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We're now one step closer to America's coming civil war
Fox News ^ | 01-03-013 | Arthur Herman

Posted on 01/05/2013 1:11:56 PM PST by HogsBreath

The New Year has started with a monstrosity of a budget deal, one that proves that neither political party, Democrats or Republicans, is really serious about controlling the growth of big government. But soap opera dramatics about fiscal "cliffs" and sequestration shouldn’t deflect from where President Obama is really taking this country. Consider this story from the Wall Street Journal a few days before Christmas:

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: civilwar; cwii; politics
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I am really surprised to see a mainstream news source actually use the words 'Civil War'.
1 posted on 01/05/2013 1:12:12 PM PST by HogsBreath
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To: HogsBreath; Jack Black

Bookmark Bump and possible CWII ping.


2 posted on 01/05/2013 1:15:27 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: HogsBreath

“When big government wins, we all lose...”


3 posted on 01/05/2013 1:25:25 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: HogsBreath

Yeah, I was surprised to see that as well.

It’s a very good article too.


4 posted on 01/05/2013 1:27:59 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: HogsBreath

At the time Mr Etch-a-sketch made the 47% comment I was amung that number. I didn’t want to be. I think there are a lot of people who realize who’s taking their prosperity away. I think even some OWS people could make allies once they realize who enables the ultra-rich.


5 posted on 01/05/2013 1:28:33 PM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Nowhere Man

The real civil division is the loss of the reasonable social consensus that once united America. Today values ,practices and expectations are so different between the two main groups in America that division is already defacto. Neither side shares values, likes or respects the other and each prefers as little social interaction as possible. They even prefer living in different areas. Real organized violence against each other? Doubtful. However unified action whether it involve domestic or foreign affairs will be very rare.


6 posted on 01/05/2013 1:28:53 PM PST by allendale
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To: HogsBreath

One paragraph sums up the failure of the welfare state:

Far from adding to people’s standard of living, government is the number one cause of poverty in this country. It forces those who depend on its largesse to live hand to mouth, with no time or money to plan for the future. They become unable to fend for themselves-—and increasingly resentful of those who can.

If the Civil War happens, I hope people realize just how bad it is going to be. This won’t be some regional conflict like the Union vs the Confederacy where there is a “home front” (at least until the war criminal Sherman arrived) to safely leave the women and children.

This will be Kosovo, with neighbor killing neighbor, and a trip to the store will be an expedition into a kill zone and back. This will make your typical frame home with drywall into a death trap until you line the inside with sandbags.

But, the imminent failure of the US credit-based economy and the 47% who live on that gummint teat can only take us down one road because that government has done everything it can to set the makers vs the takers at odds for the last 10 years. No one is willing to sacrifice a single luxury to fill another’s needs anymore. The battles lines have been drawn and we’re just waiting for the event that fires the first shot. (99 Luftballoons anyone??)


7 posted on 01/05/2013 1:29:12 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

“It forces those who depend on its largesse to live hand to mouth, with no time or money to plan for the future. They become unable to fend for themselves-—and increasingly resentful of those who can.”

This is very much the case with our permanent welfare class and illegals, and is spreading into those private-sector workers who are getting shafted with unnecessary H1-B replacements.


8 posted on 01/05/2013 1:34:36 PM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: HogsBreath
The article's author, Arthur Herman, wrote "Freedom's Forge: How American Business Produced Victory in World War II." I read his book late last year and HIGHLY recommend it. FDR was initially strongly in favor of a centrally-planned government-led effort to produce the munitions and equipment needed to fight WW II. Eventually he came around to understanding that free enterprise was needed to build the equipment and the key was to quickly award government contracts to companies. Automobile magnate William Knudsen and shipbuilder Henry J. Kaiser were strong leaders of the effort to marshall US enterprises to win the war. It is an outstanding story about how America USED to be able to do great things quickly. Regarding the article, headlines usually are not written by the article's author. In this case, the headline is rather sensational and doesn't really flow from the thesis of the article. But the article's fifth paragraph starts off with "Some have said my warnings about a coming civil war between makers and takers are exaggerated." So it does seem that Mr. Herman is definitely predicting a coming civil war in other writings.
9 posted on 01/05/2013 1:37:00 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: HogsBreath

Bump


10 posted on 01/05/2013 1:39:33 PM PST by Popman
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To: ProtectOurFreedom; HogsBreath
I just found that Mr. Herman wrote "America's coming civil war -- makers vs. takers" which was published July 12, 2012 on FoxNews.com.
11 posted on 01/05/2013 1:40:22 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: kearnyirish2

This is purposely being done by the Left to stay in power. Should be a breach of fiduciary, but the government scoffs at that now.


12 posted on 01/05/2013 1:42:31 PM PST by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.")
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To: HogsBreath
"Washington’s Republicans and Democrats alike have become the toll collectors on the road to serfdom–and the road to Rosario."

Not unlike this meme:

"Every year, the outlaws swing out of the trees, rob the merchants and ride back to Washington D.C. for a glorious feast..." Sultan Knish

13 posted on 01/05/2013 1:44:36 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Travis McGee
You know those hopes of yours - for your work to be looked back on, in some prosperous future, as the writings of a crackpot?

I have bad news...

14 posted on 01/05/2013 1:45:10 PM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: HogsBreath
". . . some key [events] exacerbated the national debate, fraying trust, and national cohesion just a little more each time . . . The two-party system that had governed America . . . began to fall apart . . . interest in politics took the place of all other forms of news-related entertainment . . . politicians were the celebrities . . . [Politics/ideology] was becoming such a habit, the reactions so automatic, that [journalists] taking sides on every news story became inevitable."

.. I just can't avoid thinking about this from for Love & Liberty by Robin Young and it's about 1857 America.

15 posted on 01/05/2013 1:47:11 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

The Republicans have to support the grass-roots tax revolt of the TEA Party; I don’t see how else they stay relevant.

Here in NJ we’ve laid off thousands of cops (and teachers and firemen) because we simply can’t afford them. Governor Christie took the steps locally that the Dems refuse to take nationally, to keep our state somewhat affordable.

Every laid-off cop is one less soldier for the left...


16 posted on 01/05/2013 1:48:03 PM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: HogsBreath
If this were to happen, could it be the trigger for the liberals to steal our 401K retirement funds?

I don't want to be enslaved for the rest of my life. But I don't want to give them the opportunity to steal my life savings.

17 posted on 01/05/2013 1:54:32 PM PST by A Cyrenian (Timothy Geithner - proving TurboTax is not idiot proof.)
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To: HogsBreath
Duplicate (FR title search).

We're now one step closer to America's coming civil war
01/04/2013 9:35:28 AM PST · by RoosterRedux · 78 replies FoxNews.com ^ | 12/3/2012 | Arthur Herman

I'm not surprised about Fox News publishing that at all, though. Rupert Murdoch said that he's in favor of gun control and might be in favor of further scaring folks of his class into supporting it.


18 posted on 01/05/2013 1:56:22 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: HogsBreath
Rupert Murdoch, Fox News Owner, Calls for Automatic Weapons Ban
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2969123/posts

Murdoch calls for automatic weapons ban
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2968913/posts


19 posted on 01/05/2013 1:58:29 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Bryanw92

I am sure the author is using attention grabbing words with the hope of selling more books, but I am afraid of the power of self-fulfilling prophecy. However, we can only go so long ignoring the elephant in the room.


20 posted on 01/05/2013 2:03:46 PM PST by HogsBreath
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