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Get Rid of the Republican Establishment, Once and for All
GOP USA ^ | 12/27/2012 | Matt Towery

Posted on 12/27/2012 1:20:29 PM PST by IbJensen

Here's a New Year's wish I would love to see come true. However it is defined or however many people are part of it, it is time to send the giant never-ending "GOP Establishment" made up of some professional politicians, some moneyed nouveaux riche who -- by virtue of their contributions and the faux friendships it buys with politicians -- consider themselves political landed gentry and the endless scam artist consultants they support packing.

As previously stated, I thought Mitt Romney to be a better candidate than did many observers. That said, the recent revelations in news articles that claim to chronicle the Romney campaign reinforce the idea that the "silk underwear" branch of the GOP just doesn't get it.

The emerging story of a candidate who really didn't want to run in the first place and consultants who never listened to pleas from his own family to humanize the man so that everyday people could "feel like he understands them" just makes conservatives and the GOP faithful sick. They once again spent their hard-earned money and endless time backing another Republican nominee who had no prayer of connecting with the average voter. Never mind that he was, at closer examination, a young man of privilege who outgrew his silver spoon to create his own hard-earned fortune, his case was never properly made.

And why is that? The answer is the current class of Republican "experts" and "consultants" who constantly blow into somewhere outside of their self-indulgent D.C. bubble and believe that they really do understand the "average American" in the 21st century. They do not.

Same for the well-entrenched elected officials, many of whom have gone from scrappy challengers of the status quo to fat and happy potentates. The so-called "experts" just sell any sort of snake oil a candidate or elected official and his loyal leeches will swallow. Hence, terrible focus-group-driven commercials, poor strategy in message and a "get out the vote" effort about as technologically advanced as the telegraph and with all the planning for contingencies as the Hurricane Katrina emergency efforts.

Until Republicans get rid of the inherent haughtiness of their operations, nothing will change. I've always described the GOP Establishment as a bunch who will hold a fundraiser, say, with an incumbent Republican president (don't hold your breath for that again anytime soon) or a nominee, or a governor's inauguration -- you name it -- with one unmentioned thing in mind: themselves. They inevitably make the event like one of those toys with endless boxes within boxes, each smaller than the one before it. That's how they do their big "fundraisers." There's the massive box, holding the masses -- where from the distance of a football field one might catch a fleeting glimpse or hear a bit of a speech or event.

From there on, the boxes get smaller and smaller -- and more elaborate. One huge amount gets you into a private reception; the next more expensive one warrants a 10 second photograph with the political star; then there's the price-busting one that gets you a 30 person private audience -- in which every dupe there fails to note that the leader of the free world or the top person in their state listens, speaks, leaves and likely forgets the whole thing five minutes later.

Oh, and then there is that last box. It's reserved for the same snooty creatures who have run everything in their subdivision of the GOP forever. They often are there because they helped take everyone else's money! But regardless, they are there, in the most private of rooms with the highest of public leaders, just hanging out. They are a small, cozy group -- the elite of the elite. Sort of like today's Republican Party -- a small, cozy group.

If I have to read one more story about some Republican official's great golf handicap or how much they all enjoy the private company of one another, I think I'll be sick.

Republicans need to retool their image and their mindset. Just shed all the king's trappings and some of the king's men. Keep the hardworking and in-touch ones, bring in fresh faces, understand the mindset of the next generation, but more than anything articulate what they stand for and, damn it, stand for it.

A little fire in the belly and purpose for being elected and holding office in the first place could at least start to get the GOP turned around before it really is too late.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: palin; republicrats; rinos
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To: Longbow1969
"Our ideology is losing out to a bunch of secular, socialist drivel that's doomed to fail (just as it always has)"

Problem is that we have decades of school indoctrination of our people by the Democrat teacher's union.
Also many are getting all that free stuff they are very used to expectation; therefore the ideology is doomed, but we are all going to be forced to ride this disaster down despite our knowledge due to the takers in society.

