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Fiscal Cliff 'Breakthrough' Boehner Offers To Include Debt Ceiling Hike Along With Higher Taxes
Business Insider ^ | 12/16/2012 | Joe Weisenthal

Posted on 12/16/2012 7:15:10 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Things are getting interesting on the Fiscal Cliff front. Last night it was reported by multiple outlets that John Boehner agreed to let taxes rise on those making $1 million more per year. That was seen by the White House as a too-narrow concession, but it was something, as it meant that the real negotiation was beginning, as the two sides have begun to trade taxes and spending cuts. Now there's more signs of real movement.

The Washington Post's Lori Montgomery and Paul Kane report that John Boehner has now offered to include a one-year debt ceiling hike in his offer, taking away a key point of Republican leverage coming up in just a couple of months.

From WaPo:

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The White House rejected the offer, saying it would raise too little cash to significantly dent record budget deficits and do nothing to extend emergency unemployments benefits into the new year, according to a Democrat familiar with the talks.

But the tax offer was viewed as a breakthrough, the Democrat said. Senior White House officials remained in contact with Boehner’s staff throughout the weekend in a sign that serious negotiations had finally begun after weeks of stalemate and partisan posturing.

Clearly with the clock ticking down, Boehner is actually putting things on the table that represent concessions. Next is for The White House to counter with something new.

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: boehner; debtceiling; fiscalcliff; taxes
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1 posted on 12/16/2012 7:15:20 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Boehner cowers in the corner.


2 posted on 12/16/2012 7:16:33 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (It's not about the guns. It's about the control.)
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To: SeekAndFind

We are WATF now.


3 posted on 12/16/2012 7:16:55 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: SeekAndFind

No more Boner.


4 posted on 12/16/2012 7:16:55 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state." - Cornelius Tacitus, Roman Senator)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m rolling on the floor laughing my arse off. I’m sure there will be a complete and total gun and ammunition ban thrown in for good measure just to make sure they won’t ever have to account to the people for the hole they’ve dug for us.


5 posted on 12/16/2012 7:17:59 PM PST by Dogbert41 (What now?)
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To: SeekAndFind

And Obummer offers to allow Boehner the grand opportunity to kiss The Won’s ring.


6 posted on 12/16/2012 7:18:42 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Boner will *REALLY* have Ø in a bind if he throws in not having spending cuts as well... Ø might be forced to come to an agreement if that becomes the case


7 posted on 12/16/2012 7:18:42 PM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Boehner has offered to raise the top tax rate for earners making more than $1 million, a source told the Associated Press.

The development in the fiscal talks comes amid pessimism the Speaker and President Obama can hammer out a deal before Christmas.

Boehner’s offer would not include extending federal unemployment benefits, and it is unclear how it would address sequestration — the tens of billions in spending cuts scheduled to go into effect for the Pentagon and other federal agencies starting Jan. 2.

And Republicans remain unyielding on agreeing to raise the U.S. debt limit as part of any agreement to avoid the fiscal cliff.

The source said Obama has not accepted the offer, according to the Associated Press, which added that Boehner is still seeking more spending cuts than Obama has proposed.

Bottom line… no deal. The clock is running out, assuming it’s not already too late. Even if they came to some sort of deal – even a short term, stop gap measure – the two men would still have to sell the plan to their respective parties, somebody would have to draw up the matching bills, and then herd enough cats into the chambers to actually vote for it. Tomorrow morning will come with only two weeks left to accomplish all of that, and the two sides still don’t even have the basic framework of a deal… just an offer which was immediately turned down by the President.


8 posted on 12/16/2012 7:18:45 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

That Mother “F”er!


9 posted on 12/16/2012 7:18:55 PM PST by WellyP (question!)
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To: SeekAndFind

The caving is, always, one way only! Where’s ALL of the caving on the Democratic Party side?


10 posted on 12/16/2012 7:18:59 PM PST by johnthebaptistmoore (The world continues to be stuck in a "all leftist, all of the time" funk. BUNK THE FUNK!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Boehner is f-ing worthless (but we all knew that)


11 posted on 12/16/2012 7:19:37 PM PST by Marathoner (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The Republican starting point in negotiations is unconditional surrender. Obama will demand more and Boehner will give it.
12 posted on 12/16/2012 7:20:20 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Big Bird is a brood parasite: laid in our nest 43 years ago and we are still feeding him.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I can only hope this is a ploy to get the media to report that Republicans were willing to Offer up nearly everything and got shot down by Obama on every count so that they can defend themselves as being at fault over the fiscal cliff failure.

NOTE: The White House has no intention of negotiating with Bohener.....


13 posted on 12/16/2012 7:20:34 PM PST by Typical_Whitey (The political mirage of something for nothing; has ruined many a nation.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Libtard definition of ‘negotiation’: pubbies cave, again.

