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AP sources: New Obama offer moves toward Boehner (another episode of 'As the Stomach Turns'?)
SFGate.com ^ | 12/17/12 | David Espo and Jim Kuhnhenn | Associated Press

Posted on 12/17/2012 6:47:38 PM PST by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama has agreed to curtail future cost-of-living increases for recipients of Social Security and softened his demand for higher taxes at upper income levels as part of accelerating negotiations with House Speaker John Boehner to avoid a "fiscal cliff," people familiar with the talks said Monday.

Speaking a few hours after Obama and Boehner met at the White House, these people said the president was now seeking a higher tax rate beginning at incomes over $400,000, up from the levels of $200,000 for individuals and $250,000 for couples that were cornerstones of his successful campaign for re-election.

Obama's willingness to reduce future cost-of-living increases in Social Security, government retirement and numerous other programs marked another clear concession to Boehner, although it came with an asterisk. The president wants lower-income recipients to receive protection against any loss from scaling back future cost of living increases, these officials said.

Nor did Obama's offer include raising the age of Medicare eligibility from 65 to 67, a Republican goal that has drawn particularly strong objections from Democratic liberals.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: boehner; fiscalcliff; obama; peterprinciple

1 posted on 12/17/2012 6:47:44 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geNBIPD75rM


2 posted on 12/17/2012 6:50:09 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: NormsRevenge

Would the Democrats go along with it?


3 posted on 12/17/2012 6:51:58 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: mylife
2 years unlimited debt ceiling. Boehner must go now
4 posted on 12/17/2012 6:52:07 PM PST by scooby321 (AMS)
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To: scooby321

He has no wiggle room. Obama knows this.

Boehner is screwed, and he knows it.

This whole thing is a farce.


5 posted on 12/17/2012 6:58:25 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: NormsRevenge

“Look, Mr. President... Just pretend you are, you know, ‘coming in my direction’ a little bit, okay? C’mon, home, gimme something! Pleeeeeease? I’m twisting in the wind here.”

“Awright, awright awready... No need for tears. Listen, here’s what I’ll do. I’ll let it leak that I am willing to discuss... ha ha ha, ‘spending cuts’, ha ha... down the road. Okay? Does that give you something to make it look like you’re accomplishing something for your side? Good. Now beat it. I gotta catch up on a couple episodes of ‘Glee’.”


6 posted on 12/17/2012 6:59:58 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: NormsRevenge

“another clear concession to Boehner”

David Espo’s parents beat him constantly for lying, as did everybody in the town he grew up in, and now AP pays him to lie.
Makes you think...


7 posted on 12/17/2012 7:00:00 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: scooby321

That right there should be a no brainer deal breaker.

Why the hell we need to raise the debt ceiling if we’re reducing debt ???

I know, I know, they’re politicians.......sigh


8 posted on 12/17/2012 7:02:22 PM PST by onona (Former Plattsburgh AFB Survivor)
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To: NormsRevenge
Boehner offers to take debt limit off the table

= Boehner offers to let Ubama and the rats bankrupt yet another generation of Americans (this time our great-grandchildren) so that the Republicans can have the honor of being blamed for both raising taxes AND pushing granny off a cliff ("spending cuts"). That's some great work, Boehner.

"NOW, you're negotiating!"


9 posted on 12/17/2012 7:02:23 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: NormsRevenge

What’s wrong with curtailing any Congressional raises?


10 posted on 12/17/2012 7:04:16 PM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: redgolum

You sir/madam nailed it the best. Have not ever read anyone else make such a clear point. When two men are screwed, they screw with each other. :)


11 posted on 12/17/2012 7:04:25 PM PST by indianrightwinger
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To: Lancey Howard

LOL!


12 posted on 12/17/2012 7:05:25 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: NormsRevenge

Now, if Bonehead would just throw in gun confiscation and amnesty
he might get his deal.


13 posted on 12/17/2012 7:08:42 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: NormsRevenge

Boehner will cave and the GOP will go along with it. We serve a worthless party. A party that has let the left steamroll over them because they want to be nice. To heck with being nice ... our country is at stake.


14 posted on 12/17/2012 7:10:28 PM PST by doc1019
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To: redgolum

He has no wiggle room. Obama knows this.

And why does he not have wiggle room?

