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Nation Running Out of Ammo
Legal Insurrection ^ | December 28, 2012 | William A Jacobsen

Posted on 12/29/2012 1:22:34 AM PST by lbryce

Reaction to threats by Senator Dianne Feinstein and others to ban certain weapons and serverely restrict ownership of guns generally has caused a run on gun stores, as is widely reported.

Less reported is the run on ammunition, leaving ammunition inventories down 93% since election day.

So reports Traction Control blog, Plunge! Ammunition Levels Less Than 10% of Pre-Election Levels:

Ammunition Stock levels have fallen by more than 90% from the pre-Election Day levels. Less than 10% remains available. Available Ammunition links will be updated throughout the day.

Handguns are down by 80%, Long Guns by 63% for an overall 72.2% reduction in firearms inventories.

AR pattern rifles are becoming particularly difficult to source.

In some locations, ammunition is hard to find:

Gun buyers in Houston have bought up the entire inventory of AR guns. It is not just the guns. The ammunition is sold out. The magazines are sold out, and not just the magazines that hold 30 or more rounds. Even finding a 10-round magazine is elusive. And ammunition? The smaller boxes of ammunition in the 223-556 calibers may be found, but not the larger boxes. Try calling Top Gun, Academy, Carter Country and other stores and you will get more or less the same answer: “We are sold out entirely, we have no idea when we are getting new stock in, and we have no idea what the pricing will be.” Even the online sites that deal in guns and ammo are now low on inventory as sales have spiked.

Investors are noticing what it will mean for ammunition manufacturers in 2013:

Right now, ammo is severely constrained in all major retail stores and online. Local checks by the author at multiple Academy Sports and Outdoors, (which is owned by (KKR), Walmart (WMT), and Dicks Sporting Goods (DKS) have all meet with the same feedback — gun sales, especially of AR-type weapons and pistols, are highly elevated, with some places being sold out of AR-type weapons. Ammo is scarce for popular rounds such as 9mm, .40 cal, .223, and 7.62×39.

Online stores such as cheaperthandirt.com are also sold out on many popular rounds. We had to go all the way to the 9th product page to find 9mm in a 50 round box for sale! …

Clearly, ammo is in high demand right now, and from our point of view, it has never been harder to find.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; ammo; banglist; colddeadhands; usrevolution3
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These moonbats are clueless in what they're proposing. They're messing with the Constitution. This is not ammo for offensive purposes.The govt. has more than enough for itself.
1 posted on 12/29/2012 1:22:52 AM PST by lbryce
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To: lbryce

Looks like demRATS have learned how to turn lead into gold.


2 posted on 12/29/2012 2:01:34 AM PST by clearcarbon
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To: lbryce

The nation has plenty of ammo. It’s just not in the stores and warehouses where it used to be.


3 posted on 12/29/2012 2:04:46 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: lbryce; appalachian_dweller; Godzilla; Travis McGee; MamaDearest; Old Sarge; judicial meanz; ...
These guys have some and so do these guys. I know because a distant friend, well, ummmm, er, more like an acquaintance, just bought some stuff from them.... by the case.....
4 posted on 12/29/2012 2:12:31 AM PST by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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To: lbryce

“These moonbats [govt.] are clueless in what they’re proposing.”
______________________

Not so sure about that.

It’s starting to look like their plan is to start CW2.

Both sides are now mobilizing their troops.


5 posted on 12/29/2012 2:18:14 AM PST by panaxanax
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To: lbryce

The govt. has more than enough for itself. >>>>>>>>>>>>>

Just tell us where it is, preferably .223 and .45 auto.

We are taking back some of our unconstitutionally obtained tax money.

The more the government has, the more we will have.Liberating ammo from tyrants is nothing new for patriots.


6 posted on 12/29/2012 2:19:08 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: lbryce

Obviously the solution is to expand the manufacturing facilities, hire tens of thousands to become part of the workforce and to add more Made in USA to the store shelves.

But then again the feds could right this moment find many obscure ways to shut it all down, keep the shelves empty either by closing the suppliers or as we have seen before just starting another massive ammo purchase.


