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What firearm(s) would you recommend for home protection?
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Posted on 01/06/2013 9:42:01 PM PST by ru4liberty

This question pertains to a diminutive woman in her mid-60s. She has a .38 handgun but has been told by a few people (shooting range owner, RTC instructor's cousin, co-worker, etc.) that the best thing to have is a shotgun. They pretty much said that sometimes the only thing a perp needs is to hear the cocking of the shotgun and he'll flee the scene.

I wanted to tap into the expertise of those FReepers who are knowledgeable of such things so I can pass along the info. Also, her funds are limited (fixed income), so any recommendations that would keep her from having to spend too much and where would be the best place to buy it would be helpful.


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To: Marcella

Got it all figured out how you’re going to hold/swing it so it isn’t taken from you?


151 posted on 01/06/2013 11:36:54 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Psalm 83)
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To: Billthedrill
Naturally my own circle of friends in Idaho is restricted to vegetarian bee-keeping Buddhists

Aren't most bees vegetarian? Just checking...

152 posted on 01/06/2013 11:39:08 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: All

Gnight Gang

Seriously, I think the shotgun is the best up close personal protection home defense.

Hand guns are for when you cant carry a shotgun, and rifles are for long distance.

See yall later.


153 posted on 01/06/2013 11:39:58 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

Circuit Judge. .410 easily handling. just pull trigger for 5 shots.


154 posted on 01/06/2013 11:40:58 PM PST by oldasrocks (They should lock all of you up and only let out us properly medicated people.)
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To: doorgunner69

Have you seen the Breath Of The Dragon 12ga. shotgun rounds?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP4FjODPDFA


155 posted on 01/06/2013 11:41:15 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: mylife
"We had better ban those. ☺" I thought about that when I wrote that sentence. Evidently, not many people know about these defensive bats. People keep trying to think I mean a baseball bat. One couldn't use this to hit a ball - maybe once but the weight would be too much to continue to try to hit a ball. It looks like a black baseball bat. One could carry it in the car as it's not designated as a weapon.
156 posted on 01/06/2013 11:43:11 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: ru4liberty

Next to your firearm should be your body armor. Used vests are cheap on eBay and www.bulletproofme.com .

When you pick up one, you pick up the other. Gives you an edge. Everyone needs an edge in a fight.

Disorienting strobe lights aren’t bad, either. If you are hardcore, then don a gas mask and pepperspray bomb your house.

Always be looking for an edge.


157 posted on 01/06/2013 11:43:58 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: SJSAMPLE

That’s why you need a sling and a light mount for your shotgun.

And forget that crap about scaring them off by racking a round into the chamber. If the bad guy is in your house, he needs to be ventilated.


158 posted on 01/06/2013 11:46:42 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Southack

Smart aleck. Go to bed. Now.


159 posted on 01/06/2013 11:47:04 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Psalm 83)
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To: Marcella

Oh we call that an equalizer.
Problem with those is you better land on the first swing or the weight will roll you around LOL


160 posted on 01/06/2013 11:50:02 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: The Duke

“FYI, back in the “Andy Griffith days” the .38 revolver was standard police issue. It may not be enough to handle modern meth-fueled zombies, though.”

Most people will break off an attack when shot at with anything. Most of the rest will fall to pieces when shot with anything. The remainder are the reason the 1911 was invented.

If a shotgun is a little heavy for a person, there are ways to reduce the weight.


161 posted on 01/06/2013 11:51:14 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: The Duke

“FYI, back in the “Andy Griffith days” the .38 revolver was standard police issue. It may not be enough to handle modern meth-fueled zombies, though.”

Most people will break off an attack when shot at with anything. Most of the rest will fall to pieces when shot with anything. The remainder are the reason the 1911 was invented.

If a shotgun is a little heavy for a person, there are ways to reduce the weight.


162 posted on 01/06/2013 11:51:36 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: oldasrocks

Not a bad idea for close quarters


163 posted on 01/06/2013 11:54:14 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: ru4liberty

12 gauge Remington 870. Just the sound of that being pumped in the dark will send bad guys running.