51 posted on 12/27/2012 4:29:47 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: IbJensen

You’re talking to the wrong people. You need to be talking to those who voted for Obama. The problem is with those who voted for Obama.


52 posted on 12/27/2012 4:29:48 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Buddy Sorrell

And replace them with.........................? You have to be able to win an election.


53 posted on 12/27/2012 4:31:18 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: OldNavyVet

How do you plan to win an election?


54 posted on 12/27/2012 4:32:08 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: ansel12
Amazing, we are only weeks past your last disaster as you lost the presidency to Jimmy Carter the II, with your liberalism, and already you are fighting to make sure that the candidate four years from now will be another liberal.

What are you babbling about? Romney was most certainly not my candidate. Our field of options was pretty weak, but even so I supported Perry and Newt and basically anyone but Ron Paul over Willard.

I voted for Romney because he won the nomination. That's the only reason. Wasting my vote on a 3rd party would have been silly.

55 posted on 12/27/2012 4:33:40 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969
I want to stand up and shout, "Hooray". You get it and you are rooted in reality. For those who believe that our only problem was that we didn't run Sarah Palin, or someone else acceptable, they had better stop and analyze who voted for whom.

I am extremely pessimistic as this country has taken a great big lurch to the left. Those Obama voters are not interested in limited government--to them, the bigger the better. It is impossible to expect to win an election by making our party smaller.

56 posted on 12/27/2012 4:36:50 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Longbow1969
Like I said, every election cycle there are people that feel this way, and every cycle they make themselves irrelevant to the process.

So you admit that the GOP is slowly whittling away it's base and becoming irrelevant to politics.

100,000 here, 200,000 there, and soon you are talking lost elections as far as the eye can see.

Good luck with that.

Hang onto your stuffed elephant. In the future, it will sell well on E-bay as a curiosity, like the Whig propoganda does today.

/johnny

57 posted on 12/27/2012 4:39:07 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
How do you plan to win an election?

Certainly not with the GOP. They've proved that over and over.

/johnny

58 posted on 12/27/2012 4:41:25 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Longbow1969
Wasting my vote on a 3rd party would have been silly.

So you wasted your vote for the GOP liberal that didn't win.

That's pretty silly.

/johnny

59 posted on 12/27/2012 4:44:29 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: ansel12
Don't you know? You are the sole cause of the downfall of western society, or completely irrelevant. Take your pick. That's the GOP's only two tunes.

Once upon a time, they could free slaves, stand up for what was right, and run conservatives. They did well when they did that.

As I said before, the brand is tainted. It's somewhere between Tylenol and Edsel, quickly sliding toward that third headlight.

/johnny

60 posted on 12/27/2012 4:49:42 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Longbow1969

The problem for “third party” voters is they haven’t stopped to think about the quality of the person they’re voting for. These people have a serious personality defect or they wouldn’t be doing what they’re doing. They cannot win and they know it and they’re doing it for their ego. If these folks are so perfect, why don’t they simply stay in the Republican party, where they might actually win? They are not worthy of a wasted vote—they are just as flawed as any Republican candidate.


61 posted on 12/27/2012 4:53:43 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: IbJensen

Great idea. Let the Democrats have the next fifty years as the majority party in both Houses, AND the White House while we promote the new party and propagate the message.


62 posted on 12/27/2012 4:58:37 PM PST by Little Ray (Get back to work. Your urban masters need their EBTs refilled.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
they are just as flawed as any Republican candidate.

A republican who is in it for the ego, and will lose.

You vote for an egotistical loser that is a liberal, and that's ok.

I vote for an egotistical loser that is conservative, and that's not ok.

Got it. You would rather be GOP than conservative.

I find GOP cheerleaders with their bashing and negativity to be annoying.

/johnny

63 posted on 12/27/2012 4:59:18 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Longbow1969

What I am “babbling” about is your single minded devotion to moving America left, that is why I posted what you quoted.

