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Nadler urges Obama to call the NRA enablers of mass murder
capitalnewyork.com ^ | December 14, 2012 | Dana Rubinstein

Posted on 12/14/2012 7:33:58 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

Today, following the shooting massacre of 20 children in a Connecticut school, President Obama said that "meaningful action" needed to be taken to prevent such tragedies from happening in the future.

But what "meaningful action" can Obama actually take, given Republican control of the House and Congress' deeply felt fear of the politically mighty National Rifle Association? And politics aside, what new laws would actually solve or make a dent in the country's crazed-gunman problem?

Rep. Jerry Nadler said thinks that the president has only one option.

"There’s only one meaningful action he can take, which is to take on the N.R.A., label them as the enablers of mass murderers* they are, really push for strong gun-control legislation and call out those congressional leaders who don’t support it," Nadler told me this afternoon.

"It is time to call out the N.R.A. as enablers of mass murder and start embarrassing people and saying, 'Who do you stand with? The parents and children of this country or the potential mass murderers?'"

Nadler said there's nothing else Obama can do, realistically.

"There is no other meaningful action," Nadler said. "He has to know that. ... I can’t imagine what else he could have meant."

Nadler attributes the N.R.A.'s power to its ability to terrify politicians.

"If you cross the N.R.A. in certain districts, you know that X percent of people are going to come out and vote against you just because of that," said Nadler. "The N.R.A. will come out and run dishonest ads saying you're in favor of taking guns away from hunters."

By Nadler's logic, the only way to counteract the N.R.A. electoral influence is to wield the power of really bad P.R., and he thinks the president is well-equipped to do that, even if he's been unwilling in the past.


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KEYWORDS: democrats; guncontrol; jerroldnadler; nadler; sandyhookpolitics; sandyhookshooting; secondamendment
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Twice as many people are killed by autommobiles every year as opposed to those killed by Guns. AAA are enablers of Mass Murder!

And those dirty car manufacturers should be sued, their products are inherently dangerous!

Soon we will need an amendment securing our right to drive an automobile!


51 posted on 12/14/2012 8:30:24 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Hey Jerry, just go gobble down another brisket!


52 posted on 12/14/2012 8:35:58 PM PST by vette6387
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To: Drew68
I'm afraid this won't be enough. I have a bad feeling this event will galvanize support for gun control and at the very least, we can expect a line-for-line resurrection of the Clinton-era AWB right around the corner. Obama will cut a deal with House Republicans to push it through. Obama currently enjoys political capital that Clinton didn't have in '94. He doesn't have to worry about re-election and nobody's afraid of the "Angry White Male" like they were two decades ago. The minority and female voters who sent Obama back to the White House will support him on this.

Good ol' Freeper Pessimism. I expect no the AWB will not be restored. No way would it pass the House.

53 posted on 12/14/2012 8:36:02 PM PST by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: jda
I agree with you.

Unfortunately, after today we are in a shrinking minority of Americans.

We can yell and scream about guns don't kill people... or folks supporting the constitution can frame the debate about how to keep crazies from killing 5 year olds with guns.

As of today digging in and doing and saying the same old same old is not going to work ...

54 posted on 12/14/2012 8:42:40 PM PST by montanajoe
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To: Repeal 16-17
Good ol' Freeper Pessimism. I expect no the AWB will not be restored. No way would it pass the House.

Maybe. Maybe not. But I don't believe, particularly after this last election that the NRA will be as feared as it once was. And you know the media is going to play this up for all it's worth. When America is treated to scenes of grieving parents, unopened Christmas presents and little kid-sized coffins, the NRA isn't going to have a pot to piss in.

55 posted on 12/14/2012 8:44:37 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Repeal 16-17
Good ol' Freeper Pessimism.

I do hope I'm wrong.

56 posted on 12/14/2012 8:48:06 PM PST by Drew68
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To: antceecee

Jerry Nadler; AKA “The Waddler”.


57 posted on 12/14/2012 8:55:46 PM PST by printhead (Standard & Poor - Poor is the new standard.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The enablers are the people who designate schools, malls, etc. as “gun-free” zones. To a wacked out individual, that means a free-fire zone, a place where any and all bodies are simply targets such as in their favorite video game. The only way it could be worse would be if everyone wore a number around their neck designating scores!