Boehner ain’t got the backbone for this fight.

Stand firm! Don’t give the 0bamunists ANYTHING! Make them own this mess.


14 posted on 12/16/2012 7:20:42 PM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Still seeking change.)
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To: SeekAndFind

War’s over, man. Boehner dropped the big one.


15 posted on 12/16/2012 7:21:32 PM PST by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: SeekAndFind

They must have records of Boehner in some extremely interesting situations, or this wouldn’t be happening.


16 posted on 12/16/2012 7:21:38 PM PST by madison10
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To: SeekAndFind

Just shows how important the Christmas parties are to Boehner. He will give away the whole nation to avoid missing his elite parties.


17 posted on 12/16/2012 7:21:43 PM PST by lwoodham (I am Andrew Breitbart. Don't doubt me on this.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why didn’t he offer that a month ago? Is he so stupid he thinks we give him “credit for trying”?


18 posted on 12/16/2012 7:22:59 PM PST by DManA
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To: SeekAndFind

I think Obama would be perfectly happy to go off the cliff. His defecit would be cut in half, defence spending cuts, and the Republicans gets blamed for taxes going up on everyone. His goal is the get control of the House in two years to be able to implement his final plans in his last two years.


19 posted on 12/16/2012 7:25:34 PM PST by spyone (ridiculum)
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To: SeekAndFind

Some really great bargaining there. Did Boehner also offer to come to the White House once a week to lick Obama’s shoes?

Looks like the end of the GOP as a viable political force.


20 posted on 12/16/2012 7:26:23 PM PST by greene66
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To: SeekAndFind
I'm not the sharpest pencil in box, but is this any different from an abject unconditional surrender?

I'm no longer a Republican - After 40 years as a registered Republican, I've ditched them and am now registered as a Conservative.



Keep Faith with the Fallen of Benghazi! Let the Obama Regime, for once, tell the Truth!

Fiat Justitia, Ruat Coelum!

Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

21 posted on 12/16/2012 7:27:31 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: Typical_Whitey
I can only hope this is a ploy to get the media to report that Republicans were willing to Offer up nearly everything and got shot down by Obama on every count so that they can defend themselves as being at fault over the fiscal cliff failure.

Come on - don't you know our media by now? Do you really think that is how it will be portrayed?

22 posted on 12/16/2012 7:28:24 PM PST by capydick (''Life's tough.......it's even tougher if you're stupid.'')
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To: SeekAndFind

Pre-scripted and pre-planned. Boob bait for bubbas. If any Republican cared about the country they would not concede one inch.


23 posted on 12/16/2012 7:28:59 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: ConorMacNessa

RE: I’ve ditched them and am now registered as a Conservative.

Is there a conservative party in your state? I am from New York and have been a registered member of the Conservative Party of NY for he longest time.


24 posted on 12/16/2012 7:31:40 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

“The White House rejected the offer, saying it would raise too little cash to significantly dent record budget deficits...”

But raising taxes on those making over $250,000 will pay for 8 days of spending. And the democrats want to increase the “record budget deficits”.


25 posted on 12/16/2012 7:31:40 PM PST by Terry Mross ( I don't watch the "news". Someone ping me if anything big happens.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Boehner, negotiating with himself, and losing.
26 posted on 12/16/2012 7:31:43 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: SeekAndFind

You have to love all this political theater.


27 posted on 12/16/2012 7:31:43 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: SeekAndFind

***Next is for The White House to counter with something new.***

Will that be before or after they pick themselves up off the floor from laughing so hard?


28 posted on 12/16/2012 7:31:58 PM PST by MichaelCorleone ('We the People' can and will take this country back...starting today.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hey Bonehead, why stop there. Go ahead and throw in gun control
and amnesty, as well. You look very desperate and stupid.


29 posted on 12/16/2012 7:36:17 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: SeekAndFind
I dedicate this song to John Boehner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXGv-rd-bvA

30 posted on 12/16/2012 7:37:06 PM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: SeekAndFind

NOW I know what taxation with out representation feels like.


31 posted on 12/16/2012 7:37:54 PM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why post any crap from the left wing Bus Insider and this Obama bot Joey ?
This is pure left wing crap
Bonner is just a Lobbyist puppet desperate to keep the cash flowing g to his pals


32 posted on 12/16/2012 7:38:23 PM PST by ncalburt (Axelrod Psych OPS has gone to 24/7 non stop - "The election is over " status until Nov)
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To: ConorMacNessa

I am NOT going to give up on the party. I need to fight harder. SO.....I am running for the Republican County Chair. I should have some influence, then. So far, things are looking good!

If I am successful at this, I will have nobody to blame but myself. Time to shift the pendulum. I will not fail.