“”Amazing, we are only weeks past your last disaster as you lost the presidency to Jimmy Carter the II, with your liberalism, and already you are fighting to make sure that the candidate four years from now will be another liberal.””

You are a one note johnny, always fighting the tea party and conservatives, and promoting the Rockefeller/Romney part of the GOP.


64 posted on 12/27/2012 5:02:01 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney--guns not for recreation or self-defense"sole purpose of hunting down and killing people".)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Well, you have no plan to win an election. If I have to support a RINO to defeat the Dim, I'm willing to do it, if I can have a hard-core conservative, I'm all for that, too. I don't know what we're going to have to do but I am highly suspicious of ANYONE who claims they know why Romney lost because I don't believe them.

I hope it can all be explained to be because of voter fraud, but I don't know that, either. Maybe between voter fraud and those who either stayed home, or voted "third party", things may have been different.

We MUST stop this circular firing squad. We have primaries to choose our candidates. I will ALWAYS support the party's nominee because I despise Democrats far more than I despise Republicans.

65 posted on 12/27/2012 5:03:43 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: JRandomFreeper

There is no point in going through all this to deliberately lose. I want to defeat Democrats. Always vote for the most conservative of the choices. In the primary, vote for the most conservative but then in the general, again, always vote for the most conservative and that will always be the Republican.


66 posted on 12/27/2012 5:09:22 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
If I have to support a RINO to defeat the Dim, I'm willing to do it,

Bull, you are devoted to promoting it.

You are another one note johnny who's only message is to keep moving left, stay away from conservatism.

You aren't 'settling' for rinos, you are here to promote them.

67 posted on 12/27/2012 5:09:41 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney--guns not for recreation or self-defense"sole purpose of hunting down and killing people".)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
We MUST stop this circular firing squad.

Won't happen while you are willing to support a liberal.

Personally, I despise liberals, no matter which party.

I do know that Romney would be caving on 'assault weapons' if he had won, just like he did as governor.

So either way, I wind up with someone that wants to take my freedom away.

No thanks.

/johnny

68 posted on 12/27/2012 5:09:55 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Longbow1969

Truth is nobodies kicking so cons out. They want to win the presidency? Fine. Put up or shut up. The Gop is already working on it....Jindal...Rubio..Jeb...all I hear from the far right is whining...”not good enough...I’m leaving” Find a candidate who can win. Nobodies stopping you. But if the best you got is Palin/West...don’t waste everyone’s time.


69 posted on 12/27/2012 5:11:30 PM PST by Blackirish (Forward Comrades!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Longbow1969
If you want my vote and the votes of an increasing number of actual conservatives, nominate candidates worth voting for. If you won't do that, if you insist on nominating greedocrats in elephant suits, if you and your worthless GOP-E polo player candidates don't care about the babies, marriage, economic freedom for ordinary folks of modest income, military issues, veterans, and other issues worth caring about, then again the GOP can go straight to hell where it belongs.

As to "likely voters," I have never failed to vote in 44 years. I am just not voting any longer for the trash that the GOP-E vomits up onto our ballots by buying nominations as Mittler did. I also note that you only see fit to reference "socialism" as though only money mattered. You will sweep the polo players and the art afficionados and the charity contributor tax dodgers. Good luck finding a majority by appealing only to such voters.

Don't hold your breath waiting for me to come back to be used by the GOP-E and its useless Demonrat-lite candidates.

70 posted on 12/27/2012 5:18:35 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Broil 'em now!!!)
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To: Blackirish
But if the best you got is Palin/West...don’t waste everyone’s time.

If the best you have is Romney, don't waste my time.

/johnny

71 posted on 12/27/2012 5:19:21 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: ansel12
ansell, you are willing to LIE to make your point. I do not promote liberalism, I hate it. But neither you, nor I get to appoint who we want to win. The candidate must win an election by defeating the Democrat.

