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Krauthammer On Fiscal Cliff Deal: "A Complete Surrender On Everything" (video)
RealClearPolitics ^ | January 1, 2013 | RealClearPolitics

Posted on 01/01/2013 4:57:01 PM PST by i88schwartz

CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: It's possible that this is a prelude to a challenge, Thursday, to Boehner's leadership by Eric Cantor. I think it would be quite naked to do it at this late hour as a result of a split over the vote.

Look, there are a lot of conservatives in the Republican caucus in the House who hate the bill, and for good reason. This is a complete surrender on everything. The ratio of tax hikes to spending cuts is 40:1 rather than 1:1, or 1:2 or 1:3. So, it was a complete rout by the Democrats. So it's understandable.

I think what's likely to happen is that the leadership is going to look to get the 218 that it could secure to send the bill back to the Senate with an equal number of spending cuts. If they don’t get it, I think what Boehner will do is have an open vote -- as you say, unwhipped. Republicans will vote as they wish. They'll probably be enough with all the Democrats to pass this.

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KEYWORDS: charleskrauthammer; ericcantor; fiscalcliff; johnboehner
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1 posted on 01/01/2013 4:57:18 PM PST by i88schwartz
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To: i88schwartz

saw this coming since the debt ceiling “deal”


2 posted on 01/01/2013 4:58:09 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: i88schwartz

I think I’m getting ill as the realization of how close the end of our country really is


3 posted on 01/01/2013 5:04:28 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: i88schwartz

Suckers, all of us. We thought by voting for the “R” candidates that we were getting Republicans, not just more Democrats. F’ them all, it’s sickening.


4 posted on 01/01/2013 5:04:53 PM PST by roadcat
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To: i88schwartz

I loathe, dispose, and hurl at the Obamadork.

I just wish I could flush Bonehead....the most useless “thing” since the appendix.


5 posted on 01/01/2013 5:05:15 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: i88schwartz

No doubt. This will be a historic rout of the Bonehead led GOP.
A cave of epic proportion .


6 posted on 01/01/2013 5:05:15 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: i88schwartz
Oh wow! Great observation Charles...I mean really, you're just spot on!

Sorry, but this guy doesn't impress me at all. He'll most likely come out next week instructing us on Boehner’s brilliance.

This guy is nothing but an establishment type who helped push this crap on us.

7 posted on 01/01/2013 5:07:04 PM PST by Artcore
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To: roadcat

We got Republicans not conservatives. And, we are paying for it now.


8 posted on 01/01/2013 5:11:05 PM PST by Buddy Sorrell ( Boehner, our Vichy Speaker)
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To: Artcore
This guy is nothing but an establishment type who helped push this crap on us.

Krauthammer-bashing is oh-so fashionable amongst a certain element on FR.

Please provide me with one -- just one -- cite that illustrates your assertion. Until then, I will assume you're just following the crowd to be popular.

9 posted on 01/01/2013 5:20:21 PM PST by BfloGuy (Money, like chocolate on a hot oven, was melting in the pockets of the people..)
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To: roadcat

I am still trying to understand what the House GOP was supposed to do. They had one chance to set the terms with the Plan B option. That was killed in pursuit of purism. So, what else? I am totally lost here.


10 posted on 01/01/2013 5:21:25 PM PST by indianrightwinger
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To: roadcat

I am still trying to understand what the House GOP was supposed to do. They had one chance to set the terms with the Plan B option. That was killed in pursuit of purism. So, what else? I am totally lost here.


11 posted on 01/01/2013 5:21:43 PM PST by indianrightwinger
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To: i88schwartz

I’ve never voted for a Democrat in my life.
I have no intention of ever voting for a Republican again. What’s the point?

I’m a third party man now. But, really, I don’t think the electoral process matters anymore. Nothing will change until after the war.


12 posted on 01/01/2013 5:23:36 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: tennmountainman

The trouble with kicking the can down the road, as a strategy to cope with the looming problems, is that eventually you run out of road.

