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Woman hiding with kids shoots intruder (GA)
WSBTV.com ^ | 01/04/2012 | wsbtv.com

Posted on 01/05/2013 6:29:28 AM PST by aimhigh

LOGANVILLE, Ga. —A woman hiding in her attic with children shot an intruder multiple times before fleeing to safety Friday.

The incident happened at a home on Henderson Ridge Lane in Loganville around 1 p.m. The woman was working in an upstairs office when she spotted a strange man outside a window, according to Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman. He said she took her 9-year-old twins to a crawlspace before the man broke in using a crowbar.

But the man eventually found the family. "The perpetrator opens that door. Of course, at that time he's staring at her, her two children and a .38 revolver,"

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; homeinvasion; personaldefense; secondamendment
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To: the OlLine Rebel
...They don’t all have to be dead.

The dead don't sue. Nor do they return upon release.

51 posted on 01/05/2013 8:00:39 AM PST by Tonytitan
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To: aimhigh

Liberals hate this. In the liberal “mind” the “oppressed downtrodden” criminal should be able to just waltz in and take whatever is “rightfully” his.


52 posted on 01/05/2013 8:03:20 AM PST by I want the USA back (Liberalism is the irreparable breakdown of the mind's ability to reason.)
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To: aimhigh

Bump.


53 posted on 01/05/2013 8:05:01 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Real republicans are loyal to the core principles of the republic. www.aprealrepublicans.com)
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To: Popman
VERY few people live...

But dumb animals do.

54 posted on 01/05/2013 8:06:12 AM PST by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: OldEagle

“God bless this woman. I hope she understands that she was defending her family and I pray she has no problems from her actions”

Her husband is darn proud of her. He called her a hero on last night’s local news.


55 posted on 01/05/2013 8:06:34 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: Mom MD

***But I believe a.38 is a revolver. 6 chambers, no magazine.***

So? They were the hot items to ban back in the 1970s. They will be hot again if a AW ban passes.

It has always been about handguns. Assault rifles are just a decoy to try and get their anti-gun foot in the door.

Once they get a ban on AWs then they will use the same reasons to go after handguns.

John Kennedy killed with a 5 shot bolt action rifle.

Bobby Kennedy with a .22 Iver Johnson Cadet revolver.

George Wallace wounded with a 5 shot Charter Arms .38spl revolver.

Gerald Ford attacked with a 7 shot 1911 semi auto.

Edmond OK post office with two National Guard 7 shot 1911 pistols.

Ronald Reagan and Jim Brady with an RG-14 .22 revolver.

What do they all have in common? NONE over 7 rounds, yet after each one came a cry of panic to ban them.


56 posted on 01/05/2013 8:07:42 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (GUNS.. the rightful property of freemen, and formidable only to tyrannical governments.”)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

“Then we can see if he changes, having been shot within inches of his life.”

My guess is that he will sue her—he’s a member of the entitlement, obamaphone club and had been released from prison not long ago.


57 posted on 01/05/2013 8:08:30 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: Rusty0604

Not necessarily target rounds. Each shooting is unique. There are reports of criminals soaking up a dozen police 9mm hollow point rounds and still fighting. There are also documented cases of perps being shot in the head with a 45 Auto and still being a threat, as well as some taking at least one round of 12 ga 00 buck center of mass and still shooting back.

My home defense round is a 38sp wadcutter loaded to max 38 sp velocity. It will do the job.

This woman was trying to protect herself and her children, she did just fine, mission accomplished.


58 posted on 01/05/2013 8:10:12 AM PST by wrench
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To: VanDeKoik

“This women could have easily called the police and had them take care of this instead of brandishing a dangerous firearm, which only made the house a target to start! Way to turn an otherwise safe home into a wild west shootout!”

You think like me. I would have posted something very similar on their site, if possible. I also would have called her an idiot for being home during the day without an armed guard.

People need to better understand the gun-grabbers.


59 posted on 01/05/2013 8:11:59 AM PST by BobL
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To: X-spurt
You just won the stupidest post of the day and its only 9 am!

Nooo, I think you did...

60 posted on 01/05/2013 8:18:31 AM PST by CAluvdubya (We're doomed....)
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To: KevinB
Don't blame the attorneys. They're simply doing their jobs.

Immoral acts are immoral acts, it doesn't matter that it is an accepted definition of the profession.

The fact that judges and juries don't override all of the immoral crap that a lawyer comes up with doesn't excuse the lawyer from their decisions.