Can u say the debt ceiling bargain that the GOP signed off on two years.
Just because he cut a bad deal then, does not let him off the hook now.
In fact, it is because of the bad deal he led two years ago, that has the
country on the cliff now.


15 posted on 12/17/2012 7:13:00 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: NormsRevenge
There's got to be some good in this.

Over at DU they are PEEVED!

16 posted on 12/17/2012 7:16:18 PM PST by what's up
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To: what's up

Yeah they are pissed at Obama over there, must be a good deal if they are going batty over it.


17 posted on 12/17/2012 7:25:04 PM PST by Typical_Whitey (The political mirage of something for nothing; has ruined many a nation.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Kabuki Theatre. 26 trillion in debt or 25 trillion in debt. A joke.


18 posted on 12/17/2012 7:28:21 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Typical_Whitey
Obama is reversing the SS payroll tax cut (which should never have been done in the first place). He said he would not do this.

Also he is getting rid of COLA.

Haha. They're upset over at HuffPost too!

19 posted on 12/17/2012 7:34:43 PM PST by what's up
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To: what's up
Also he is getting rid of COLA.

As a Social Security recipient, I am against this. But with this year's super generous COLA of 1.7% it almost doesn't make any difference.

Besides, it's based on some fairy world where there is not food nor fuel inflation.

20 posted on 12/17/2012 8:06:47 PM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Beavis and Butthead hard at work..........


21 posted on 12/17/2012 8:12:16 PM PST by Tzimisce (What do you do when every every branch of the government is corrupt and aligned against you?)
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To: NormsRevenge

“Speaking a few hours after Obama and Boehner met at the White House, these people said the president was now seeking a higher tax rate beginning at incomes over $400,000, “

Actually, Boehner may be playing some good poker ... IF he keeps the debt ceiling card in his pocket.

Here’s why: SPENDING IS THE REAL PROBLEM. Boehner needs to minimize the tax increase while keeping the ball on the spending side.

We know that. We also know that the Democrats want and will demand their ‘tax the rich’ and they have the recent victory in the elections to feel their oats. Obama cannot and will not back down on insisting on raising taxes, he needs something.

But raising the bar to $1 million puts the top rate on the smallest group of Americans, and at the same time makes this even less of a real solution to the budget deficit.

IF Obama is backing up to $400,000, then that’s more than most had thought Boehner would get.

once we get this ‘deal’ done, we will find:
- Obama is taxing too much (Obamacare tax increases)
- he is spending too much
- the deficit is still one trillion

in effect, Obama will have ‘won’ and he will own the fiscal mess that will continue. THEN comes the hammer blow. Debt ceiling increase? What, without a real deal to fix entitlements, cut spending and get back on track? You kidding me? More painful negotiations, but GOP House will have more leverage and Democrats less excuses... “oh you want MORE tax increases? you just GOT your tax increases!”
LOL, they will run out of excuses and rich people to go after!


22 posted on 12/17/2012 8:13:59 PM PST by WOSG (REPEAL AND REPLACE OBAMA. He stole America’s promise!)
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To: upchuck

I am upset about the SS COLA because it affects my federal retirement check. Guess I’ll have to buy one dollar gloves from the bargain bin instead of my recent purchase of $3.99 gloves at Walgreen’s. I’m such a spendthrift! For those of you who begrudge the COLA’s, here’s wishing you a future where you find out what living like a senior citizen means.


23 posted on 12/17/2012 8:21:50 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: popdonnelly

“Would the Democrats go along with it?”

Would you go along with it?

No Real conservative ever would.


24 posted on 12/17/2012 8:25:54 PM PST by Revel
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To: Ciexyz

“I am upset about the SS COLA because it affects my federal retirement check. “

Moocher. ... I kid, I kid.

Seriously, we are one trillion in deficit / year. We cant afford what we spend and this is actually just a tiny nick compared to the meat ax we need to take.

They should be keeping the whole sequester, cut ALL the govt across the board 10%, raise all the SS and medicare elibility ages, AND means-test them all, AND repeal Obamacare, AND abolish the DOE and 50 other agencies, AND repeal every new spending idea since 2000. Only then could we balanced the budget.

I’m not counting on SS. Nobody should. Its a worthless system outdated and wrong and we should let people escape from it. make it voluntary, and give people an account that THEY own, not Congress. They might as well pay me in zimbabwe dollars by the time i’m ready for it.