7 posted on 12/29/2012 2:21:44 AM PST by Eye of Unk (A Civil Cold War in America is here, its already been declared.)
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To: ExSoldier
These Guys Can't Keep Up. WOW. And they are among the best.

This store is currently closed until we catch up on the orders we already have.

PHONE: XXX-XXX-XXXX

FAX LINE 24-HOURS XXX-XXX-XXXX

ALL OTHER TIMES EMAIL US HERE

XXXX will be shut down temporarily due to the holiday and extreme high volume of sales.

We are currently over 7 business days behind in shipping, please be patient with orders already placed

All tracking numbers are sent when UPS gets and scans the package barcode. Some may be blocked by your spam blocker. Look for an e-mail that says "quantum view notify"

We cannot track or provide tracking numbers by phone at this time.Every person in the office is processing orders.

Please feel free to e-mail any requests.

UPS will also be closed for the 4 day New Year's holiday.This will slow things down.

We are very sorry for the delay and we are working many extra shifts to catch up.

8 posted on 12/29/2012 2:27:48 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Candor7

Immediately after the Sandy Hook shooting I placed an order from Brownells, its on its way.

In about 6 weeks this should stabilize unless another mass shooting occurs, but I would suggest prioritizing what is actually needed and get what you believe you need like it won’t ever be available again.


9 posted on 12/29/2012 2:32:24 AM PST by Eye of Unk (A Civil Cold War in America is here, its already been declared.)
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To: lbryce; All
SOUNDS LIKE FREEDOM!
ok.. ok..maybe a little stringent. :-)

10 posted on 12/29/2012 2:34:34 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,spend it all today;who can take your income,tax it all away..0'Bozo man can :-)
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To: ExSoldier

Here is a couple of useful links.

http://www.ammoengine.com/

http://gun-deals.com/ammo


11 posted on 12/29/2012 3:34:24 AM PST by Hang'emAll (Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: lbryce

nice list of ammo sites on this thread. Thanks!


12 posted on 12/29/2012 3:37:28 AM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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bookmark


13 posted on 12/29/2012 3:43:30 AM PST by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: lbryce

I was looking at gun laws around the world. Most countries that allow guns require you to state the purpose for the gun — typically; hunting, target shooting, or collecting. Self defense is rarely allowed as a legitimate purpose. It is unheard of, except here in THESE USA for “protection from tyranny” to be stated as the purpose.

That is something to be proud of, and to protect, and I will.


14 posted on 12/29/2012 3:54:53 AM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: panaxanax

It’s coming. Lock & Load.


15 posted on 12/29/2012 3:57:27 AM PST by MachIV
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To: Candor7

A lot of retailers with online sites are doing the same thing. CDNN Sports out of Abiline, TX’s website is more or less the same, although you can get through on their 800 number.


16 posted on 12/29/2012 4:00:39 AM PST by MachIV
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To: lbryce

The left wing morons are arming the citizens by their words.

Happens every time......now it is simply on steroids.

The 2A is the Law of the Land......that has not changed, nor will it.

F em.


17 posted on 12/29/2012 4:41:33 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: lbryce
My order of 30-rd mags in transit from Numrich

www.gunpartscorp.com

18 posted on 12/29/2012 4:49:38 AM PST by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: piroque

oops,,,,, AR-15 30-rd RADWAY brand


19 posted on 12/29/2012 4:51:18 AM PST by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: lbryce

Has anyone use the THERMOULD Magazines?


20 posted on 12/29/2012 5:00:41 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: lbryce

These moonbats are clueless in what they’re proposing.
Black market is gearing up $$$$$$ to ensue.


21 posted on 12/29/2012 5:02:32 AM PST by Vaduz
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Bookmark


22 posted on 12/29/2012 5:14:33 AM PST by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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To: MachIV

“It’s coming. Lock & Load.”

You’re right. Wonder what % of Patriots will actually participate?

The person that first coined the phrase “Ammo is the currency of the future” sure nailed it!

Check this out:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=323316049


23 posted on 12/29/2012 5:16:44 AM PST by panaxanax
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To: lbryce

We went to the range yesterday and shot all our ammo. Going boating today. Hoping for an accident-free boat trip. / s.


24 posted on 12/29/2012 5:28:22 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: bmwcyle

Ping.