You can never find an instance where I promote a RINO. I repeatedly say, my goal is to defeat Democrats and I'll use whomever I need to to do it. There is no other way to advance a conservative agenda. If we continue to wait for the perfect, the RATS will have 100% control of everything.

72 posted on 12/27/2012 5:22:03 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Longbow1969
There's ALWAYS an establishment in a political party. You can replace it with a group of people you like better, but then they become the establishment.

True enough. We got rid of the Eastern Liberal Establishment Rockefeller Republicans over the years. Now new people, a lot of them who started out at the bottom sending out letters and answering phones for Bush or Dole or McCain, are the new establishment or elite. I guess Romney being his father's son obscures the changes, but throw out today's elite and you'll see another spring up soon enough with the same complaints attached to different names.

73 posted on 12/27/2012 5:25:48 PM PST by x
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

You are the one lying, and you do it every time that you deny that your goal is promoting rinos.

You are devoted to it on this thread, always trying to block conservatism and promote rinoism,

We are only weeks after a devastating example of how a rino loses even when it is impossible to lose, and what are you doing? Fighting to maintain rinoism for 2014 and 2016.


74 posted on 12/27/2012 5:29:31 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney--guns not for recreation or self-defense"sole purpose of hunting down and killing people".)
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To: JRandomFreeper
I do know that Romney would be caving on 'assault weapons' if he had won, just like he did as governor.

Romney is more than a conservative hating rino, he is something of a psycho.

" “These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense. They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people.”

75 posted on 12/27/2012 5:34:21 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney--guns not for recreation or self-defense"sole purpose of hunting down and killing people".)
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To: IbJensen
Well let's do it. If the Repubs embrace illegal immigration .and homo marriage, which they will, they are history.

need savvy media techs and CONSTITUTIONAL candidates

76 posted on 12/27/2012 5:35:27 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: ansel12

My goal is to defeat Democrats any way I have to do it. You confuse it as promoting RINOS—it is not. I see no virtue in deliberately losing to a Democrat—ever!! Again, my goal is to defeat Democrats!! Do you think it more virtuous to wait for a perfect candidate than to try to stop a Democrat? I don’t. Democrats are the epitome of evil and they must be stopped at every opportunity. You go ahead and help Democrats if you think that is the right thing to do but I will NEVER do anything to allow a Democrat a clear path to further their tyranny.


77 posted on 12/27/2012 5:48:24 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
I do not promote liberalism, I hate it. But neither you, nor I get to appoint who we want to win. The candidate must win an election by defeating the Democrat.

And that candidate must win a primary by garnering a majority of votes from people who cast ballots in GOP primaries. There is a wide range of people in this group and the candidate we like best won't often win and become the nominee. If you listen to the foolishness on this thread, that means we should stomp our feet and have a temper tantrum.

I've read your posts for a long time Conservativegreatgrandma and I know you are simply a realist. Some of these folks shouting at you are not politically serious people. On political forums like this you have to accept there are always going to be some loud mouths who talk a big game but accomplish nothing.

In the primaries, vote for the most conservative candidate that CAN win a general election. That means its pointless to vote for candidates, no matter how much we like their policy positions, if they have no chance to win against their Democrat opponent. In general elections, with very few exceptions, always vote for the Republican - even if you don't like that too terribly much. General elections are NOT an affirmative endorsement of a candidate (that is what primaries are for), they are a choice between the only 2 candidates that can win. It's really that simple.

78 posted on 12/27/2012 6:02:15 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969
...you are going to have to accept that a large portion of the party members are not very conservative and simply don't agree with a lot of us conservatives on FR.

Perhaps you can explain to me why I would wish to affiliate myself with people who do not agree with my political philosophy. That one just goes right by me.

79 posted on 12/27/2012 6:04:08 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: BlackElk
I cannot tell you how liberating it was in 2012 to not vote for either major party candidate for the first time in a long adult life.

I'm right there with you. John McCain is the last liberal I will ever have voted for. - that doesn't sound grammatical but you know what I mean.

