Posted on 12/26/2012 11:03:12 AM PST by wintertime
However...
Definition of slavery from Websters:
Slavery:: submission to a dominating influence
Is compulsory attendance and compulsory funding of government indoctrination centers ( Oops! “schools”) under the threat of armed police and court action qualify as “submission to a dominating influence”?
I think that ....?..., “Yes it is! It is definitely a form of tyranny!” That is my conclusion.
Socialism can not be reformed, it can only be replaced by freedom.
That's all you need to know about government schools.
Sure! Provided children are not compelled to attend ( by threat of police action) and citizens are not compelled ( by threat of police or court action) to pay taxes toward it.
For example: I think it would be completely acceptable for an HOA ( Homeowners association) to have have its own school(s). Citizens are completely free to buy or not buy a home in a community with an HOA.
Please remember that government schools can not be religiously, politically, or culturally neutral. No school can be. Another is government schools, just like all schools, must strictly control speech, press, assembly, exercise of religion and all indoctrinate the students in a non-neutral religious worldview.
Government should NOT be in the business of compulsory attendance and compulsory funded socialist-based school because to do so trashes the First Amendment Rights and freedom of conscience of its citizens. The most powerful voting mob gets to crush the human rights of the less politically powerful.
You get it.
Socialism is slavery to the voting mob.
Thomas Jefferson believed an EDUCATED PUBLIC to be the cornerstone of the system he and the other Founders TRIED to leave behind.
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An education is likely the last thing a child will get in a government school.
In fact they did, and moreover they just reelected him.
Also...if the words “slave” and “slavery” are used to substitute for “school”, “child”, and “student”, the same arguments used to defend socialist-entitlement schooling were the arguments used to defend slavery. .....Hm?......Maybe that is because socialism is slavery with softer handcuffs.
By the way,....In one tiny and minuscule way slavery is better that socialism. At least a private individual was holding the whip. In socialism, ( government schooling **is** socialism) the bullets in the gun are on the hips of government police and the sting of punishment is from government sanctioned courts.
A dominating Leftwing media would be impossible in a nation of morally grounded, God-fearing, and educated citizens ( as Jefferson warned) .
A morally well-grounded, God-fearing, and education citizenry can not be produced in a socialist-funded, single-payer, and compulsory system of indoctrination centers. All it took was one to three generations of this indoctrination to give us Woodrow Wilson and Franklin D. Roosevelt.
Example:
Beginning of state ordered socialist-entitlement schooling: 1853
My great-grandparents born 1860s
My grandparents born 1890s
My parents born 1913
All of the generations above thought Franklin D. Roosevelt walked on water and that socialism was their redeemer and savior. That is was socialist school does to a free people in less than 3 generations.
Agreed. My elders, who pretty much all lived in rural Tennessee and who were fairly conservative on most things, thought FDR was one step below Jesus Himself due to TVA.
Chicken, egg.
If the media was reporting the truth about schools, ...
BTW, Andrew Carnegie was a big proponent of public edu.
The problem with public schools, and to a large extent with private schools today is that administrators and teachers are unable to distinguish philosophy from religion.
There are only three ways to think about reality. You can can a philosophic idealist (Plato, Lao Tzu) a philosophic realist (Aristotle, Confucius) or you can be a Sophist (De Sade, Heidegger)
Protestants and Greek Orthodox following Agustin early Church Fathers are typically philosophic idealist and this is reflected in their theology. Catholics follow Aquinas who was following Aristotle are typically philosophic realist. (Notice I am not advocating one over the other)
However, if you make an argument for ethics or morality from an idealist perspective in a school setting the idiots in charge call you a Baptist. If you try and make the argument as a philosophic realist you are denounced as a Catholic. Thus all that is left to the educator is the Sophistry that is Post Modernism.
While Idealism and Realism are different in many ways the ancients realized that the true enemy was was Sophistry and both were ways to combat it.
It is impossible to have any meaningful educational reform until educators understand this. Public schools should be, in their current incarnation be abolished because they teach Sophistry
Public educations was good when it was strictly on a local basis and paid by (and controlled by) local taxpayers. When it became funded by state and federal government it went straight to the socialist way of life.