The web of “social safety net” programs, which has so successfully ensnared such a large part of the voting public, is eventually going to have to cut back, paying something like the equivalent of pennies on the dollar, if it is not simply abandoned altogether. We have seen these schemes collapse elsewhere, and the human wreckage is pitiful to look upon. When corrective measures finally are taken, they shall be much more draconian than most people now imagine. Real privation, real starvation, is a haunting probability, if not a certainty.

It does not have to be. Probably 75% of the problem that we face is the rigidly doctrinaire application of a program to “change” the nature of this country “fundamentally”, by implementation of poorly-thought-out social engineering schemes.

The marketplace is thought, by some, to be much too chaotic, and must be regulated with a firm hand, punitive if necessary, just to keep down “excesses”, though it is never explained just why these “excesses” are not part of the greater good. The “excesses” are what fund all real human progress, building the factories and laboratories and research institutes, and powering the everyday commerce between people.


13 posted on 01/01/2013 5:24:51 PM PST by alloysteel (Bronco Bama - the cowboy who whooped up and widened the stampede.)
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To: BfloGuy

You asked for one — just one — cite that illustrates the fact that Krauthammer is an establishment type:

http://www.therightperspective.org/2011/01/13/krauthammer-trashes-palin-praises-obama/


14 posted on 01/01/2013 5:26:15 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: Buddy Sorrell

Face it people, it’s over. Sad but a fact. Sad for my grandchildren.


15 posted on 01/01/2013 5:28:10 PM PST by Gysmo
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To: Buddy Sorrell

Face it people, it’s over. Sad but a fact. Sad for my grandchildren.


16 posted on 01/01/2013 5:28:15 PM PST by Gysmo
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To: Buddy Sorrell

Face it people, it’s over. Sad but a fact. Sad for my grandchildren.


17 posted on 01/01/2013 5:28:15 PM PST by Gysmo
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To: Buddy Sorrell

Face it people, it’s over. Sad but a fact. Sad for my grandchildren.


18 posted on 01/01/2013 5:28:15 PM PST by Gysmo
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To: Buddy Sorrell

Face it people, it’s over. Sad but a fact. Sad for my grandchildren.


19 posted on 01/01/2013 5:28:15 PM PST by Gysmo
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To: Buddy Sorrell

Face it people, it’s over. Sad but a fact. Sad for my grandchildren.


20 posted on 01/01/2013 5:28:46 PM PST by Gysmo
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To: Buddy Sorrell

Face it people, it’s over. Sad but a fact. Sad for my grandchildren.


21 posted on 01/01/2013 5:28:46 PM PST by Gysmo
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To: Buddy Sorrell

Face it people, it’s over. Sad but a fact. Sad for my grandchildren.


22 posted on 01/01/2013 5:28:48 PM PST by Gysmo
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To: indianrightwinger

Maybe Boehner’s Tea Party Putsch wasn’t such a good idea, eh?


23 posted on 01/01/2013 5:31:50 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Gysmo

Damn, man, how many grand kids do you have?


24 posted on 01/01/2013 5:32:38 PM PST by IrishPennant
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To: Gysmo
Apparently very sad. :o)
25 posted on 01/01/2013 5:32:53 PM PST by mykroar (BAD-ANON: One Game At A Time)
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To: i88schwartz
there are a lot of conservatives in the Republican caucus in the House

(snicker) (chuckle) (snort) Hee hee... Haaa haaaa... BWAHHAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

Stop it, please, it hurts, you're killing me, Chuck!

26 posted on 01/01/2013 5:35:13 PM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: alloysteel

This confirms what many of us have observed. These DC Hacks on both
sides are unwilling or unable to make the painful choices to save this country. I.e spending cuts.
Tax increases may delay it, but the only outcome left is a collapse.
One would have to be in denial not to see what is coming at the end of
the road. If these hacks are incapable or unwilling to address the real
issue, what outcome is left?


27 posted on 01/01/2013 5:36:56 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: IrishPennant

I now have a Cabernet-infused iPad. Thanks. You owe me one.


28 posted on 01/01/2013 5:49:09 PM PST by ImaGraftedBranch (...By reading this, you've collapsed my wave function. Thanks.)
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To: Artcore

Amen to that. Krauthammer is a grand buffoon.