80 posted on 12/27/2012 6:04:24 PM PST by Graybeard58 ("Civil rights” leader and MSNB-Hee Haw host Al Sharpton - Larry Elder)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
My goal is to defeat Democrats any way I have to do it. You confuse it as promoting RINOS—it is not. I see no virtue in deliberately losing to a Democrat—ever!! Again, my goal is to defeat Democrats!! Do you think it more virtuous to wait for a perfect candidate than to try to stop a Democrat?

As soon as the rinos had their Romney head handed to them in an election that the republicans couldn't lose, you proceeded to do what you are doing on this thread, fighting for rinoism.

You are not even taking a break to move right for a while to take a breather, or at least to let us conservatives exhale a little bit, we are years away from a presidential primary, but you are already fighting for the next Romney.

YEARS AWAY, we don't even know who will be running in 2016, yet here you are frantic and excited and raging against the Reagan wing of the GOP as though this is late in the primary of 2016.

81 posted on 12/27/2012 6:11:26 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney--guns not for recreation or self-defense"sole purpose of hunting down and killing people".)
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To: OldPossum
Perhaps you can explain to me why I would wish to affiliate myself with people who do not agree with my political philosophy. That one just goes right by me.

Because we live in a 2 party system with no opportunity for coalition government. You CAN join any number of right of center party's anytime you'd like, but they won't actually win elections. But that's your choice. If you most value political purity over ever having a chance to govern, then sure, join a 3rd party.

In our 2 party system the political party's are very big tents - filled with all sorts of competing interests. The candidate that makes it through the primary process has to appeal to a plurality/majority of a wide range of views.

Politics is as much about defeating the opposition as it is about advancing your own particular set of issues. Sometimes just stopping the left is victory enough. 3rd party's can't do that - in fact they act as a spoiler and often help ones political enemy.

82 posted on 12/27/2012 6:20:06 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969

Here is where I stand, sir. This country is beyond redemption; if what passes for Americans will elect a man like Obama, there is no hope for their future. So, I am not looking to win any elections since the electorate has lost any semblance of traditional beliefs.

I will take comfort in being among those with whom I share common, traditional American beliefs.

If it pleases you to settle for an occasional victory which means nothing in terms of the country’s direction, good. You should know that things will never be what once were. Some people are willing to settle for very little, and you are one of them.

P,S, I could not help but notice your sadness is having to live under a two-party system “with no opportunity for coalition government.” My goodness, I bet you would be happy in Canada or Europe, where there is coalition government and they all vie for being able to run the welfare state.


83 posted on 12/27/2012 6:32:38 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: ansel12

How did you come up with a goofy idea like this?


84 posted on 12/27/2012 6:43:29 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: OldPossum
P,S, I could not help but notice your sadness is having to live under a two-party system “with no opportunity for coalition government.”

I am sad about that, yes. Brilliant as our founders were, I wonder sometimes if the way our system was set up wasn't a mistake. It produced a 2 party system almost immediately, and I have some issues with it. For one thing, I WANT to be able to belong to a party that where I share a closer bond and a more specific set of common interests. The problem is, with no coalition government possible, I am stuck having to share a big tent in the right of center party instead of a true conservative party.

This country is beyond redemption; if what passes for Americans will elect a man like Obama, there is no hope for their future.

I am pessimistic, but you've completely given up. If you're certain it's all over then sure, join some dead end 3rd party since you don't think it matters anyway.

You should know that things will never be what once were.

Times change. But perhaps you should take a moment to remember the fact that the American public voted for FDR 4 times. FOUR times. And the war is no excuse since they voted for him 3 times before we were in WW2. Obama is awful, but FDR was in a league all his own when it came to leftwing economic populism. FDR transformed this country for generations, yet for some reason the people that put him office over and over again are given a pass by many conservatives. Not everything in the old "traditional values" days was so peachy keen. FDR was very much like Hugo Chavez in many ways, yet a public that many believe was so much better back then elected him over and over.

