear the messengers of war."

[seekthetruth]

Just scanning the linked article, it looks like those are just the ones requiring background checks. I wonder what the total is.

Great point! I am sure there are many Americans who carry and/or own several guns from years ago, with none of them registered! One thing Americans will NOT allow to happen is to have our 2nd amendment taken away.

This morning I read a report about a home owner who's home was broken into by criminals that were looking to steal his guns. The home owner was one identified by the Journal News as having guns. The criminals were caught.

I believe it would be fair to publish the names and addresses of all the DEM gun grabbers and the CEO, Editor and board of directors of Journal News to display their gun ownership or lack there of!

[IYAS9YAS]

Guns don’t age like cars.

Too true. Even my cheap Mosin-Nagant throws the lead pretty well for a beat-up 71-year-old.

[Charles Martel]

A relative of mine recently found his cache of weapons. They are hand-me-downs. Some of them are VERY VERY old. 1873 Winchester for instance. There is an M1 Garand in the mix. They are in pretty good condition for the most part. But we are taking them to a gun smith to have them tuned up and ready to shoot.

Before you visit the gunsmith, you should call and discuss the calibers of the various guns you need checked out. Just to make sure he has the correct headspace gauges on hand for the basic safety check.

Be warned, if you leave a firearm with a gunsmith/FFL for more than 24 hours, they have to input the gun's information in their bound book. So eventually, despite not having seen the light of day since before the '68 Gun Control Act, those firearms will enter the BATFE database if that FFL ever shuts down, or gets raided for (fill in the "official reason" for the federal fishing expedition here), or... well, you get the idea.

Make sure the 'smith checks things out while you wait. If parts replacements are required, take the guns home until the parts shipment arrives.

Hey, it's not paranoia if they really *are* out to get you. ;-)

[jboot]

On Saturday I visited three stores that either had a large sign stating that the were sold out of .223 or that customers were limited to x number of boxes of .223. On inspection it turned out that the latter stores were sold out, too.

Fortunately for me, I wasn't looking for .223 on Saturday.

[norwaypinesavage]

Does this mean we’ll have to use our older weapons if the Chinese, Indians AND the Russians invade?

[Daveinyork]

I just got a gun for the first time in my 63 years. I’ve been thinking abotu it for a few years as I watched civil order break down. Last month I decided to get one while I can. Saturday at the Gander Mountain, the gun department looked like a beehive, and, probably due to the popularity of the Taurus Judge, stocks of 410 shells were depleted in Gander Mountain, Wal-Mart, and a local hunting store.

[jboot]

SHHH! So far the panic buying hasn't impacted prices of the C&R guns too much. We don't want anyone finding out that the old wariors still have a lot of fight left in them! ;-)

BTW, decent Mosin Nagant stripper clips are FINALLY coming over. Get 'em while you can!

[NCDave]

Check out www.budsgunshop.com They are awesome!! (at least to me..)

[Sir Napsalot]

Hmmmmm.... didn’t know that.

Thanks for the info.