164 posted on 01/06/2013 11:54:50 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: oldasrocks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWFGsTsNxa8


165 posted on 01/06/2013 11:55:40 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Brad's Gramma
“Got it all figured out how you’re going to hold/swing it so it isn’t taken from you?”

The bat is a choice, just like the pepper spray gun is a choice. Choice depends on what the situation is. I keep that bat in a position close to the front door. I know it's there as a choice based on what's happening.

The Ruger 38 with hollow points is in a fanny pack designed to cover a gun - has a velcro panel to jerk down and the gun is in my hand. If lawlessness started, I would wear that fanny pack all the time. Also have an ammo vest that carries extra ammo.

One way or another, I will kill the SOB that makes it into my house. I prefer to shoot him at the door and kick the body out so I can close and lock the door again. It's okay to kick the body out now since we have a law that says if someone tries to get in, it's okay to use deadly force. Before that law, it was best to drag the body inside to prove he was actually in.

166 posted on 01/06/2013 11:56:07 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: ru4liberty

20 gauge over/under or double barreled shotgun. NOT pump.

When the adrenaline gets going its too easy to be panicked or even physically quaking too much to effectively work the pump action or even remember there is one.

Yes, only 2 shots, but easy ones to get off.


167 posted on 01/07/2013 12:00:13 AM PST by expat1000
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To: ru4liberty

BTW...something’s bugged me throughout this whole thread. Unless she truly can NOT hit the broad side of a barn....what those men said to her was not right. They took away any self-confidence she may have had.

Is there a different range she can go to? The guys at my range were nothing but complimentary, along with, of course, VERY instructive.


168 posted on 01/07/2013 12:07:45 AM PST by Bradís Gramma (Psalm 83)
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To: ColdSteelTalon
If you can handle it a 12 gage shotgun with 00 buckshot.

00 buckshot is a macho suggestion and in a home defense weapon is a disaster waiting to happen to the homeowner, not the perp. In a house clearing operation, a load of #6 or #7 1/2 and will cut a man in half at 15 feet. The chances of this devastating shot penetrating a wall and injuring or killing a neighbor or loved one is minimized. Also, for a slightly built female with minimal self defense skills and for accessibility and ease of use and lethality, a Taurus Judge loaded with .410 defensive ball shot is a good suggestion.

169 posted on 01/07/2013 12:18:01 AM PST by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation.)
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To: ru4liberty

Training is more important than the type of gun she uses. She needs to be proficient with the firearm, but also understand its limitations and exactly how it should be used effectively to defend herself. She needs to be able to identify her defendable spaces in her home and be ready to make the split second decisions that could save her life.


170 posted on 01/07/2013 12:24:11 AM PST by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: TexasRedeye

I have a great Saiga 410 that I would sell.

it was gonna be my boat gun but dumbass laws make it cost prohibitive for me to make it a side folder.
Even as a full long arm I would never sneer at it.

Ladies handle it well with 3” 00 buck


171 posted on 01/07/2013 12:27:10 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: TexasRedeye

I got #4 buck in mine...but I aint scared of #7 either.


172 posted on 01/07/2013 12:29:39 AM PST by Vigilantcitizen (Dave Mustaine for president.)
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To: ru4liberty

Personally, I keep revolvers .38 sec and 22LR. The only time I was ever faced with anything like a home invasion, though, I used an 17th century styled small sword. Stabbed him in the foot when he stuck his foot in the door while tryin’ to force it open. It worked, but I don’t recommend it as a rule.


173 posted on 01/07/2013 12:29:45 AM PST by VietVet (I am old enough to know who I am and what I believe, and I 'm not inclined to apologize for any of)
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To: VietVet
Ye ole meat cleaver is always an option. ☺
174 posted on 01/07/2013 12:36:32 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: All

Bumming that I missed the big game lead buckshot

http://www.bandpusa.com/


175 posted on 01/07/2013 12:42:46 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: wrench

that’s what i’d rexommend, another .38. shecan shoot with both hands if necessary.


176 posted on 01/07/2013 12:44:09 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: eyedigress

.380 ?

Ruger and S&W make some really good .380 pistols.
Even when you move to 9mm compacts, they are a good size larger, but still carry-able.