33 posted on 12/16/2012 7:38:29 PM PST by Michigan Bowhunter (Fix Bayonetts!!!!!!! Time to fight!!!!!)
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To: hinckley buzzard; SeekAndFind

Blinked first. Blinked second. Not how to win.

Stick to the message - It’s the spending, Stupid!


34 posted on 12/16/2012 7:40:08 PM PST by LibertyOh
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To: madison10

“Republicans usually do as they’re told.” Barack Hussein Obama, 2009.


35 posted on 12/16/2012 7:41:24 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: DouglasKC

Time for a third party, which eventually will become the second party and make the GOP a third party.


36 posted on 12/16/2012 7:46:51 PM PST by kabar
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Send him a box of depends.


37 posted on 12/16/2012 7:47:36 PM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: SeekAndFind

Reading this news could make a grown man cry


38 posted on 12/16/2012 7:51:06 PM PST by WilliamIII
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To: SeekAndFind

We need to rally around a second name for Speaker NOW!!


39 posted on 12/16/2012 7:53:49 PM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Be the Enemy Within the Enemy Within...)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Boehner cowers in the corner.

Boehner caves on taxes - who didn't see that coming? EVERY F***** TIME THIS FARCE PLAYS OUT THE SAME. Democrats demand tax hikes and the Republican demand spending cuts. And EVERY TIME we get IMMEDIATE Tax hikes and a false promise of spending cuts in the future - cut that NEVER materialize

40 posted on 12/16/2012 7:57:06 PM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: SeekAndFind

The RINOcrats help to give the democrats everything they need, while fooling the people by playing the opposition party.


41 posted on 12/16/2012 8:05:45 PM PST by Moorings
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To: ConorMacNessa

Yes, it is worse. Obama would be smart to take it, because he gets the republicans as tax-raisers, and yet it isn’t what Obama wanted, so it looks like he capitulated.

And then he can blame the republicans for whatever bad happens as a result, since they didn’t take his plan.

I do wonder if these are really tax increases though, and not simply NOT extending the tax cuts.

Because in January, taxes are going up for everybody. And because of the vote of congress to let this happen two years ago, to allow the tax cuts to expire over not including the millionaires will look very bad.

Suppose the taxes were currently at the clinton rates, and we were arguing over tax cuts. Would we all be upset if we could get a tax cut for everybody EXCEPT those over a million a year? Sure, we’d rather include everybody, but are we now the party of “only give tax cuts to the middle class if we have to to get tax cuts for the rich?

We should either stand strong to get all the tax cuts, or just give up and give Obama his tax cuts, and blame him when the economy sputters.


42 posted on 12/16/2012 8:05:57 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: ConorMacNessa
I'm no longer a Republican - After 40 years as a registered Republican

It took you 40 years to see the truth? Didn't you pay attention to what was going on the first 39 years? The Republicans have done this as far back as I can remember.

43 posted on 12/16/2012 8:07:43 PM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Moorings

One of the main differences between the RINOcrats and the democrats is that the democrats actually win some things for their constituents, even when they are in the minority. The RINOcrats on the other hand not only don’t win anything when they are in the majority, they help out the democrats by getting through tough and controversial liberal agenda items.


44 posted on 12/16/2012 8:10:06 PM PST by Moorings
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To: Farmer Dean

To paraphrase that Churchill incident, Obama, after hearing the $1,000,000 offer tells Boehner “How about an income limit of $100,000?”

“Mr. Obama - I am NOT a pushover!”

“Oh - you have already established that you are - now we are just negotiating a price.”


45 posted on 12/16/2012 8:17:44 PM PST by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: Eagle of Liberty

Obama’s rejection says it all though. He always wanted to go over the cliff and he probably relished the initial Boehner cave which gave us the Grand Super Committee in the first place. He gets tax increases, defense cuts, AND now Boehner shows the Debt Ceiling card.


46 posted on 12/16/2012 8:18:35 PM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Be the Enemy Within the Enemy Within...)
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To: SeekAndFind

What has the Dictator budged on?


47 posted on 12/16/2012 8:18:59 PM PST by Rembrandt (Part of the 51% who pay Federal taxes)
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To: SeekAndFind

The entire House has to vote on this, right?
I mean, the cowardly weakling Boehner can’t sell out the nation all by himself, right?
He’ll have to round up 20 or so fellow-traveling scumbag Republican cowards to go along with all the rats... right?

America is done.


48 posted on 12/16/2012 8:23:21 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: FlingWingFlyer
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49 posted on 12/16/2012 8:25:49 PM PST by baddog 219
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To: Rembrandt
This article doesn't say what Boehner is asking for.

My guess is that there will be some kind of entitlement reform.

50 posted on 12/16/2012 8:35:41 PM PST by what's up
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