85 posted on 12/27/2012 6:47:50 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969
Wow!! We are completely on the same page. I believe Wm F. Buckley's theory of always vote for the most conservative that can win.

For those who want to believe I promote RINOS (which is laughable), my far greater desire is to ALWAYS defeat the Democrat--ALWAYS!!!

86 posted on 12/27/2012 6:50:28 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: IbJensen
The emerging story of a candidate who really didn't want to run in the first place ...

Yeah. Right. Poor Romney.

What a schmuck.

87 posted on 12/27/2012 7:29:08 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Longbow1969
And for quite a few election cycles...you and I have voted for McDole...Bush, and McRomney...and what has that got us?

Huh?

HUH???

And all you have to say..is WE have had a temper tantrum!?!?! You sound exactly like the MSM...

You said here: "Our ideology is losing out to a bunch of secular, socialist drivel that's doomed to fail (just as it always has) and it's infuriating"

Yet you apparently think doing the same thing over and over again...will get different results.

I ain't game for that anymore. PERIOD.

88 posted on 12/27/2012 7:39:06 PM PST by Osage Orange ( Liberalism, ideas so good they have to be mandatory.)
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To: IbJensen; All
The emerging story of a candidate who really didn't want to run in the first place and consultants who never listened to pleas from his own family to humanize the man so that everyday people could "feel like he understands them" just makes conservatives and the GOP faithful sick. They once again spent their hard-earned money and endless time backing another Republican nominee who had no prayer of connecting with the average voter. Never mind that he was, at closer examination, a young man of privilege who outgrew his silver spoon to create his own hard-earned fortune, his case was never properly made.

Classic case, in any case, of reversing the roles of marketing and product. Marketers, including those in the GOP, think the marketing determines the success of the product. If that was true, Disney's mega-flop Dick Tracy should have been a hit. It was a crappy product, and all the marketing in the world was for naught. Romney was a liberal Democrat and all the marketing in the world couldn't keep it from showing. The truth will out.

Frankly, as long as guys like Romney are welcome in the GOP, it is lost.

Either the Republican party get some public resignations, or limited government Christian conservatives move on to a new party. And there are a lot more Americans who claim at least one of the three ideals (limited government, Christian, conservative) than not.

Romney became the throw-down. His side is the wrong side, no matter what party he belongs to.

89 posted on 12/27/2012 7:43:05 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Longbow1969; JRandomFreeper
LBow wrote to JRF: We hear this big talk every election cycle, no one cares. A few hundred thousands folks vote 3rd party or write in every election cycle and they have no effect on anything.

Um ... hello? This "big talk" sure manifested itself in this last election. Romney lost. Do you think he would have gotten fewer votes if he had actually been a conservative?

See, the real America, of folks who should legitimately vote -- not counting illegal immigrant votes, bussed-to-the-poll votes, the dead votes, the harvested voters of liberals who would never vote otherwise, but real voters, those of us who would take the trouble to register and then haul our butts to the polls and vote -- MOST OF US are sick of liberals, the biased media, and Obama.

If the Republican candidate had actually been a conservative, he might have won even in spite of massive vote fraud, which has been distorting and deforming election outcomes for decades. But Romney was a joke. America knew it.

Your country is in better shape than you think.

90 posted on 12/27/2012 7:55:10 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Longbow1969; BlackElk
...for every person who thinks they are accomplishing something by not voting for a candidate that can win, another usually realizes the folly of having done that in the past and goes back to casting a ballot that counts.

Yeah. Right, Longbow -- your vote for Romney counted for squat. Even if he'd won, it would have counted for squat.

Wake up.

91 posted on 12/27/2012 10:58:06 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Longbow1969
Still, not voting, sitting out, wasting ballots on 3rd party's, etc, none of that does any good.

Your vote for Romney did zilch, and if he'd won, in the big picture, it would have accomplished zilch but to move the entire picture leftward. OPEN YOUR EYES.

