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Franken pushes mental-health bill to reduce firearm violence
duluthnewstribune.com ^ | January 10, 2013 | John Lundy

Posted on 01/12/2013 7:16:23 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe

Mental-health professionals, not more guns, are the way to address school violence, Sen. Al Franken said on Wednesday.

The Minnesota Democrat, in Duluth to announce legislation related to mental health, said he hasn’t seen support for proposals to arm teachers or place armed guards in schools.

“In the discussion that I’ve had with Minnesota teachers and school officials, they don’t think that’s the solution,” Franken said after a news conference at the Federal Building in Duluth. “There’s agreement in the educational community in Minnesota … that we need more counselors, and we need more mental-health professionals in our schools.”

The Dec. 14 slaying of 26 people, including 20 children, at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., has reawakened discussion about school safety. The National Rifle Association proposed placing armed guards in schools. In Minnesota, state Rep. Tony Cornish, R-Vernon Center, said he’ll introduce a bill to allow teachers to carry weapons.

Franken, who met with school officials in Eagan on Monday, said addressing mental-health issues early would be a better investment.

The earlier mental-health issues are addressed, the less likely they’ll be to result in violent

behavior later on, Franken said. But Minnesota lags in providing counselors, he said. The state’s high schools have one mental-health counselor for every 780 students, ranking 48th in the country in that category, he said.

The legislation Franken announced on Wednesday deals with mental-health issues when they lead to criminal behavior. Co-authored with U.S. Rep. Richard Nugent, R-Fla., the legislation would:

Authorize investment in veterans treatment courts, which serve arrested veterans who suffer from post-traumatic stress, substance addiction and other mental-health conditions.

Support police academies including curricula on mental-health issues.

Extend the Mentally Ill Offender Treatment and Crime Reduction Act, first passed in 2004, for another five years, continuing federal support for mental-health courts and crisis intervention teams.

Franken said the bill is an attempt to favor treatment rather than incarceration for those who are mentally ill. He cited an estimate by Hennepin County Sheriff Rich Stanek that up to 30 percent of inmates in county jails have mental illnesses.

“Of course, we want to put people who are violent in prison,” Franken said. But treatment is more effective and less costly than prison for the mentally ill who are nonviolent, he said.


TOPICS: US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment; stuartsmalley

1 posted on 01/12/2013 7:16:29 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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2 posted on 01/12/2013 7:19:11 AM PST by EEGator
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Franken knows a lot about part of it, but not much about what happened in CT. Is that from his drying out days?


3 posted on 01/12/2013 7:21:57 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Look in the mirror AL...


4 posted on 01/12/2013 7:22:10 AM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

If no one wants to take measures to defend the children then don’t expect me to feel sorry for anyone when the attacks occur, because I am not going to.

The things that people don’t want attacked are defended by men with guns, and it is quite clear to me that school children are not one of those things, so be it.


5 posted on 01/12/2013 7:23:22 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

6 posted on 01/12/2013 7:24:04 AM PST by PLD
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To: Tailgunner Joe

How about we RELAX the privacy rules and the HIPAA rules and allow a public safety exception?

As it is now, parents might pay for the shrink, for their 25 year old kid, but parents are not notified, automatically, if the kid tells the shrink that he is thinking about killing people!


7 posted on 01/12/2013 7:24:26 AM PST by Kansas58
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To: Tailgunner Joe
38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.


Communist Goals (1963)
8 posted on 01/12/2013 7:26:28 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The Left is pretty good about playing both ends of a crisis:

Shooting at Sandy Hook?? Let's approach this in two ways:


9 posted on 01/12/2013 7:28:19 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Strangely enough, he might actually have a valid point. Stopped clocks and all that...


10 posted on 01/12/2013 7:29:02 AM PST by null and void (Confiscating guns enables tyranny. Don't enable Tyranny)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The Minnesota Democrat, in Duluth to announce legislation related to mental health
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Such legislation will inevitably lead to more agencies, departments and bureaucracy. And more government “investments”, as liberals love to characterize spending.


11 posted on 01/12/2013 7:30:33 AM PST by Starboard
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To: cripplecreek

WHOA. And thank you for that link...


12 posted on 01/12/2013 7:31:28 AM PST by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: Kansas58

‘mentally ill who are nonviolent’

There’s the rub...They are all non-violent, until they are violent.


13 posted on 01/12/2013 7:31:56 AM PST by Delta Dawn
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To: Tailgunner Joe

How ironic.

Here is a mental health defective elected by the mentally defective voters of the sorry state of Minnesota pushing mental health.

