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Guardian: Paedophiles are 'ordinary members of society' who need moral support
The Telegraph ^ | January 3rd, 2013 | Damian Thompson

Posted on 01/03/2013 3:55:05 PM PST by Salman

Britain's most persecuted minority have found a new advocate. An article this morning in the Guardian by feature writer Jon Henley addresses misconceptions about paedophiles, quoting one "expert" who believes that: "It is the quality of the relationship that matters".

No, this is not not some sick send-up on my part. "If there's no bullying, no coercion, no abuse of power," says Tom O'Carroll, "if the child enters into the relationship voluntarily … the evidence shows there need be no harm."

O'Carroll is a former chairman of the Paedophile Information Exchange with a conviction for distributing indecent photographs. The Guardian acknowledges this, but gives him a respectful hearing and points out that "some academics do not dispute" his views.

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.telegraph.co.uk ...


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You wanted to know "what next?"

This is what next.

1 posted on 01/03/2013 3:55:13 PM PST by Salman
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To: Salman

Purely Satanic influences. The amount of damage pedophiles do is immeasurable.


2 posted on 01/03/2013 3:58:05 PM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: Salman

The only support they need is walking up the gallo steps.


3 posted on 01/03/2013 3:58:55 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Salman
The really sad part? If obama got caught boinking a 9 year old in the Rose Garden at high noon, THIS is how the MSM would spin it.
4 posted on 01/03/2013 4:00:57 PM PST by null and void (The world is full of Maple Streets.)
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To: Salman

Any freakin pedophile that puts his hands on my kids will receive 11 warnings to stop (more if I can reload), in .40.


5 posted on 01/03/2013 4:03:49 PM PST by GeorgiaDawg32
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To: Salman

He's right. A sturdy gallows and a nice rope would provide all the support a predator who harms children needs.

6 posted on 01/03/2013 4:04:56 PM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Salman
Proper support is needed if you want it to work right.


7 posted on 01/03/2013 4:05:05 PM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: Salman

(Bailey said that while he also found the notion “disturbing”, he was forced to recognise that “persuasive evidence for the harmfulness of paedophilic relationships does not yet exist”.)

I beg to differ. Just ask the ten percent of the population that is homosexual if they were sexually abuse as a child.
This attitude is disgusting. Does he really think Pedophiles are going to out themselves so they can be held accountable? Hope he’s not holding his breath on that one.


8 posted on 01/03/2013 4:05:12 PM PST by happilymarriedmom
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To: Salman

Not exactly pedophilia but sick just the same.

Just today our local news reported that a local man had been arrested for having sex with his 18 year old daughter. The news said that he had been recently reunited with her after the mother won custody when she was a little girl.

Apparently mother knew best years ago.


9 posted on 01/03/2013 4:06:11 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Salman

Santorum warned us about this. What’s next? Zoophilia / bestiality.


10 posted on 01/03/2013 4:06:21 PM PST by rfp1234 (Arguing with a liberal is like playing chess with a pigeon.)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

Then the author of this article would not mind having a paroled pervert share a room with his children as a 1/2 way house?


11 posted on 01/03/2013 4:06:30 PM PST by Fai Mao
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To: Pollster1
Beat me by NINE seconds.

Great Minds think alike I suppose.

12 posted on 01/03/2013 4:07:12 PM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: KC_Lion

I beat you by nine seconds, but you chose a much better picture.


13 posted on 01/03/2013 4:08:28 PM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Fai Mao

Read the article. You are misjudging the author.

He’s on our side.


14 posted on 01/03/2013 4:08:45 PM PST by Salman
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To: Salman

Who are we to judge with our Judeo-Christian, hetero- and adult-centric prejudices?


15 posted on 01/03/2013 4:09:59 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (The shooter in CT was a Satanist. Curtail Satanists' First Amendment Rights for the Children!)
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To: Salman

This is just a logical extension of moral relativism: anything is permissible as long as you decide it is.

It wouldn’t surprise me to hear more so-called experts defend incest, bestiality, and necrophilia with the same arguments.


16 posted on 01/03/2013 4:11:04 PM PST by Cato in PA (Land of the free and the home of the brave? Wrong on both counts.)
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To: happilymarriedmom
(Bailey said that while he also found the notion “disturbing”, he was forced to recognise that “persuasive evidence for the harmfulness of paedophilic relationships does not yet exist”.)