You want to fight the good fight? Start believing in your fellow countrymen and mostly apolitical Americans who saw through Romney. Obama is vulnerable; he, as does much of liberalism, won by harvested and fradulent votes, and the spin that America "loves him" is crap. At least half of us, likely more, think he stinks, think liberalism stinks, and hate the bias of the MSM. Therefore Obama is vulnerable, and so is liberalism. You want to fight the good fight? Start THERE.

92 posted on 12/27/2012 11:05:10 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: JRandomFreeper
People aren't buying what you are selling. The GOP can't win unless it moves right. .... Fear doesn't sell. If I voted GOP, I would be enabling those liberals and accelerating the move left. No thanks. The GOP keeps losing, don't they?

Well said. Bravo.

93 posted on 12/27/2012 11:09:23 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Longbow1969
...if you don't participate in one of the two party's that can win elections, then politically you are simply irrelevant.

Said by a voter whose vote ended up ... irrelevant.

94 posted on 12/27/2012 11:10:51 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Longbow1969; JRandomFreeper
Longbow, Democrats don't use fear. They use appeal to avarice, envy, covetousness, even vengeance.

The GOP, on the other hand, used Fear of Obama to get righteous people to vote for an amoral statist liberal like Romney.

Both are instances of people throwing temper tantrums because they didn't get their way.

Statements like these, any time comparing the "wrong" side as being like children, are becoming a litmus test for me. That mindset reveals an ugly arrogance and presumption, a combination of pompousness and contempt. Worthy of ignoring on that principle alone.

We're all adults here, FRiend.

95 posted on 12/27/2012 11:16:32 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Finny; Longbow1969

“Statements like these, any time comparing the “wrong” side as being like children, are becoming a litmus test for me. That mindset reveals an ugly arrogance and presumption, a combination of pompousness and contempt.”

Longbow1969 sounds just like Michael Medved.


96 posted on 12/27/2012 11:25:47 PM PST by Pelham (Betrayal, it's not just for Democrats anymore.)
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To: Longbow1969; Osage Orange; BlackElk
Longbow laments: The problem is that demographics are changing rapidly and the public is shifting left (most especially on social issues). This change with the American public is magnifying our party's internal problems - but at heart the simple fact is the people aren't with us.

If you were on my bus, I'd make it stop and then I'd kick you off.

You remind me of Hudson in "Aliens" --

"Game over, man! Game over!

97 posted on 12/27/2012 11:25:47 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Osage Orange; Longbow1969
Orange says: I'm just an "ALWAY"S like folk....and just having a "temper" tandrum. But the bad thing for the GOP-E is...I've never FELT LIKE THIS BEFORE.

My 83-year-old staunch Republican mom has voted all her life, Republican all the way, and for the first time, in 2012 declined the Republican at the top of the ticket. First time, and she's a very political person.

I've voted straight R ticket in every election since 1976, and this was the first time I voted third party at the top of the ticket, not because I thought he'd win, but because I wanted to be sure my vote was included in the "neither of the above" count, which in the best case scenario between bad candidates becomes a plurality, or lack of mandate. It hurt Clinton both terms. He got his ass kicked with the Republican Revolution the first term, and got impeached the second term.

Votes count. Sadly, many of the ones that elect liberals are from imaginary voters. Vote fraud is real. But then we get a fraud for a conservative in Romney. Fraudulent all around. Obama is vulnerable, but Republicans are too distracted to smell blood.

98 posted on 12/27/2012 11:46:47 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
The problem for “third party” voters is they haven’t stopped to think about the quality of the person they’re voting for. These people have a serious personality defect or they wouldn’t be doing what they’re doing. They cannot win and they know it and they’re doing it for their ego.

You are blind as a bat, dear.

99 posted on 12/27/2012 11:53:24 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Finny
Blind, or a paid shill. Sure, the GOP used to be conservative. That's not the case today. Old people that can't adapt to change are a drag on the market.

/johnny

100 posted on 12/28/2012 12:00:26 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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