29 posted on 01/01/2013 6:01:31 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: Gysmo

Eight is enough ;)


30 posted on 01/01/2013 6:21:39 PM PST by mikrofon (Cliff Notes)
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To: IrishPennant

I count about eight grandchildren!


31 posted on 01/01/2013 6:31:35 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: i88schwartz

John “the Cowardly Lion” Boehner needs to return to Oz...


32 posted on 01/01/2013 6:33:30 PM PST by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: indianrightwinger

I am still trying to understand what the House GOP was supposed to do. They had one chance to set the terms with the Plan B option. That was killed in pursuit of purism. So, what else? I am totally lost here.


They have been kicking the can down the road the past several years. The GOP should have NEVER agreed to raise the debt limit last year unless entitlement reform and tax reform were worked out as a comprehensive package.

Now it’s better just to do nothing until the new Congress is inaugurated and start over. And Boehner and McConnell should lose their respective leadership positions.


33 posted on 01/01/2013 6:37:06 PM PST by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: indianrightwinger

“I am still trying to understand what the House GOP was supposed to do.”

If there were Patriots in the GOP House they would never have allowed Harry Reid to get away without passing a budget. They would have used the appropriations power of the House, even if it meant shutting down the government. Simply said they would have passed a responsible budget with dramatic cuts to the bureaucracy and programs. Ideally they would have passed a balanced budget and sent it to the Senate. If Reid refused to bring the budget to a vote, the government would shut down for lack of money since the Constitution requires all appropriations to originate in the House. If Reid brought the budget up and it failed, the House could refuse to send another appropriations bill. The Senate would then be a position of either passing the bill or letting the government shut down. Ultimately the Senate would pass it. It might take a few weeks and one or two rounds of social security checks not going out, but if the House held firm, the Senate would have to pass the bill. Same thing with the President. Once the Senate passed the bill, if the President vetoed it and the House held firm, public pressure would ultimately force him to sign the bill so the government would have funding.

Exercising the power would require the Republicans to stand firm in the face of a huge media and public firestorm. The Democrats would scream they were killing seniors, children, and destroying the planet. However, the Constitution gives the House the upper hand on the budget and if it holds firm, both the Senate and the President have to come to terms with the House.

Republicans are going to get blamed by the press and the Democrats. They might as well do something worth getting blamed for. It requires courage to stand tall against the special interests and non producers. I don’t think it requires any more courage than it did for George Washington and his ragged army to cross the Delaware river the night of December 25/26, 1776 or the US Marines to hold out on Guadalcanal in 1942 or the allied forces to storm the beaches on Normandy in June 1944. The Republic is in peril and it is time for the House Republicans to man up and fight the tyrant even if it costs them the next election. Unfortunately John Boehner and Eric Cantor have shown no sign they have the courage to use their constitutional powers to do the right thing for our nation. By refusing to use their constitutional powers they are abdicating the fiscal policy of this country to Harry Reid, Barack Obama, and the Democrat Party.


34 posted on 01/01/2013 6:40:32 PM PST by Soul of the South
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To: Gysmo

I’m getting nauseous. Won’t the Republicans even put up a fight?


35 posted on 01/01/2013 6:41:06 PM PST by Brownie63
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To: BfloGuy
You know better than that. Go and find a video of Fox news election night 2008 and watch barnes and krauthammer grovel and worship at obama’s feet. I will give credit where credit is due but Krauthammer worked for fritz mondale and jimmy carter. He switched parties but never gave up his progressive streak. He is in favor of fetal stem cell research... as a Christian... to me... that is all of the proof that I need. He is correct on this matter. I thank him for the truth.

LLS

36 posted on 01/01/2013 6:43:12 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Gysmo
When something ends... something else begins. We know where all of the mistakes were made and we can do it correctly this time. Bring on the end... the sooner it happens... the sooner we get to work rebuilding.

LLS

37 posted on 01/01/2013 6:44:50 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: i88schwartz
They'll probably be enough

ALRIGHT!