I beg to differ. Just ask the ten percent of the population that is homosexual if they were sexually abuse as a child.

That's the trick though. If you redefine the effects as being equal and harmless, then presto, there are no harmful effects.

17 posted on 01/03/2013 4:11:24 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Pollster1
Thank You,

Either way those people deserve to a dance at the end of a short rope.


18 posted on 01/03/2013 4:12:51 PM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: Salman

This is what next.

**
Sadly, yes.


19 posted on 01/03/2013 4:14:21 PM PST by Bigg Red (Sorry, Mr. Franklin, I guess we couldn't keep it.)
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To: KC_Lion

Southern Negro soldier hanged for desertion.


20 posted on 01/03/2013 4:15:22 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: svcw

I was was going to say a rope and an oak tree but I like yours.


21 posted on 01/03/2013 4:16:18 PM PST by Taxbilly
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To: Salman

While there have already been radical icons like Alan Ginsberg (who was a noted member of NAMBLA), I believe that the socialists will attempt to take this mainstream. The progressives will start brainwashing the college students. It’ll spread to school teachers and the radical clergy next. We’ll be asked to “understand” the motives of these creatures. Eventually, people who don’t want to see their kids raped will be painted by the media as extremists.


22 posted on 01/03/2013 4:18:38 PM PST by Buddy Sorrell ( John Boehner is our Pierre Laval. We need a Charles DeGaulle.)
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To: Lazamataz

And so does pornography — which is almost unavoidable in our present society.


23 posted on 01/03/2013 4:19:08 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: happilymarriedmom

“Just ask the ten percent of the population that is homosexual “

I heard between 1 and 3 percent.


24 posted on 01/03/2013 4:20:16 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: SkyDancer
Opps,

Didn't mean it like that.

Either way I hope you get the point.

25 posted on 01/03/2013 4:23:59 PM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: Salman

Even libs and lefties have a hard time letting some adult play doctor with their kids.


26 posted on 01/03/2013 4:23:59 PM PST by Dallas59 (America died a little bit more on 11/6/2012)
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To: Salman

You can’t have a meaningful relationship with a child as some pedo activists (who are all gay, mind you) claim. As soon as the child attains puberty, the pedo would lose interest in them. It’s absurd to think otherwise.

Some scientists speculate that pedophilia evolved as a survival strategy (albeit a very poor one) in man’s early days. If a child was groomed to respond to you sexually, then you could impregnant her as soon as she was able to. Of course then you’d just move on to the next child and not care for her or your new offspring. Thus, the pedo benefited by passing on his genes at everyone else’s expense.


27 posted on 01/03/2013 4:25:34 PM PST by Strk321
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To: Salman
Next stop: the Rat Party’s 2016 Platform
28 posted on 01/03/2013 4:27:35 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (When Robbing Peter To Pay Paul,One Can Always Count On Paul's Cooperation)
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To: Salman

The last taboo, or would that be incest? Brother-sister marriage next?


29 posted on 01/03/2013 4:30:52 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: Salman

The last taboo, or would that be incest? Brother-sister marriage next?


30 posted on 01/03/2013 4:31:16 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: Salman

As many have predicted with the recognition of homosexual marriages comes the move to the idea that “pedophiles” need “love too”.

Pathetic.


31 posted on 01/03/2013 4:34:19 PM PST by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: Salman

Who didn’t see this coming?


32 posted on 01/03/2013 4:35:13 PM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: Salman
Why not cats and dogs and other animals??


33 posted on 01/03/2013 4:38:23 PM PST by Dallas59 (America died a little bit more on 11/6/2012)
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To: Salman

Translation. Someone at the Guardian is/or/has a close friend who is a pedophile.


34 posted on 01/03/2013 4:44:12 PM PST by Beowulf9
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To: Salman

Can a woman be a pedophile?


35 posted on 01/03/2013 4:49:27 PM PST by Misterioso ( "Those who grant sympathy to guilt, grant none to innocence." - Ayn Rand)
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To: null and void

Odinga could eat a live negro fetus on the set of “The View” and he’d be lauded for performing a post-partum abortion.


