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Newtown Shooter Had Asperger Syndrome, And Some US Gun Facts
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Posted on 12/15/2012 9:39:53 AM PST by Perdogg

As we reported last night, buried inside the NYT biopic of Newtown shooter Adam Lanza was arguably one of the most important missing pieces in the story, at least so far, which could provide clues into partially explaining yesterday's tragic loss of young life, namely that the 20 year old man suffered from Asperger Syndrome, a high-functioning form of autism (two conditions which are being merged in the upcoming update of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM-5) manual of mental disorders), which has been traditionally associated with social communication difficulties, including flat affect, and one which in some clinical studies has been shown to have a causal link to violence. In other words, in addition to the surge in the debate over national gun control and access limitations (ignoring that the perpetrator of the biggest school mass murder in US history - the Bath School disaster - used openly purchased dynamite and no guns, also ignoring that in the US there are roughly 300 million firearms), perhaps there should also be a broad discussion as to the risks of social misadoption of children with autism and other social and behavioral disorders.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Connecticut
KEYWORDS: aspergers; autism; disorders; guncontrol; lanza; psychiatry; secondamendment
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To: Gunslingr3
Nice chart. .......SSRI - Silver Standard Resources Inc.

looks like a stock to consider.

101 posted on 12/15/2012 3:10:12 PM PST by TruthWillWin (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: mylife

People there are polite...”

You wouldn’t want to go on the night when my Republican women friends all gather for a evening of practice. You’ve have never heard such trash talking!


102 posted on 12/15/2012 3:38:22 PM PST by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: gaijin

Asperger’s is very real.


103 posted on 12/15/2012 3:39:52 PM PST by Scotswife
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To: Grams A

I have never seen trash talking at a gun range for the most part.
Good natured joking and competitiveness surely happens

On the rare occasion that we get a jackass they get corrected quickly and all is well in the world.


104 posted on 12/15/2012 3:48:17 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Texas Fossil

I have no faith in the effectiveness in the vast majority of the psyciatric profession.


As I wrote on this thread or another about this topic - it starts and ends with family.

You could just as easily say I have no faith in the education system - the criminal justice system - the emergency management system. While not true in all cases, the majority of mentally ill can survive and even thrive in a loving family and environment. Our culture has devolved into putting our responsibilities onto the government, or health care, or pharmacists, or schools, etc etc.

My family were simple country folk who took care of their own and did not rely on others. That applied to mentally ill relatives too. I am not saying to avoid using tools or there are not situations that require much more - but in many instances genuine love and family care can overcome what pills and government agencies/schools can’t.


105 posted on 12/15/2012 3:51:58 PM PST by volunbeer (We must embrace austerity or austerity will embrace us)
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To: volunbeer

Amen


106 posted on 12/15/2012 3:54:44 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: albionin
You are so quick to judge this person a monster, Something your religion forbids you to do by the way.

It's always amusing when atheists, liberals and muzzies attempt to lecture to Christians. The Bible does not forbid judgement. It cautions against it. It also encourages Christians to exercise some judgement "“Mtt 18. A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19 “Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 “So then, you will 1know them by their fruits."

107 posted on 12/15/2012 3:56:03 PM PST by Sirius Lee (RE SP - Republicans, from Mitt Romney ..to Karl Rove... are said to be concerned she will win.")
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To: albionin
You are so quick to judge this person a monster, Something your religion forbids you to do by the way.

It's always amusing when atheists, liberals and muzzies attempt to lecture to Christians. The Bible does not forbid judgement. It cautions against it. It also encourages Christians to exercise some judgement "“Mtt 18. A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19 “Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 “So then, you will 1know them by their fruits."

108 posted on 12/15/2012 3:56:11 PM PST by Sirius Lee (RE SP - Republicans, from Mitt Romney ..to Karl Rove... are said to be concerned she will win.")
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To: kabumpo

>>What are SSRIs?

Psych meds. Here’s a link for you.