25 posted on 12/29/2012 5:39:58 AM PST by Apple Blossom (Politicians are like diapers, they both need changed regularly, and for the same reason.)
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To: Red_Devil 232

Thermold were very popular prior to Y2K.

As I remember, they were used by people who were having problems with the metal mags with grey followers causing jams.

There was rumors of them melting under heavy fire because they are plastic and got the nickname thermelt.

But if the rumor was true you have to be doing some serious auto fire for that to happen.

I’ve used them and think they are great.


26 posted on 12/29/2012 5:47:21 AM PST by Hang'emAll (Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: Apple Blossom

Many people here hate Alex Jones. It was Alex Jones who was counting all the Ammo the government was buying by all the different branches over the last year while everyone was quiet. Wake up Freepers.


27 posted on 12/29/2012 5:57:31 AM PST by bmwcyle (We have gone over the cliff and we are about to hit the bottom)
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To: lbryce

There are plenty of guns and ammo to be bought, just not on the retail market. It is all on the secondary market.

These commodities are non existent on the retail (cheap) scene and demand is through the roof. Everything can be had.....for a price. For those willing to pony up the cash, all can be had. Supply and demand rears it’s ugly head yet again.

For the winers refusing to pay more than $1,000 for an AR or 30 cents a round to feed them, they will have a VERY long wait to get what they want, like between 3 years and never.

The gun dealers saw this coming, and have been inventory heavy since the first Obama inauguration. Many of them now have their retirement nest egg. My hat is off to those who were willing to invest in their beliefs of where politics is headed.


28 posted on 12/29/2012 5:57:31 AM PST by wrench
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To: lbryce
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29 posted on 12/29/2012 5:57:41 AM PST by baddog 219
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To: lbryce
I doubled my basic load for all calibers last summer in anticipation of the election fraud of 2012. My rule of thumb where I live is 1000 rounds per caliber except 22 cal. Need at least 10,000 rounds of 22 for small game and barter. Good luck. Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed.
30 posted on 12/29/2012 6:11:15 AM PST by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: mosaicwolf
Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed

Yorktown

31 posted on 12/29/2012 6:15:57 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: lbryce

People are expecting a ban. They are loading up while they can. Of course if there is a ban, the tax of all that ammo will be huge.


32 posted on 12/29/2012 6:28:16 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: lbryce

Cheaper than Dirt: Price Gouging Extraordinaires

Under free enterprise, Cheaper than Dirt has every right to charge what they want for their products.

And we have every right to advertise their price gouging to Americans, so they may make an informed decision about doing business with that company in the future.

http://www.gunssavelife.com/?p=4330


33 posted on 12/29/2012 6:31:32 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: lbryce

Next tax return, I’ll be getting everything needed for reloading .45ACP and 9mm through Dillon.


34 posted on 12/29/2012 6:34:53 AM PST by RandallFlagg ("Liberalism is about as progressive as CANCER" -Alfonzo Rachel)
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To: panaxanax

Yes,in a word, absolutely.


35 posted on 12/29/2012 6:39:59 AM PST by lbryce (BHO:"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds by way Oppenheiner at Trinity NM)
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To: lbryce

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36 posted on 12/29/2012 6:42:46 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: skinkinthegrass

You have it right, the boobs in the beltway have made this nation more than brittle. We are but a few “Social Justice” platitudes away from the straw that breaks the camel’s back. The takers have reached the point where we find out if the Rule of Societies applies. “Society will have exactly as much crime as it chooses to tolerate.” We may be at a point of Constitutional Redeclaration.
As for me I would have preferred to live in a less interesting time, but lacking that choice I only hope America is prepared for where we are headed.


37 posted on 12/29/2012 6:44:43 AM PST by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: lbryce

I wanted to get a couple of bricks of .22 last week just to use for target practice. Walmart didn’t have a single box of shorts, longs or long rifle on the shelf.


38 posted on 12/29/2012 6:52:10 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (0 bummer inherited a worse economy in 2012 than he did in 2008.)
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To: KeyLargo
Dumberthandirt also knee-jerked pulled all their guns off their site after Sandy Hook to "review their policies." Then the issued some nonsense statement on their FaceBook page (within hours they had several thousand p'od responses - which was funny because other retailers were posting their links to their own site). When you did click on firearms at their site, it said 'ctd does not sell firearms.'