36 posted on 01/03/2013 4:57:57 PM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: Salman
SPJNK...(some people just need killed).

Pray to God you or anyone is sucked into this madness.

FMCDH(BITS)

37 posted on 01/03/2013 5:00:46 PM PST by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: Salman
Any "professional" or other that maintains that without intimidation, physical threats or genuine violence, etc. there is little or minimal "harm," need only ask the adult "survivor," and I do use the word "survivor" intentionally, if they would recommend sexual connections between adults and children.

If that adult "survivor" is not nor has been involved in adult/child relationships since attaining adulthood, ask them what thier grown up lives and especially sexual lives have been like.

I dare say, these "survivors" will tell of years of dysfunctional living/therapy, issues of loss of self-esteem, difficulty in maintaining long term relationships and/or intimate relationships with the opposite sex.

When the adult/child sex is ongoing and especially occurs in the home, psychotherapists tend to treat the patient as one would treat someone who had been in a concentration camp or been a prisoner of war, because symptoms are similar to being held against one's will.

If any of this sounds like the result is "minimal" or "not harmful," you clearly do not get the picture. Whether or not the child has been physically abused, being sexually used for the pleasure of an adult, is never "not harmful" and the effects are lifelong. Whether "seduction," alcohol and/or drug induce is present, the fact remains that a real live innocent child is being defiled by an adult purely for the wicked pleasure of an adult that either cannot or will not bother to develop adult/adult relationships.

It is that adult that uses whatever he or she finds necessary to gain power, either physical or emotional over a child. That is never anything healthy nor helpful for the child.

38 posted on 01/03/2013 5:03:08 PM PST by zerosix (Native sunflower)
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To: nothingnew; Salman
Pray to God you or anyone is NOT sucked into this madness.

FMCDH(BITS)

39 posted on 01/03/2013 5:05:13 PM PST by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: Salman

No they are not normal unless you are one.


40 posted on 01/03/2013 5:08:15 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: KC_Lion

Yep - no wurries


41 posted on 01/03/2013 5:14:10 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: happilymarriedmom

10% of the population is NOT homosexual. It’s more like 2%. And, yes, many are because of pedophiles.


42 posted on 01/03/2013 5:14:41 PM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: Salman

This is the reason Paterno couldn’t get rid of Sandusky back in 1998 after he kicked him off the football team.


43 posted on 01/03/2013 5:21:14 PM PST by RedwM
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To: Salman

I think they mean “pedophile”.

A Paedophile is someone who likes sex with dolls.


44 posted on 01/03/2013 5:26:01 PM PST by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: Salman
Exactly. These jerks will eventually push for a Jerry Sandusky statue to replace the Joe Paterno statue. Then they will hail him as a hero for teaching those boys their "true" sexuality. The sick b*st*rds want us all to believe they are normal and we normal people are sick.
45 posted on 01/03/2013 5:30:10 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Salman

SPJNK.


46 posted on 01/03/2013 5:36:11 PM PST by carriage_hill ("I meant to say maggot, but I have a lisp.")
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To: happilymarriedmom

About two and a half percent of men are homosexual. Women are a little more malleable in their sexuality, so the percentage changes with the fashion of the times and circumstances.


47 posted on 01/03/2013 5:37:23 PM PST by heartwood
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To: svcw
...walking up the gallo steps...

Sure, such a person can always have a preacher with them for support.

48 posted on 01/03/2013 5:57:29 PM PST by GingisK
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To: rfp1234
Santorum warned us about this. What’s next? Zoophilia / bestiality.

Yes. Seriously ... yes.

They're calling it interspecies relationships or speciesism or something like that.

Folks, when society has opened its doors for one sort of perversion it can't close it to others. Everything is equal and the same and deserving of protection under the law.

We shall reap what we have sown.

49 posted on 01/03/2013 6:02:20 PM PST by Lizavetta (You get what you tolerate)
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Yes indeed; next on the agenda - mass public indoctrination of "pedophilia is good", and anyone opposed is a knuckle dragging hater. Maybe some people thought I was an extremist when I started saying this ten years ago. I wasn't an extremelist but a realist. They are after our children, and CPS is often larded (usually??) with perverts and their assistants.

50 posted on 01/03/2013 6:07:33 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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