SSRI Stories / Antidepressant Nightmares - “We Speak for the Dead to Protect the Living”
http://www.ssristories.com/

You’ll note there is a School Shootings / Incidents category.


109 posted on 12/15/2012 4:13:46 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Perdogg

Aspergers means very blunt, sometimes inappropriate speech, inability to grasp certain forms of humor (sarcasm in particular), general social awkwardness and a rather emotionless, flat effect most of the time, punctuated by occasional outbursts of frustration verging upon rage. The syndrome is often associated with fairly high intelligence, typically limited to a narrow area of specialization. High function autistic with elements of the savant.

Sounds like your average poster to internet forums and blogs, to me. Half the replies on a given FR thread would qualify, lol.

Such individuals would have been classified as merely eccentric in the past, before medical psychiatry became the automatic band-aid for any sort of deviance from the presumed behavioral norm.

It seems as if the occasional outbursts associated with the syndrome just build up steam in drugged individuals, leading to sometimes dangerously exaggerated episodes when the dam finally breaks.

Medicating such individuals needs serious examination and reconsideration, imho.


110 posted on 12/15/2012 4:29:53 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Abigail Adams

That would be excellent! An aspie parent could truly understand some of their needs first hand. I had to trust and respect. My belief that Gd makes everyone in His image helped me.


111 posted on 12/15/2012 4:38:48 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: gov_bean_ counter

Agree. Gd is there to help us and provide answers in the rom of science, love, etc. you don’t need to be godless to help people with mental illnesses. Gd wants us to help each other. But we can’t blame mental illness on the devil.


112 posted on 12/15/2012 4:41:05 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: KosmicKitty

Oh,there is definitely a group of symptoms that make the syndrome that is asperger’s. it exists, though many people with it may be professionally successful. And of course, raised in a loving accepting family,people with asperger’s wouldn’t hurt a fly.

But in certain families neurotypical kids become monsters. And I believe you could easier make a monster out of someone with asperger’s. they need modeled love MORE than the highly socially attuned.


113 posted on 12/15/2012 4:44:55 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Perdogg

>> one of the most important missing pieces in the story

What influence did Dad have on this troubled individual?


114 posted on 12/15/2012 4:46:09 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: volunbeer

agreed


115 posted on 12/15/2012 4:56:42 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: mylife

Ah, but this is our girl’s once a month night out and we are all very good friends. Of course, in traditional southern style we begin all the sentences with, “Well, bless your (or her) heart...”


116 posted on 12/15/2012 6:45:10 PM PST by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
I've been off this board for a number of years, but I need to respond to this:

You do not know that the shooter wasn’t schizophrenia. That is a disease that comes on suddenly in the early 20s. He may not have been diagnosed, but we’ll never know.

If his brain is autopsied they will. The cells in the brain message centers of schizophrenics are disordered. In normal brains, they go the same direction in a line. At least, when I did a lot of research on the disease years ago, that was the case. I can't imagine it's changed. Whichever mental illness or disorder this young man had was definitely NOT under control. I do hope a national discussion on mental illness will result from this incident, but I'm not holding my breath.

117 posted on 12/15/2012 7:25:52 PM PST by Desdemona
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To: Desdemona

As I understand it, there is also shrinkage in parts of the brain of a schitzophrenic. That being said, there are people who are “off” and there are people who are evil. This guy, whether “off” or not, must be evil to have gone after the children.


118 posted on 12/15/2012 7:28:34 PM PST by bannie ("The gov't that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.")
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To: Sirius Lee

:)


119 posted on 12/15/2012 7:30:04 PM PST by bannie ("The gov't that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.")
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To: gov_bean_ counter

“Try putting your snakes down and doing a little reading. Then we can talk.”

Every time I put the snakes down to try and “do a little reading”, they all start crawling away. So I drop the book and collect all the snakes. /sarc

Reading? Where should I start?

Kipling?

Hayakawa?

Shute?

Deming?

Dobson?

Swindoll?

Stanley?

Or would you prefer Jung or Skinner?