Years ago I bought a .32 auto (KelTec P32). Sure, it’s a dinky “pimp gun”, but it’s always in my pocket. When other people are leaving their .45ACP autos at home or in the car, my .32 auto is right with me.


177 posted on 01/07/2013 12:47:37 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: null and void

yes but you’ve given them a potential clue to your location and they may just start shooting thru a door or wall.

if you want a shotgun, semi auto is quiet loading and fast. winchester has a semiauto defense gun.


178 posted on 01/07/2013 12:47:43 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: ru4liberty

For you, dear lady, go shoot a a few different weapons. A .38 is fine for under the pillow and the a**hole is at the bedroom door. A 12 guage is unwieldy in your house and will probably knock you on your butt. Try a semi auto .22 Magnum short barrel rifle. Very wicked round. Won’t beat you up. If not that then maybe an M1 Carbine or a 9mm carbine like a Mossberg or a Highpoint. Shoot them and you’ll see.


179 posted on 01/07/2013 12:49:38 AM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: smokingfrog

I agree.
All my pistols, ARs and shotguns have quality lights (SureFire or Insight). My 6V and 9V lights will light up a room or blind an attacker and set them up easily.

Racking the pump means you weren’t smart enough to load your gun or you decided to toss a good shell on the floor.


180 posted on 01/07/2013 12:51:01 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: mylife
diminutive woman in her mid-60s
20 ga shot gun


Agreed.
181 posted on 01/07/2013 12:57:40 AM PST by 98ZJ USMC
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Good stuff. Works on doity boids

http://www.bandpusa.com/high-pheasant-2-1-2-inch/


182 posted on 01/07/2013 12:59:16 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: ru4liberty

Let them get away so they may have another successful chance to harm someone else?
That’s not being very neighborly.


183 posted on 01/07/2013 1:19:18 AM PST by Morris70
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To: Billthedrill

I have a Taurus Judge and it will fire 410 shotgun shells. It does have a bit of recoil but with the 410 “handgun” ammo, she should be able to easily handle it. It is like having a shotgun in a revolver and it is. I love it and there is an availablity of ammo from squirrel shot to rifled slug and a special new PDX1 Defender ammo that is really bad. It will also fire 45 long colt ammunition with very minimal recoil.


184 posted on 01/07/2013 1:47:59 AM PST by cajun-jack
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To: ru4liberty
Something small, easy to handle and with not too much kick like the Smith & Wesson M&P Compact 9mm, which holds 13 powerful bullets

If the 9mm has too much kick, this model is also available in .22 caliber.
185 posted on 01/07/2013 2:05:58 AM PST by UnwashedPeasant
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To: NVDave

Good information. What do you think of laser sights?


186 posted on 01/07/2013 2:10:50 AM PST by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: ru4liberty

Get a “Judge” snake gun. It is a 6 shot revolver that shoots a 410 shell that is packed with 4 small disc and 10-12 BB’s especially designed to spread to 4 feet wide in about 8 feet. It will spread to a width of a hallway.
Perfect for homeowner protection. It can be worn legally exposed on yourself on your own property in Maryland.
Most of the problem with discharging it is the 8 pints of blood that has to be cleaned up!!!!


187 posted on 01/07/2013 2:15:28 AM PST by primatreat ("gimme me "obama EBT free money card. Hope the postman don't snitch it!)
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To: ru4liberty
Bestest and easiest?
That would be the M18/a1 Claymore mine. Once its set-up and ready to go, all the lady has to do is just 'Duck & Squeeze' - Perimeter secured and Problem solved!



Next week we can discuss the true meaning of "Daisy Chain"..Stay Safe!
188 posted on 01/07/2013 2:30:49 AM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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To: ru4liberty

Remington 870, 12 gage, 18 1/2” barrel, is best for HD. But some consideration needs to be give as to what she can physically handle. My wife is 62 and she has no problem with shooting our shotgun or Rock River LAR-15 or any of my collection of guns.