Taking a tort case is totally voluntary. When a lawyer facilitates an immoral action, they are not "just doing their job". They are personally responsible.

When I hear a lawyer state, "Its not about justice, its about the law." I know that they are just a prostitute.

61 posted on 01/05/2013 8:21:21 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: ConservativeInPA

The M193 load is the only one I’ll use in our AR’s and M16.I prefer the original twist rate of the M16 too.If the situation deteriorates to point that you actually have to shoot people,then the inhumanity of the wounds inflicted is NOT a consideration.


62 posted on 01/05/2013 8:22:09 AM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: X-spurt
Even on 2nd read, my 1st reply stands and now includes “terrible writing skills”.

Never, ever, ever admit you goofed or just didn't get it....

63 posted on 01/05/2013 8:28:12 AM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: Farmer Dean
I prefer the original twist rate of the M16 too.

I build my own ARs. It is very difficult to get barrels with the original twist rate of an M16. By original, I mean an M16A1. (it is also very difficult to get ahold of barrels of any twist rate today.) I have barrels of various twist rates. A faster twist rate will stabilize a heavier projectile, so it is needed for loads like a M885 or heavier. I also have loads that use 40 gr. projectiles, much lighter than a M193. What I am going for in a lighter projectile is a very high velocity for the purpose of penetration of body armor, not fragmentation. It is a different approach than green tip penetrators (M885). I picked that up from a guy I know who works for the Secret Service and buys his reloading supplies from the same gun shop that I do.

64 posted on 01/05/2013 8:47:12 AM PST by ConservativeInPA
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To: ElkGroveDan
"Even though the guy survived, you really can't fault the woman's shooting. She did a nice head-to-torso placement of her rounds and tagged him 5 of 6. He was apparently just lucky. "

I agree. a .38 should be sufficient.

The guy is extremely lucky.

He'll get well and be a menace again...he probably has no education and no prospect of a job...ever.

Society would have benefited from his death. A non-productive parasite.

65 posted on 01/05/2013 9:01:31 AM PST by blam
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To: blam

What do mean no prospect of a job? Looks like he has a great future as a target. He’s just not a very good burglar or driver.


66 posted on 01/05/2013 9:11:02 AM PST by EandH Dad (sleeping giants wake up REALLY grumpy)
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To: LadyBuck

Imagine trying to wield a shotgun from a utility space, though I can’t get clear whether it was an attic or a crawl space. Maybe a twenty, but not a twelve...you might not have the aiming and elbow room...does anyone here have a Judge?


67 posted on 01/05/2013 9:17:23 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: aimhigh
A coming-soon Headline:

"She could have just asked him to leave."
White On Black Crime
Obama/Holder Department of Just Us and Our People to investigate crime.

Another case: Mother of Florida man who chewed off the face of another man said that the police should have subdued her son, they did not have to shoot him.

Comment: The lucrative civil rights industry credo: Never let an opportunity go to waste. . . .

68 posted on 01/05/2013 9:24:49 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: ConservativeInPA

I did a test on bulet penetration.Loaded the M193 bullet in a .22-250 @3650fsp.I used old John Deere plow shares for the target,very tough steel.THe M80 7.62 load when fired from my HK 91 would not penetrate,sometimes the plow share would be broken in half -but no penetration.The M193 bullet blew 3/8 inch diameter holes through the plowshare every time.Looked more like a hole made by a cutting torch.


69 posted on 01/05/2013 9:31:58 AM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: X-spurt

He/she was kidding. Read the post!


70 posted on 01/05/2013 9:32:30 AM PST by ataDude (Its like 1933, mixed with the Carter 70s, plus the books 1984 and Animal Farm, all at the same time.)
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To: BobL

When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.


71 posted on 01/05/2013 9:53:44 AM PST by OldEagle
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To: Graybeard58
She should've had what I keep meaning to get.


72 posted on 01/05/2013 10:04:10 AM PST by Lady Jag (If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat. - Reagan)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

A dead perp stays reformed.


73 posted on 01/05/2013 10:12:42 AM PST by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: VanDeKoik

Yes. and she could have shot him in the arm or the leg. She didn’t have to shoot him in the face. She was just trying to kill him. I bet her gun was black. it sounds like an assault one


74 posted on 01/05/2013 10:35:23 AM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: C210N
Great argument for 30-round magazines, as well...