I started school in 1950 and the percentage of tax paid by my parents for my education for 12 years was NOTHING compared to the same costs for a 1 to 12 education today.
I believe that property owners (and renters who pay property tax as part of their lease or rent payment) should ONLY pay school taxes WHILE THEIR CHILDREN ATTEND SCHOOL.....................PERIOD!
Don’t make people like me (66 years old) pay my entire lifetime for a “piss poor” socialist indoctrination of our little liberal zombies at a cost that is simply stupefying and cannot be justified at all.
When people have to pay for their children’s education while they actually attend school they will be one hell of a lot more concerned with both the quality and scope of the education they are paying for. If they know that they will pay up to 12 years for their own children’s education and then be forced to pay another (estimated) 75 years for other people’s children and have no say about it.....wouldn’t that be a clear case of forced servitude to the government and wouldn’t that be called Socialism?
It’s time for a property tax revolt.
And you don't attribute any of that to the "public school" part, do you?
because that would be stupid.
The problem with public schools, and to a large extent with private schools today is that administrators and teachers are unable to distinguish philosophy from religion.
There are only three ways to think about reality. You can can a philosophic idealist (Plato, Lao Tzu) a philosophic realist (Aristotle, Confucius) or you can be a Sophist (De Sade, Heidegger)
Protestants and Greek Orthodox following Agustin and early Church Fathers are typically philosophic idealist and this is reflected in their theology. Catholics follow Aquinas who was following Aristotle are typically philosophic realist. (Notice I am not advocating one over the other)
However, if you make an argument for ethics or morality from an idealist perspective in a school setting the idiots in charge call you a Baptist. If you try and make the argument as a philosophic realist you are denounced as a Catholic. Thus all that is left to the educator is the Sophistry that is Post Modernism.
While Idealism and Realism are different in many ways the ancients realized that the true enemy was was Sophistry and both were ways to combat it.
It is impossible to have any meaningful educational reform until educators understand this. Public schools should be, in their current incarnation be abolished because they teach Sophistry
Sure, as long as funding is voluntary.
Do I think people should be allowed to make other people pay for their kid's education? Not only no, but...
Socialist-funded, single-payer, and compulsory schooling must be abolished because they can not be philosophically, religiously, culturally, or politically neutral. It is impossible for any sentient being to be in a state of such neutrality. It can't exist.
When government owns and runs schools, the most politically powerful will have the government ESTABLISH their anointed and NON-neutral worldview. The less powerful have their freedom of conscience and First Amendment human rights crushed.
It is a conundrum that has no resolution. IT CAN NOT BE FIXED!
Fundamentally...Government schools are a freedom of conscience and First Amendment abomination. That they are also failures academically is secondary to the crushing of the human spirit.
Some institutions must be shut down because they are, to their core, oppressive to the very nature of what it means to be human. They must be shut down even if those enslaved in the institution are worse off materially after emancipation. Slavery is one of these institutions. Government compelled incarceration in a government indoctrination camp is another.
In two tiny ways, the institution of slavery was actually better than government schooling. At least the government didn't force citizens to pay taxes to support it or force citizens to use or buy slaves. Also, in slavery, the whip was held in private hands. In government schooling it is the government police and government courts that do the punishing.
History is replete with self-taught geniuses, with no more elaborate instruction than God’s own creation to inspire their beautiful minds.
As is demonstrated with the private Saturday schools I often pass in Asian neighborhoods.
Would slavery be good if controlled locally? Really?
Well....Government schooling can NOT be religiously, politically, or culturally neutral. It is WRONG for any voting mob to impose its anointed and NON-neutral worldview on other people's children, and imprison children in its government buildings, by threat of government police and court action. It is WRONG for the government to force citizens to pay for this abomination by way of police threat.
The above is true for slavery or government schooling whether the community consists of 30 people or 300 MILLION.
Fundamentally..,. Government schooling is a freedom of conscience and First Amendment human ABUSE! It must be ended even if those enslaved in the system are worse off after emancipation.
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