120 posted on 12/15/2012 8:45:25 PM PST by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

hey there gov, long time no talk. Good to hear from you again. Sorry I never got back to you on the Benghazi immunity question, but its been busy here, and I didn’t want to give a response that wasn’t carefully thought out, then procrastination set in, etc.

Anyway, the mental illness question is personal for me, as I am both a family member to such a person and, according to some, a Bible-thumping neanderthal, i.e., I do believe in such things as God, angels, demons, and the human spirit.

However, I also follow the long Reformed tradition of recognizing that God has graciously given us the tools of science, which we can use to understand and solve many human ailments.

So its “both and” for me. I have seen people benefit from psychiatric treatment that wasn’t just throwing meds at the patient till something stuck, but also addressed cognitive and spiritual issues. I do not accept the premise that we are just the sum of our chemical constituents. As a Christian, while I can benefit from understanding and treating the material component of any problem, I cannot be a pure materialist. There is a God, and therefore there is everything else that that first fact implies, including the reality that we are more than a bag of chemicals, but are noble, spiritual creatures, made in the image of God, with all the respect, challenges, and high expectations, that accompany that office.

Peace,

SR


121 posted on 12/15/2012 9:33:19 PM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Texas Fossil

Ok, thanks for telling me, I know about these, just didn’t know the acronym. I don’t think they would be effective for autism etc, but then psychiatry seems to want an external, medical solution to almost everything - very ironic, since when it began it was known as “the talking cure”.


122 posted on 12/15/2012 10:11:52 PM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: afraidfortherepublic; riri
I've lived with Asperger's my entire life; it hasn't been the easiest life, but it hasn't been the hardest either.

I'm what the shrinks call a Dreamer; I find a field of study that I like and I focus on it to the exclusion of almost everything else. Yes it makes me somewhat awkward in social settings (I don't always realize that other people aren't quite as interested in something that I find fascinating), but it hasn't stopped me from grabbing life by the horns and living it to its fullest. If anything, the fact that I analyze things to such a great extent has shown me just how fragile life truly is, so I am inclined to get the most out of every day that I am on this Earth.

123 posted on 12/15/2012 10:23:04 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson ( "I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy.")
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To: alphadog

Thanks for the information, I appreciate it.


124 posted on 12/15/2012 11:26:44 PM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Stonewall Jackson

Good luck and good health to you.

This Sandy Hook news coverage makes me really angry. I have one severely autistic grandchild and another who is thought to be Aspergers (different mothers). I can’t imagine either of them doing something like this. There must be thousands of people out there who could (or have) been designated Aspergers. 99.99% would never do anything as horrific as this.

On the other hand, untreated Paranoid Schizophrenics might. As I said earlier (either on this thread, or another) I have a Paranoid Schizophrenic man who works for me and is our most loyal and most dependable employee. He killed his mother about 27 years ago because of voices in his head that put him in fear of his own safety. Subsquently, he spent 13 years in the state mental hospital for the criminally insane. He’s worked for us about 6-7 years with no problem.

He is carefully managed by drugs and an army of social workers, psychologists, psychiatrists, and probation officers. His health insurance is through the state because of his pre-existing condition. He’s a wonderful employee and wonderful man (who spends most of his spare time volunteering through the church and through mental health organizations). He’s a smart and productive man with 2 engineering degrees, but his condition has NOTHING to do with Aspergers!


125 posted on 12/16/2012 8:06:39 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Stonewall Jackson

P.S. You sound like my grandson with the intense concentration on one, or two, subjects.


126 posted on 12/16/2012 8:09:03 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Desdemona

Thank you for your response. I did not know that and I appreciate the information. I just wish writers would stop painting this horrific tragedy (including those on this board) as the natural outcome of Asperger’s Syndrome.


127 posted on 12/16/2012 8:12:22 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: kabumpo

Soft Sandwiches Readily Ingested?

(White Castles, perhaps?)