I agree, but the problem I find is that many women lack the hand strength to operate the slide on a semiautomatic. I took my wife to the range and had her fire my 9 mm semi and also my .38 revolver. She decided she wants a 9 mm like mine.

A few nights later I removed the ammunition from my weapon and asked her to pull the slide back. She couldn't do it. I then took a round out of the clip and showed her how to insert it into the clip. Again, the spring was too strong for her.

I think I'm going to have to get her a revolver rather than a semiautomatic. If any knowledgeable FReepers have alternative suggestions I'd love to hear them. I want a weapon she can carry in her pocket book and can handle. I thought of a Ruger LCP, but the recoil is a bit powerful on that piece.


75 posted on 01/05/2013 10:45:47 AM PST by gitmo ( If your theology doesn't become your biography it's useless.)
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To: Mamzelle
"Imagine trying to wield a shotgun from a utility space, though I can’t get clear whether it was an attic or a crawl space. Maybe a twenty, but not a twelve...you might not have the aiming and elbow room...does anyone here have a Judge?"

Kel-Tec KSG 15 bullpup pump shotgun. Two magazines, 14 3" shells (or 25 is you go with short home defenseloads).

76 posted on 01/05/2013 10:46:15 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: C210N
Great argument for 30-round magazines, as well...

Worth repeating in letters to the editor, and comments to articles in the MSM. Saving yourself and your children in a real life crime situation often requires more than 6, or even 10 rounds. Criminals aren't necessarily immobilized by a single wound, or even multiple wounds, and anyone defending their life is likely to miss with some shots. And more than one criminal is often present at the crime scene.

The simple question for liberal gun grabbers should be, if large capacity magazines aren't needed, then why do the police and the military use them? After all, they have back up, and arrive at a crime scene with the advantage of team mates and knowledge of what the problem they are facing is. So they should be able to get by with smaller magazine capacities than a citizen who has to respond to a surprise attack by themselves.

77 posted on 01/05/2013 10:48:55 AM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Why is everyone picking on a .38 6-shooter? Could’ve been a 5-shooter like mine, too. Did the job it had to do. The guy is on life support and was disabled. They don’t all have to be dead.

Because "dead" is safer.....

78 posted on 01/05/2013 11:04:29 AM PST by papertyger
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To: X-spurt
This is the real issue. people who have police that respond quickly or people who think they have police that respond quickly vote against guns. But people who know that calling the police is a waste of time because it will be twenty minutes or longer before they arrive know that a gun or the possibility of a gun is the only thing that keeps them from the thugs that roam this land.

Personally I like dogs too. My 155 pound English Mastiff will tell me when someone is coming, make them think twice, and defend me with her life.

79 posted on 01/05/2013 11:12:00 AM PST by poinq
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To: ConservativeInPA
...plus probably legal action and potentially being sued by the criminal. Too bad she didn’t kill this piece of human excrement.

Now you know the REAL reason trial lawyers (democrat party's number one contributors) hate "Stand Your Ground" laws!

80 posted on 01/05/2013 11:12:02 AM PST by papertyger
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To: sergeantdave

Is that legal?


81 posted on 01/05/2013 11:13:13 AM PST by gitmo ( If your theology doesn't become your biography it's useless.)
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To: Mom MD
I think she probably hammered away on center mass - just like she should have.

Clear example of a self-refuting statement.....

82 posted on 01/05/2013 11:16:56 AM PST by papertyger
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Why is everyone picking on a .38 6-shooter? Could’ve been a 5-shooter like mine, too. Did the job it had to do. The guy is on life support and was disabled. They don’t all have to be dead.

Agreed. The objective is to stop the guy.


83 posted on 01/05/2013 11:18:44 AM PST by gitmo ( If your theology doesn't become your biography it's useless.)
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To: jsanders2001
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again - Satan was only a musician part time; his real profession - an attorney

Utterly BRILLIANT!

84 posted on 01/05/2013 11:20:00 AM PST by papertyger
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To: freeandfreezing

In the movies they all go down on one shot.


85 posted on 01/05/2013 11:28:30 AM PST by poinq
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To: freeandfreezing

In the movies they all go down on one shot.


86 posted on 01/05/2013 11:28:49 AM PST by poinq
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To: X-spurt

He forgot the < /sarc> or the < /lib> tags.


87 posted on 01/05/2013 11:31:32 AM PST by gitmo ( If your theology doesn't become your biography it's useless.)
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To: Pollster1
"The woman then shot him five times, but he survived . . . Slater was shot in the face and neck".