Of course his mental health part of the ‘bill’ is to make certain that people die at the hands of criminals with guns.

Franken is a complete asshole who appears to have the IQ of somewhere under room temperature.


14 posted on 01/12/2013 7:32:21 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
>>The Minnesota Democrat, in Duluth to announce legislation related to mental health, said he hasn’t seen support for proposals to arm teachers or place armed guards in schools.

Liar! They're calling for that here at my local high school.

15 posted on 01/12/2013 7:32:37 AM PST by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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Reading just the headline, I thought "well, diaper boy finally got one right." Then I read the story and found this:

"Franken said the bill is an attempt to favor treatment rather than incarceration for those who are mentally ill."

So we will continue to let identified unstable individuals with a high degree of probability of committing violence to walk the streets?

16 posted on 01/12/2013 7:33:41 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Classical lib - “lets throw another government make-work program at the problem.”


17 posted on 01/12/2013 7:38:10 AM PST by circlecity
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Watch. The result of all this mental health talk will be more psychotropic drugs used. The result of that will be more mass shootings.


18 posted on 01/12/2013 7:41:10 AM PST by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I have no problem with better mental health screening in schools. Some of these kids need SOMEBODY to pay attention to them and let them vent their issues.

Hey, I liked my guidance counselor in school.

My fear is with mental health screening of the population at large, and the potential political abuse of some who would use the law to label their political opponents “crazy.” This is a VERY slippery slope.


19 posted on 01/12/2013 7:43:49 AM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

How about mental health exams for politicians?

Keeping mental cases out of elected office would save more lives than every kind of gun control imaginable.


20 posted on 01/12/2013 7:44:36 AM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America, don't you?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

ObamaCare will play a big part in determining who is mentally prohibited from owning guns.


21 posted on 01/12/2013 7:47:53 AM PST by umgud (as a daughter)
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To: Kansas58

Psychiatric records have even more strigent privacy rules. I am a Family Physician and I get no records sent on my own patients about their treatment etc. from psychiatrists etc. I is like puling teeth to get even their diagnosis. But, guess whose office they show up in when they are in crisis. Mine !!! I have to call the police sometimes cause they are psychotic. Have had it happen 2 days after discharge from Psych hospital.


22 posted on 01/12/2013 7:48:22 AM PST by therut
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To: Iron Munro

>>How about mental health exams for politicians?

Keeping mental cases out of elected office would save more lives than every kind of gun control imaginable.<<

Best post of the day.


23 posted on 01/12/2013 7:49:11 AM PST by ILS21R (Everything is a conspiracy. No? You're living in one.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

The Left is pretty good about playing both ends of a crisis:


Yup. And then when they’re totally ineffective, they’ll say its because there aren’t enough of them.


24 posted on 01/12/2013 7:49:11 AM PST by rbg81
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To: pabianice

We don’t have to put “armed guards in schools”, which was STUPID for the NRA to suggest, or even arm and train teachers. All we have to do is LET THOSE WHO WANT TO CARRY, CARRY. This is as simple as repealing the Gun Free School Zones Act.

I know dozens of retired peace officers that would volunteer to patrol the school area one day a week and keep the peace.


25 posted on 01/12/2013 7:50:27 AM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: csmusaret
Watch. The result of all this mental health talk will be more psychotropic drugs used. The result of that will be more mass shootings.

Worth repeating. While Franken is asking for more counselors what we will end up with is less counseling (at $100 an hour) and more pills ($10 a month for the generic stuff). Pills without proper supervision are much more dangerous than no treatment at all.

Not to mention this is all part of the ongoing effort to turn American into pill popping zombies who vote only for more pills. It is fair to say that such people (I know a bunch of them) gave Obama his margin of victory here in Virginia.

26 posted on 01/12/2013 7:57:52 AM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: EEGator

I can only assume that members of Congress are exempt. If not, we might be seeing quite a few of them leaving office.


27 posted on 01/12/2013 8:05:43 AM PST by jmcenanly ("The more corrupt the state, the more laws." Tacitus, Publius Cornelius)
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To: palmer

Most gun murders are drug/gang related. Most mass shootings are psychotropic drug related. More people die from RX drug overdoses each year than from murder by firearm. Given all these facts the wizards of smart in Washington DC want to restrict the Constitutional rights of law abiding citizens. Does anyone doubt for a moment that if they succeed in destroying the 2nd Amendment they will immediately come after the 1st, starting with restrictions on the internet?