128 posted on 12/16/2012 8:17:46 AM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Yaelle

I am of the belief that Aspergers, OCD, bipolar, autism, ADD, SAD, ADHD, schizo, dystemia (sp?)and all the others are just manifestations of our fallen nature, and in reality there are very, very few that don’t have a touch of it on some level.

Hell, when I was a kid I could block out everything in favor of what I was focused on. I practically ignored my sister after 2nd grade. I could be sociopathic to gushingly compassionate on any given day. Very socially awkward at times. You name it. I still don’t process social information the best, but considering what our society has become, I’m not sure I care anymore anyway. In fact I think the twisted crap is magnifying and aggravating it.

Bottom line is, as the saying goes, society is but a few days away from total civil breakdown and chaos. We all have it in us, some just suppress it better than others, some are better anesthetized by societies comforts, some have better drugs, and some simply have Jesus. None of us really escape it though.


129 posted on 12/16/2012 9:25:39 AM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! [You can vote Democrat when you're dead]...)
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To: Yaelle

The local support groups help a lot filling the holes missed by the medical profession. They don’t “cure” anything, but sure help in retaining balance in dealing with the inherent difficulty.


130 posted on 12/17/2012 5:36:44 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Ellendra

Hi Ellandra,

My son is almost at the age where he can start to understand that his brain works differently and adjust his lifestyle accordingly. He already recognizes that he’s different but like I said, he isn’t at the stage in which he can work with his situation to obtain the same outcome at a different angle than a ‘normal’ person.

Have you read ‘Look Me in the Eye’? Its an autobiography of of a guy that had (undiagnosed) Aspergers. Amazing the similarities between him and my son.

Mike


131 posted on 12/18/2012 9:13:43 AM PST by Hammerhead
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To: moovova
Would now be an appropriate time to voice concern for the 85 people (apprx) that died yesterday in auto accidents on our nation’s highways?

I'm actually more concerned with the 3300 people who were legally slaughtered yesterday (and the day before that, and the day before that ...) with the full approval of the demonicRat Party, its sycophants in Big Media, and leftists everywhere.

132 posted on 12/18/2012 9:40:45 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: pepsionice
You walk around during a seven day period, and there’s likely six people that you bump into...who have a mental issue of some sort or a drug issue...and they are a potential threat to your life.

Be polite.

Be courteous.

Be professional.

Be prepared to kill anyone you meet.

133 posted on 12/18/2012 9:43:22 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Perdogg

The more I read this thread, the more I think I’ve got some syndrome. Socially awkward in school. Bullied. A loner. I still don’t trust myself to joke around with folks for fear I will say something dumb. And yet I am happily married with two kids, good job, and I have never felt the slightest inclination to commit mass murder.

I’m not really trying to make a point. Just rambling.


134 posted on 12/18/2012 9:50:56 AM PST by Drawsing (The fool shows his annoyance at once. The prudent man overlooks an insult. (Proverbs 12:16))
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To: ArrogantBustard

” I’m actually more concerned with the 3300 people who were legally slaughtered...”

Me too. I fear Evil is winning. I truly feel surrounded by it.


135 posted on 12/18/2012 10:25:35 AM PST by moovova
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To: Drawsing
The more I read this thread, the more I think I’ve got some syndrome.

Feh ... I am who and what I am ... the psych(ologists|iatrists) can pound sand. I'm glad I'm not a kid these days, though ... I hate to think what sort of label those bastards would try to stick on me.

136 posted on 12/18/2012 10:28:48 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Perdogg

Having read several articles on Aspergers over the last few days, trying to soak up all I can... I am just floored...

Every “symptom” listed can also be ascribed to many other relatively common social characteristics across the population.

Difficulty socializing, difficulty understanding “body language”, generally poor social skills, “laser-like” fascination with single topics/subjects (like some here an politics!!!), fidgeting, etc.

Nowhere in any of the literature is there any indication that Aspergers is connected to violence.

Yet here we go with those who want to parade “Autism Spectrum” out and about...

Question - lets just propose for a second that Autism Spectrum/Aspergers really can remove a person’s empathy... does that make them somehow not responsible for any acts that they commit?