25 posted on 12/17/2012 9:07:43 PM PST by WOSG (REPEAL AND REPLACE OBAMA. He stole America’s promise!)
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To: WOSG

Not sure I agree with means testing SS....I mean you pay into it ....isn’t that enough of a means test for ya?


26 posted on 12/17/2012 9:18:15 PM PST by superfries
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To: NormsRevenge
Does Pelosi approve of this?
27 posted on 12/17/2012 9:41:39 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: doc1019

No, no, no, no, no!

The left has steamrolled them, but not because the GOP wants to be nice. It is because they want the same things. The lib GOPe party wants the same as the lib dem party.


28 posted on 12/17/2012 11:12:13 PM PST by Waryone
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To: NormsRevenge

The only reason Obama has offered up the CoLAs is that he knows the retired people will exact a price for anyone dem or rep who supports it. So in the end, it is something he can give up that will come back.

Why don’t they ask for something no one will demand returned such as income tax refunds for illegals. Also, the income tax system should not be a part of the Welfare system. No one who pays no tax at all should ever get an income tax check. A refund check should never be larger than the taxes paid in.

They should also demand that crazy checks (SSI) be limited to children in US families. There are plenty of things they can cut that will not automatically be reversed come next election. The GOP needs to focus on demanding those things.


29 posted on 12/17/2012 11:24:58 PM PST by Waryone
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To: NormsRevenge

Does this negotiating with the Obama Regime instead of the Senate seem odd to anyone? Obama is doing more legislating now that he is out of the Senate than he did while he was in it.


30 posted on 12/18/2012 1:01:04 AM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: PghBaldy

This is just the AP helping their president look like he’s serious. That way, when we go over the cliff, Ubama looks like he tried, he really tried.
It’s nothing but bukkake theater.


31 posted on 12/18/2012 1:08:43 AM PST by Lancey Howard (I meant, kabuki. Yeah.)
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To: Waryone

Yes, the lib GOP wants the same. Why else would there be this phony debt ceiling discussion? Like in the phony healthcare debate, Maobama has no power at all to spend or tax or go into more debt. Only Congress does. They can vote whatever they want and Maobama doesn’t get power handed to him on this, unless they amend the Constitution.


32 posted on 12/18/2012 2:44:01 AM PST by ReaganGeneration2
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To: Ciexyz
"I am upset about the SS COLA because it affects my federal retirement check. Guess I’ll have to buy one dollar gloves from the bargain bin instead of my recent purchase of $3.99 gloves at Walgreen’s. I’m such a spendthrift! For those of you who begrudge the COLA’s, here’s wishing you a future where you find out what living like a senior citizen means."

The full implementation of Obamacare will steadily reduce the population of senior citizens except for those in the privileged elite. There are lots of savings to be obtained by reducing the number of covered citizens who fail the life cost model assessment for expensive health care.

33 posted on 12/18/2012 2:47:16 AM PST by Truth29
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To: doc1019
A party that has let the left steamroll over them because they want to be nice

That's not it.

They "let" the Left steamroll over them because they agree with the Left on most fundamentals. There are some minor quibbles over details, but no substantive disagreements.

34 posted on 12/18/2012 3:06:17 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: tennmountainman

I’d say it actually brings up a good point...that the GOPe would never dare use: It shows that Congress can not be bound by an earlier law (IE: Tax hikes now, spending cuts later).

But I digress, this is for those that would do their jobs and know how to debate w/out throwing out-the-window the Constitution.

I’d still love to see an lawsuit brought up using the 13th and taxes/debt. How can we not have slavery if we must pay for D.C.’s spending habits....one MUST conflict, no?!


35 posted on 12/18/2012 5:30:21 AM PST by i_robot73
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To: jwalsh07

I really wish we’d get to using the correct numbers, which include all unfunded liabilities. Either it’s to be paid or it isn’t.

It’s bad enough even ‘our side’ thinks SS/Medicare/etc. are something ‘I paid for’ instead of the taxes/Ponzi scheme they have always been.


36 posted on 12/18/2012 5:36:48 AM PST by i_robot73
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To: Jim Noble

You mean like Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter had a tough time finding areas of disagreement? So Ford “liberated” eastern Europe in his mind 15 years prematurely.


37 posted on 12/18/2012 2:37:28 PM PST by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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