Skip to comments.Franken pushes mental-health bill to reduce firearm violence
Posted on 01/12/2013 7:16:23 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe
Mental-health professionals, not more guns, are the way to address school violence, Sen. Al Franken said on Wednesday.
The Minnesota Democrat, in Duluth to announce legislation related to mental health, said he hasnt seen support for proposals to arm teachers or place armed guards in schools.
In the discussion that Ive had with Minnesota teachers and school officials, they dont think thats the solution, Franken said after a news conference at the Federal Building in Duluth. Theres agreement in the educational community in Minnesota that we need more counselors, and we need more mental-health professionals in our schools.
The Dec. 14 slaying of 26 people, including 20 children, at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., has reawakened discussion about school safety. The National Rifle Association proposed placing armed guards in schools. In Minnesota, state Rep. Tony Cornish, R-Vernon Center, said hell introduce a bill to allow teachers to carry weapons.
Franken, who met with school officials in Eagan on Monday, said addressing mental-health issues early would be a better investment.
The earlier mental-health issues are addressed, the less likely theyll be to result in violent
behavior later on, Franken said. But Minnesota lags in providing counselors, he said. The states high schools have one mental-health counselor for every 780 students, ranking 48th in the country in that category, he said.
The legislation Franken announced on Wednesday deals with mental-health issues when they lead to criminal behavior. Co-authored with U.S. Rep. Richard Nugent, R-Fla., the legislation would:
Authorize investment in veterans treatment courts, which serve arrested veterans who suffer from post-traumatic stress, substance addiction and other mental-health conditions.
Support police academies including curricula on mental-health issues.
Extend the Mentally Ill Offender Treatment and Crime Reduction Act, first passed in 2004, for another five years, continuing federal support for mental-health courts and crisis intervention teams.
Franken said the bill is an attempt to favor treatment rather than incarceration for those who are mentally ill. He cited an estimate by Hennepin County Sheriff Rich Stanek that up to 30 percent of inmates in county jails have mental illnesses.
Of course, we want to put people who are violent in prison, Franken said. But treatment is more effective and less costly than prison for the mentally ill who are nonviolent, he said.
Franken knows a lot about part of it, but not much about what happened in CT. Is that from his drying out days?
If no one wants to take measures to defend the children then don’t expect me to feel sorry for anyone when the attacks occur, because I am not going to.
The things that people don’t want attacked are defended by men with guns, and it is quite clear to me that school children are not one of those things, so be it.
How about we RELAX the privacy rules and the HIPAA rules and allow a public safety exception?
As it is now, parents might pay for the shrink, for their 25 year old kid, but parents are not notified, automatically, if the kid tells the shrink that he is thinking about killing people!
Shooting at Sandy Hook?? Let's approach this in two ways:
Strangely enough, he might actually have a valid point. Stopped clocks and all that...
The Minnesota Democrat, in Duluth to announce legislation related to mental health
Such legislation will inevitably lead to more agencies, departments and bureaucracy. And more government “investments”, as liberals love to characterize spending.
WHOA. And thank you for that link...
‘mentally ill who are nonviolent’
There’s the rub...They are all non-violent, until they are violent.
Here is a mental health defective elected by the mentally defective voters of the sorry state of Minnesota pushing mental health.
Of course his mental health part of the ‘bill’ is to make certain that people die at the hands of criminals with guns.
Franken is a complete asshole who appears to have the IQ of somewhere under room temperature.
Liar! They're calling for that here at my local high school.
"Franken said the bill is an attempt to favor treatment rather than incarceration for those who are mentally ill."
So we will continue to let identified unstable individuals with a high degree of probability of committing violence to walk the streets?
Classical lib - “lets throw another government make-work program at the problem.”
Watch. The result of all this mental health talk will be more psychotropic drugs used. The result of that will be more mass shootings.
I have no problem with better mental health screening in schools. Some of these kids need SOMEBODY to pay attention to them and let them vent their issues.
Hey, I liked my guidance counselor in school.
My fear is with mental health screening of the population at large, and the potential political abuse of some who would use the law to label their political opponents “crazy.” This is a VERY slippery slope.
How about mental health exams for politicians?
Keeping mental cases out of elected office would save more lives than every kind of gun control imaginable.