We live in the country and there are no neighbors at risk, so I use 00 buck. Your friend might do better with a 20 gage ‘youth’ gun. Heck, I would even consider a double barrel, 12 or 20 GA. The 20 ga gun my have a shorter stock and make it easier for her to more through the rooms in the house, if that becomes necessary.

She should have a gun mounted weapon light, the can cost more than the gun, but there is a $30 light that many folks use that should work fine for HD. A short barrel is best for in the home and for about $20 she should buy a “limb Savor” butt pad.

Then, get her a few boxes of low load practice rounds - bird shot and take her shooting. She needs to learn the basics and she must do some practice.

Now, some folks like to say that all the shooter needs to do is shoot in the general direction of the bad guy, because they spray. That’s kinda true, but don’t count on that-— take your best aim and shoot, and shoot, and shoot again... until the threat has stopped. Keep in mind that there is no rule that says there can be only one bad guy, there may be multiple, so her aim is important.

There can be some psychological advantage if the bad guy hears you rack a pump shotgun, but that is not a guarantee with the evil dregs that are out there anymore.

I keep my shotgun right next to my bed. It is step up such that I wouldn’t even have to get out of bed to shoot the target.

Funny, for decades I home has been just fine, but I have recently come to the conclusion that I am not as young, fast and trained as I once was. This weekend we began to plan out way to make our place even more secure, especially when we are in it, sleeping. Considering what I am doing to the doors, bag guys will be forced to work and make a great deal of noise to get in.

Oh, One more thing. I like Remington 870, but I believe that a Mossberg 500 is also a fine gun for HD. I think they are a bit less expensive than the Remington 870.

I wish you and your friend the best.......


189 posted on 01/07/2013 2:34:16 AM PST by Gator113 (**WHO in the hell gave the damn order to NOT rescue our men in Benghazi?**)
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To: ru4liberty
Not mass produced but should be

190 posted on 01/07/2013 2:37:18 AM PST by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: Marcella
Yes Ma'am!

Stay Safe.
191 posted on 01/07/2013 2:42:31 AM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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To: Alaska Wolf

My wife is 62 and during our 40 years together, she has proven to me that there isn’t anything she can’t handle. My bride would be upset if she thought we were talking about how frail she might be because of her age.


192 posted on 01/07/2013 2:45:28 AM PST by Gator113 (**WHO in the hell gave the damn order to NOT rescue our men in Benghazi?**)
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To: outofsalt

If I could find one of those that was quality, dependable and safe, I would buy one. I am often with a cane... it would be quite handy.


193 posted on 01/07/2013 2:53:31 AM PST by Gator113 (**WHO in the hell gave the damn order to NOT rescue our men in Benghazi?**)
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To: meowmeow

bfl


194 posted on 01/07/2013 2:54:43 AM PST by meowmeow (In Loving Memory of Our Dear Viking Kitty (1987-2006))
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To: ru4liberty

http://www.maverickarms.com/pages/88security.htm


195 posted on 01/07/2013 3:05:33 AM PST by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: savedbygrace

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/37_1178/products_id/411551705


196 posted on 01/07/2013 3:22:54 AM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

+1 on the 20 guage.


197 posted on 01/07/2013 3:35:39 AM PST by SAMWolf (Looking for my generations Lexington and Concord.)
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To: ru4liberty

I don’t concur with the idea of using a firearm to scare criminals away. Yes, it might work, and it has worked for me. But that said, many shootings indicated that the perp was well aware of the victim being armed.

Frankly, I think men who intend to attack a woman in her home have such a low opinion of women that they think she is incapable of “being tough”. They keep advancing on her with what I assume is the idea that they will disarm her, because she lacks the fortitude to fire.

Never plan to scare, that is a possibility, but not a plan.


198 posted on 01/07/2013 3:44:49 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: ru4liberty

I have a 12 gauge pump action shotgun. When the adrenaline is pumping, you don’t have time to aim.


199 posted on 01/07/2013 3:51:58 AM PST by Conservative_Jedi (Give me Liberty or give me Death!!)
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To: UnwashedPeasant

Why do you suggest a small handgun for HD?

If you don’t have to carry it concealed, the bigger the better, no?


200 posted on 01/07/2013 3:57:32 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved, or not at all)
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