Lets say that the shooter in the Sandy Hook school really did have “Aspergers”... had he not taken his own life - or been killed by police or other person, would he then be somehow less guilty of the murders he committed? is he somehow not responsible for his actions?

And this brings up something that I’m sure will illicit a flaming response - if someone really has no moral compass or ability to determine right from wrong, so therefore cannot be held accountable for their actions - then what can we as a society do to protect the “greater good”? Do we just pretend they don’t exist - ignoring the problem until another school shooting or other mass violence takes place, then cry about it, ban more guns, then again ignore it like we have solved the problem?

Our society has grown ever-more irresponsible - few are held accountable for their actions and decisions - from education and being employed, to criminal acts and murder - society keeps engineering “excuses” under the guise of “compassion” and “bringing attention to real disorders”.

Where are the answers for a law-abiding citizen? Am I to give up my rights for the “security” of maybe preventing another “nut” from obtaining a weapon to kill me or someone else with? Sorry - but mankind has been killing each other throughout history. Spears, swords, clubs, sticks, bones, water, rocks, etc. Where does it end?


137 posted on 12/18/2012 11:30:58 AM PST by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: Hammerhead

Haven’t heard of that book before, I’ll add it to my reading list.

There’s one by Temple Grandin that was highly recommended, called “Unwritten Rules of Social Relationships”. I wish I could tell you firsthand how good it was, but dad borrowed my copy before I got the chance to read it, and I never saw it again. Hopefully that means he found it useful?


138 posted on 12/18/2012 11:35:41 AM PST by Ellendra (http://www.ustrendy.com/ellendra-nauriel/portfolio/18423/concealed-couture/)
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To: gaijin

Follow the money...

There are financial incentives to the diagnosis of “syndromes”, “disorders”, and other maladies - to public schools, they get extra funding from the federal government for every student with any sort of diagnosed “disorder” or “disability”, so they WANT those diagnosis - especially of children that other wise are pretty much able to function.

Doctors and pharmaceutical companies have reason to promote such diagnosis... $billions are on the line, with new markets with each new “disorder” diagnosed...

Mental health facilities gain from insurance, government payments, etc. for every patient they “treat” - regardless of the outcome or “success”, as there is little or no means of measuring any perceived improvement...

Universities receive grants, both public and private to “research” disorders. If they don’t cough up something, the money dries up. So they WILL find something... which returns the cycle back to the beginning.

And lest we forget - the “stigma” of a “mental disorder” has begun to be replaced with the acceptance of a “disorder” that becomes and excuse - an excuse for behavior, and excuse to not hold a job, an excuse to draw benefits (after all - many disorders now graduate rapidly to “disability”).


139 posted on 12/18/2012 11:40:27 AM PST by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: gaijin

“A “longtime” family friend said Lanza had a condition “where he couldn’t feel pain.”

Seriously? He supposedly couldn’t feel pain, so this is yet another excuse for murdering 20 children and several adults? I don’t think so...

But of course, politicians and anti-gun Marxists will tell us it was the fault of the gun...


140 posted on 12/18/2012 11:42:34 AM PST by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: riri
Lots of brilliant people who have made large contributions to society. Van Gogh, Jefferson, Edison are speculated to have had it. Hell, most of the engineers I have known are certainly candidates.

Mass murderers, all....

Or not...

141 posted on 12/18/2012 11:43:50 AM PST by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: Kansas58
Mental illness is real. There are abuses and malpractice does happen, of course, but the conditions are very real.

So we need to ban anything than one with a "mental illness" might use to inflict harm or death...

Mental illness has become the catch-all excuse mechanism. Are their real medically-identifiable mental illnesses? Yes. Is every "odd" person, or "socially awkward" person mentally ill? NO.

142 posted on 12/18/2012 11:46:06 AM PST by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: moovova

Or the 3000-4000 babies murdered in their mother’s wombs each and every day...


143 posted on 12/18/2012 11:55:45 AM PST by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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