ObamaCare will play a big part in determining who is mentally prohibited from owning guns.
Psychiatric records have even more strigent privacy rules. I am a Family Physician and I get no records sent on my own patients about their treatment etc. from psychiatrists etc. I is like puling teeth to get even their diagnosis. But, guess whose office they show up in when they are in crisis. Mine !!! I have to call the police sometimes cause they are psychotic. Have had it happen 2 days after discharge from Psych hospital.
>>How about mental health exams for politicians?
Keeping mental cases out of elected office would save more lives than every kind of gun control imaginable.<<
Best post of the day.
The Left is pretty good about playing both ends of a crisis:
We don’t have to put “armed guards in schools”, which was STUPID for the NRA to suggest, or even arm and train teachers. All we have to do is LET THOSE WHO WANT TO CARRY, CARRY. This is as simple as repealing the Gun Free School Zones Act.
I know dozens of retired peace officers that would volunteer to patrol the school area one day a week and keep the peace.
Worth repeating. While Franken is asking for more counselors what we will end up with is less counseling (at $100 an hour) and more pills ($10 a month for the generic stuff). Pills without proper supervision are much more dangerous than no treatment at all.
Not to mention this is all part of the ongoing effort to turn American into pill popping zombies who vote only for more pills. It is fair to say that such people (I know a bunch of them) gave Obama his margin of victory here in Virginia.
I can only assume that members of Congress are exempt. If not, we might be seeing quite a few of them leaving office.
Most gun murders are drug/gang related. Most mass shootings are psychotropic drug related. More people die from RX drug overdoses each year than from murder by firearm. Given all these facts the wizards of smart in Washington DC want to restrict the Constitutional rights of law abiding citizens. Does anyone doubt for a moment that if they succeed in destroying the 2nd Amendment they will immediately come after the 1st, starting with restrictions on the internet?
The titles and summaries of Dem bills always sound good. The problem resides in what is buried within and the riders attached.
Trust him and his bill? No.
(at least not until they pass it so they can find out what is in it)
I get it. It’s the DemoRat mental health decade.
Yes, and they can immediately trash the 4th by stopping cats to look for illegal gun traffickers. The 5th will go after that when they expand New York v. Quarles to include any government records of guns, ammo, parts, or anything related.
I should have said stopping cars. But there was a cat lying on top of me and I mistyped.
Takes one to know one!
As the sister of a violent schizophrenic who wasn’t put in the psyche ward until after he killed someone, I can say that anything that makes it easier to identify and commit violently mentally ill people to a secure treatment facility would be a good thing.
Also, as a general crime fighting matter, our culture would do well to really know our neighbors.
Ya, lets have every politician checked out for mental competency also!
More counselors in schools = More targets for nut cases
People have bodyguards with guns in order to protect them from some crazy person getting them. Crazy is the keyword and the main part of the problem that should be addressed.
In my opinion, the mental health issues manifest in DC amongst the political Royalty who are delusional and think they’re Gods.
Exactly. This is another brick in the Marxist wall for transforming the US into the Soviet nightmare.
Is Franken really so stupid that he relies on the opinions of teachers and school officials on matters of security and defense, or does he just hope that his constituents are really that stupid.
This argument from the left that "more guns in the schools are not the answer" infuriates me. The politicians spouting that argument have to be smart enough to know that disarming all of the good guys AND ADVERTISING THE FACT THAT THE GOOD GUYS ARE UNARMED is ludicrous. Yet, they know that the touchy-feely idiots that voted them into office will fall for it.
The ACLU sued the gubment and mand it illegal to incarceration crazy people in the Reagan era.
Boy that worked out didn’t it.
Works either way, I guess!
More worthless counseling is NOT the answer! The Mental Health industry is filled with charlatans.
I would say that 30% of inmates having mental health problems is probably a low estimate, but we dont have anywhere else to house them. Violent and potentially violent crazies need to be committed. Long-term mental hospitals are needed for insane people who are a danger to themselves or society.
My greatest concern is that the mental health profession is headed by perverts, and the asylums are run by the inmates. Today, people who adhere to a traditional moral stance are more likely to be committed than perverted sociopaths or dangerous psychopaths.