I guarantee you they were not PDX1 JHP rounds.

88 posted on 01/05/2013 11:32:15 AM PST by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Venturer
I hope the surgeon who operates is blind and operates with a chain saw.

The hospital released a photo of his surgeon:


89 posted on 01/05/2013 11:32:55 AM PST by COBOL2Java (kak-is-toc-ra-cy: Government by the least qualified or most unprincipled citizens. See: GOP-e)
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To: Morris70

My instructor told us to avoid EVER making statements like that. In the event you have to shoot someone those quotes can be used against you.

He advised us to administer CPR until the authorities arrive.


90 posted on 01/05/2013 11:34:14 AM PST by gitmo ( If your theology doesn't become your biography it's useless.)
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To: KevinB
Don't blame the attorneys. They're simply doing their jobs.

So are the criminals.

91 posted on 01/05/2013 11:36:33 AM PST by gitmo ( If your theology doesn't become your biography it's useless.)
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To: ElkGroveDan
“slater has been placed on a ventilator and suffers from punctured lungs, a punctured liver and a punctured stomach.”

Multifariously punctured, as the poet said.

Color him ventilated.

92 posted on 01/05/2013 11:37:30 AM PST by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: gitmo

You have to get her to think “bigger” not smaller.

The heavier the slide, the less need for a badass recoil spring.


93 posted on 01/05/2013 11:39:44 AM PST by papertyger
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To: raybbr
Never too proud to say I was wrong..... when wrong.

This instance, no way. Either the poster meant it or has inability to even rudimentarily state their sarcasm. I will accept your opinions it was not meant seriously.

94 posted on 01/05/2013 11:53:39 AM PST by X-spurt (Republic of Texas, Come and Take It!)
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To: Popman

Chapman said Slater has four exit wounds.

hmmmm....guess that means two bullets still in his body. I know, let the docs use the perp's crowbar to probe for the unrecovered ones. And rules say, no fair using x-rays, MRIs, etc to find the wound channel. Not even lights, just keep jiggling the crowbar in the dark until you hear the clank of metal on metal. Then use a rusty post hole digger to dilate said wound channel and voila, pluck it out with full hand insertion.

Works every time. Saw Idi Amin do it on the teevee.

95 posted on 01/05/2013 12:04:11 PM PST by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: papertyger

Thanks, papertyger. I’ve asked a lot of people that question. That’s the first answer that makes sense.


96 posted on 01/05/2013 12:05:45 PM PST by gitmo ( If your theology doesn't become your biography it's useless.)
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To: Gaffer

Have you personally tested Dynamic Research Technologies ammo? I’ve read lots of opinions on the ammo, but nobody has actually confirmed or contradicted the claims.


97 posted on 01/05/2013 12:14:59 PM PST by gitmo ( If your theology doesn't become your biography it's useless.)
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To: gitmo

De Nada.

The easiest to manipulate gun I own happens to be a full size XD .45. Now, when it goes off, that’s a different matter, but even that can be mitigated by lighter ammunition....185 grain, as opposed to the standard 230 grain.

I think some of the specialty stuff even goes down to like 135 grains, but that’s probably too expensive for practice.

When it comes to recoil managment, I like to tell women to think of it as a fishing pole in reverse. Instead of pull, you get a push.

They may not like the recoil. It may even scare them. But it is certainly nothing that someone with the physical strength to drive a car can’t learn to handle. You might want to make her a playlist of YouTube videos on recoil managment and “how to shoot a handgun.” By the time she’s finished watching, she’ll at least be comfortable with the “concept” of recoil, and may even be willing to try some of the bigger doggies.


98 posted on 01/05/2013 12:28:51 PM PST by papertyger
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To: ElkGroveDan
"slater has been placed on a ventilator and suffers from punctured lungs, a punctured liver and a punctured stomach."
Even though the guy survived, you really can't fault the woman's shooting. She did a nice head-to-torso placement of her rounds and tagged him 5 of 6. He was apparently just lucky.

The only improvement would have been for her to use hollow points.

99 posted on 01/05/2013 12:42:38 PM PST by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Oatka
The only improvement would have been for her to use hollow points.

Nonsense!

How many of these situations do we have to see before the gun community starts collectively advocating "failure drill" over the thoroughly discredited "center-of-mass" protocol?

100 posted on 01/05/2013 12:48:57 PM PST by papertyger
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