A lot of people have stated they will not purchase from them again, myself included. I sent them a nice email detailing all the money I spent at their competitors; several other guys I know have done so as well.

Dumberthandirt is probably trying to gouge whatever they can from their remaining customers due to the cost of their knee jerk.

39 posted on 12/29/2012 6:54:39 AM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: lbryce

>>Nation Running Out of Ammo<<

No, the ammo is safe and secure in the hands of the American citizens.

Makes me very proud to see so many patriots arming themselves. Should be seen as a powerful sign.

If Uncle Sugar cannot read the TEA leaves in all this, well then they truly are as dumb as we always believed them to be.


40 posted on 12/29/2012 6:59:33 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: lbryce

Well, there goes range time. Don’t want to burn up your stash.


41 posted on 12/29/2012 7:00:30 AM PST by crosshairs (They are only assault weapons in the hands of tyrannical governments and criminals. Ban both.)
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To: RandallFlagg
Next tax return, I’ll be getting everything needed for reloading

Good plan. However, not to sound like a know-it-all because I am not sure if this is the case this time around....but in the summer of 2009, re-loaders were hosed out too. It wasn't just the inability to keep finished ammo on the shelf, but a lack of components too.

In spring/summer 2009, the largest ammo manufacturers in the U.S. were back ordered 50 million plus primers. And, assuming each gun buyer in 2009 bought 1000 rounds each......that would be over 14 Billion rounds purchased in 2009 by our fellow Americans.......I know I personally bought well over 1000 rounds........and I don't remember the panic being quite to this level even in Nov-Dec 2008 after the election.

I don't reload my own, but from what I've been reading on various forums, other re-loaders try to maintain 10s of thousands of primers on hand at any given time.........all that to say that if you plan on doing that - get your hands on as many primers as soon as you can, FRiend.

42 posted on 12/29/2012 7:08:09 AM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: MachIV
>>When they come to take your guns, give them your ammo first at 1500 ft./sec.<<

2100 ft./sec.

Give up your weapons, lay down your freedom. Not sure the grabbers understand just how passionate Americans are about their freedom.

The keg hasn’t been sparked yet, but I’m seeing folks getting awful close to the powder.

God forbid. I hope the gun grabbers back off, I really do.

43 posted on 12/29/2012 7:08:30 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: ExSoldier

Yep ammo is available ..... Merry New Year !

Stay Safe !


44 posted on 12/29/2012 7:17:03 AM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: lbryce

bump...


45 posted on 12/29/2012 8:27:42 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: clearcarbon
alchemists extraordinaire...
46 posted on 12/29/2012 8:39:15 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: mosaicwolf

Guess I went overboard. Just over 33K total, 1/3 5.56, 1/3 22LR, and the rest between .308 and scattered rifle/shotgun/pistol calibers. None less that 500 rounds. And looking to get more. Powder and primers just waiting to be used.
I never thought I would be this concerned about things this late in my life; guess I was just not thinking right when I was younger.


47 posted on 12/29/2012 8:52:26 AM PST by rustyboots
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To: mosaicwolf
My rule of thumb where I live is 1000 rounds per caliber except 22 cal. Need at least 10,000 rounds of 22 for small game and barter. Good luck. Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed.

My rule of thumb is 10,000 rounds per AR, 5000 rounds per pistol and 1000 rounds per tactical shotgun.

48 posted on 12/29/2012 9:28:30 AM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Red_Devil 232

“Has anyone use the THERMOULD Magazines?”

They are second rate. Buy MagPull.


49 posted on 12/29/2012 10:05:51 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: KeyLargo

I read on their (CTD) site that they are going back to selling firearms `once the buying frenzy ends’. That’s the excuse they are using for bending over a couple weeks ago.
I use steel mags from former Soviet bloc states and have good luck recently with Tapco plastic mags. Of course you want to test every mag to make sure it feeds OK.
Steel mags over your armor vest helps protect your vital organs.

Hard to believe we’re/I’m talking like this ... Thanks for bring the country together Bam!


50 posted on 12/29/2012 10:22:49 AM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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