28 posted on 01/12/2013 8:06:03 AM PST by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: null and void
Strangely enough, he might actually have a valid point. Stopped clocks and all that ...
I agree. Something else I have to give him credit for - he was little more than an entertainer but got off his butt and ran for office.
Yeah, he did it in a very liberal state ... but the point is, he did more than just talk.
29 posted on 01/12/2013 8:13:47 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The titles and summaries of Dem bills always sound good. The problem resides in what is buried within and the riders attached.

Trust him and his bill? No.

(at least not until they pass it so they can find out what is in it)


30 posted on 01/12/2013 8:14:39 AM PST by SparkyBass
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I get it. It’s the DemoRat mental health decade.


31 posted on 01/12/2013 8:16:10 AM PST by Rembrandt (Part of the 51% who pay Federal taxes)
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To: csmusaret

Yes, and they can immediately trash the 4th by stopping cats to look for illegal gun traffickers. The 5th will go after that when they expand New York v. Quarles to include any government records of guns, ammo, parts, or anything related.


32 posted on 01/12/2013 8:27:53 AM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: palmer

I should have said stopping cars. But there was a cat lying on top of me and I mistyped.


33 posted on 01/12/2013 8:28:54 AM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Takes one to know one!


34 posted on 01/12/2013 8:31:49 AM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: oh8eleven

As the sister of a violent schizophrenic who wasn’t put in the psyche ward until after he killed someone, I can say that anything that makes it easier to identify and commit violently mentally ill people to a secure treatment facility would be a good thing.

Also, as a general crime fighting matter, our culture would do well to really know our neighbors.


35 posted on 01/12/2013 8:35:18 AM PST by married21
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Ya, lets have every politician checked out for mental competency also!


36 posted on 01/12/2013 8:49:33 AM PST by hope (Whom the Son sets free is free indeed!)
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To: married21
As the sister of a violent schizophrenic who wasn’t put in the psyche ward until after he killed someone
Sad tale. I live 5 miles from the town of Webster (NY), where the two volunteer fireman were recently ambushed by a whack-job .. who had killed his grandmother about 20 years ago.
The younger of the two victims had been a student in my son's class last year (he's a teacher) and he's just devastated.
37 posted on 01/12/2013 9:09:07 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

More counselors in schools = More targets for nut cases


38 posted on 01/12/2013 9:26:49 AM PST by twister881
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To: null and void

People have bodyguards with guns in order to protect them from some crazy person getting them. Crazy is the keyword and the main part of the problem that should be addressed.


39 posted on 01/12/2013 9:42:46 AM PST by dandiegirl
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To: Tailgunner Joe

In my opinion, the mental health issues manifest in DC amongst the political Royalty who are delusional and think they’re Gods.


40 posted on 01/12/2013 9:44:34 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: cripplecreek

Exactly. This is another brick in the Marxist wall for transforming the US into the Soviet nightmare.


41 posted on 01/12/2013 9:52:43 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Tailgunner Joe
“In the discussion that I’ve had with Minnesota teachers and school officials, they don’t think that’s the solution,” Franken said after a news conference at the Federal Building in Duluth.

Is Franken really so stupid that he relies on the opinions of teachers and school officials on matters of security and defense, or does he just hope that his constituents are really that stupid.

This argument from the left that "more guns in the schools are not the answer" infuriates me. The politicians spouting that argument have to be smart enough to know that disarming all of the good guys AND ADVERTISING THE FACT THAT THE GOOD GUYS ARE UNARMED is ludicrous. Yet, they know that the touchy-feely idiots that voted them into office will fall for it.

42 posted on 01/12/2013 9:59:46 AM PST by Washi (Socialism is Slavery)
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The ACLU sued the gubment and mand it illegal to incarceration crazy people in the Reagan era.
Boy that worked out didn’t it.


43 posted on 01/12/2013 1:02:09 PM PST by Vaduz
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To: palmer
"I should have said stopping cars. But there was a cat lying on top of me and I mistyped."

Works either way, I guess!

HA!

44 posted on 01/12/2013 2:29:10 PM PST by hummingbird
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To: Tailgunner Joe

More worthless counseling is NOT the answer! The Mental Health industry is filled with charlatans.
I would say that 30% of inmates having mental health problems is probably a low estimate, but we don’t have anywhere else to house them. Violent and potentially violent crazies need to be committed. Long-term mental hospitals are needed for insane people who are a danger to themselves or society.

My greatest concern is that the mental health profession is headed by perverts, and the asylums are run by the inmates. Today, people who adhere to a traditional moral stance are more likely to be committed than perverted sociopaths or dangerous psychopaths.


45 posted on 01/14/2013 5:44:31 AM PST by antidisestablishment (Our people perish through lack of wisdom, but they are content in their ignorance.)
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