Who wrote this?

38 posted on 01/01/2013 6:46:27 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: i88schwartz

This whole thing is just abhorrent. Rushing through another POS bill on New Year’s Day. Its insane. The GOP is committing suicide. I see the Dems taking the House back in 2014 and then Barry can run rampant for two years.


39 posted on 01/01/2013 6:56:43 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: i88schwartz

The perfect picture to describe the modern Republican Party. They are the Washington Generals of politics.

40 posted on 01/01/2013 7:05:05 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: i88schwartz; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; ...

All the GWB tax rates all went up at midnight last night so now they can vote for this bill which is much worse than plan B, the bill that they opposed a couple weeks ago, and now say for sure that they ‘cut taxes’.

Long Time past to move on from this silly make believe game that taxes wouldn’t go up automatically. Dragging it out till now proved nothing and was stupid.

Pelosi is praising this bill on the House floor now. Its another sad day in this R controlled House session history, one of the last few days.


41 posted on 01/01/2013 7:09:10 PM PST by sickoflibs (Dems go for results, meaning winning. Rs go for symbolism and whining about losing.)
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To: mikrofon
Emphasis added
42 posted on 01/01/2013 7:16:21 PM PST by Gysmo
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To: sickoflibs

Apparently, the next big battle is more important, the fight over the debt ceiling. I am torn between the realities of the 2012 election and my desire to fight. I think we should regroup and fight the debt ceiling raising.


43 posted on 01/01/2013 7:27:26 PM PST by Perdogg (Mark Levin - It's called the Bill of Rights not Bill of Needs)
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To: tennmountainman
The Rats only want to raise taxes; they don't care about any real spending cuts except in national defense, as they always have. I agree the only outcome is economic collapse because the Rats will use the additional tax revenue (which is a paltry sum compared to the total debt realized by unfunded mandates) to leverage even more borrowing and spending. The stock market is being driven by the Federal Reserve buying $85 billion in T-bills per month (about a $trillion per year total), and printing fiat currency to do it. There is a limit to federal spending no matter what the damn commie rats think and the bill is going to come due very soon.

This bill sets up another $4 trillion in spending, i.e., more debt. I expect another downgrading of U S Treasuries, soaring inflation, devaluation of the dollar, a lowering of wages, soaring unemployment, a lower standard of living and a final catastrophic descent into economic hell, civil unrest and God knows what else.

44 posted on 01/01/2013 7:28:32 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: Perdogg

There will not be a fight over the debt ceiling. obama will get everything he wants from Boehner.oaama loves humiliating Republicans as much as the Republicans enjoy being humiliated.


45 posted on 01/01/2013 7:31:06 PM PST by sport
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To: Perdogg
RE :”Apparently, the next big battle is more important, the fight over the debt ceiling. I am torn between the realities of the 2012 election and my desire to fight. I think we should regroup and fight the debt ceiling raising.”

If they (Rs) weren't so delusional about the taxes going up they could have made a stand on cutting spending instead, but they (many) decided to put all their chips on this certainly losing hand.

YES, They should move on from this fiasco yesterday and yes prepare to fight on the debt limit spending cuts, this time they should prepare to work public opinion.

46 posted on 01/01/2013 7:35:45 PM PST by sickoflibs (Dems go for results, meaning winning. Rs go for symbolism and whining about losing.)
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To: 45Auto

At the moment we are borrowing 46 cents out of every dollar we spend.
How long can that continue? Not much longer.


47 posted on 01/01/2013 7:36:05 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: i88schwartz
Let me go on the record to say, I was for this bill last night IF the GOP was willing to amend the bill.

Watching what is going on now is embarrassing. I don't even want to be associated with this party any more.

God help the country - America RIP

48 posted on 01/01/2013 7:37:01 PM PST by 11th_VA (Keep your laws OFF my weapons.)
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To: Brownie63

A total rout of what’s left of the GOP.


49 posted on 01/01/2013 7:39:28 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: ClearCase_guy

Krauthammer is also pro-abortion.


50 posted on 01/01/2013 7:43:58 PM PST by NKP_Vet
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