58 posted on 12/14/2012 8:56:23 PM PST by Rembrandt (Part of the 51% who pay Federal taxes)
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To: smoothsailing
nadler was elected by the majority of the voters in his district. He represents them for a reason, that reason being they think the way he does. The problem isn't nads, but New Yorkers. Anyone who loves freedom and doesn't despise New Yorkers is suffering from a reality disconnect
59 posted on 12/14/2012 9:03:30 PM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Drew68
“Good ol’ Freeper Pessimism.”

No its the good old Freeper echo chamber...

Remember how Romney, McCain were going to win by a landslide, how the Supreme Court was going to strike down Obamacare, the birther issue was going to bring down O, how Deep Water Horizon had opened up cracks in the sea bed...

IMHO too many people calling themselves conservatives simply refuse to look at the way the world is....they react they dont create new arguments..

60 posted on 12/14/2012 9:05:33 PM PST by montanajoe
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To: Kenny
Don't bank on that saving us.

You got that right. Most Republicans are NOT pro freedom, but just a different flavor of statist than Democraps

61 posted on 12/14/2012 9:08:58 PM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Photobucket These days we the people are told not to fight back.....
We are to huddle in a corner somewhere and hope that our saviors will arrive in time We are now conditioned to summit to our aggressors like good little prey.
62 posted on 12/14/2012 9:09:46 PM PST by baddog 219
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Nadler is a modern day Kapo, who would oversee defenseless Jews being marched in an orderly way to the gas chambers.

Any Jew who is pro-gun control is a genocide enabler.

Mark


63 posted on 12/14/2012 9:20:34 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: montanajoe
In the USA, after today, the idea that universal access to firearms is acceptable is dead.

Folks who support the 2nd Amendment need to come up with solid proposals to keep guns out of the hands of the crazies. If we don't do that, the rest of the country is going to figure out ways to keep guns out of every ones hands...

Yep. You get it. As do I. Too many others here seem to want to bury their heads in the sand while parading the same old tired bumper-sticker platitudes. Here's a newsflash to these folks: What happened today wasn't just another run-of-the-mill mass shooting that America will forget about in a week. Oh, no. This one is going to stick around for a while.

64 posted on 12/14/2012 9:27:41 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Why doesn’t he NRA have these people bought off? We know they’re all whores. Give fatty Nadler enough money and he’ll become the strongest defender of gun ownership.


65 posted on 12/14/2012 9:31:43 PM PST by Terry Mross ( I don't watch the "news". Someone ping me if anything big happens.)
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To: Drew68
today wasn't just another run-of-the-mill mass shooting

What the hell do find is "run of the mill" about the massacre of 20 children in an elementary school?

66 posted on 12/14/2012 9:37:36 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Today we are fortunate to get the opinions of two heavyweights, Michael Moore and Jerry Nadler.


67 posted on 12/14/2012 9:39:11 PM PST by windsorknot
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Forks and spoons made Jerry the Hutt the fat, disgusting slob that ue is today. How ‘bout we ban those, you grossly obese Commie bastard?


68 posted on 12/14/2012 9:39:32 PM PST by Ancesthntr (Banning guns to prevent crime is like banning cars to prevent drunk driving.)
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To: Alaska Wolf
What the hell do find is "run of the mill" about the massacre of 20 children in an elementary school?

Exactly my point. Nothing. And people here would be wise to understand that this one is different and won't so quickly disappear from the national consciousness.

69 posted on 12/14/2012 9:43:58 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Tailgunner Joe
from the waddler that needs help to wipe his own arse... feh
70 posted on 12/14/2012 9:51:13 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
These kinds of tragedies are unheard of...

In North Korea!

71 posted on 12/14/2012 9:55:36 PM PST by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: MtnMan101
“It is time to call out the N.R.A. as enablers of mass murder and start embarrassing people and saying, ‘Who do you stand with? The parents and children of this country or the potential mass murderers?’”

I Stand with the Constitution, Sir. You may have heard of it.
It says that libtard,stateist morons like you cannot touch my legally acquired guns.

72 posted on 12/14/2012 10:14:04 PM PST by Texas Patriot61 (Gun control is being able to hit your target.)
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To: montanajoe

Folks who support the 2nd Amendment need to come up with solid proposals to keep guns out of the hands of the crazies. If we don’t do that, the rest of the country is going to figure out ways to keep guns out of every ones hands...


except the crazies..

There is probably 100 laws already on the books that this guy broke.

One more would not have made him stop and think “wow.. 101 laws.. well there goes that idea. if was only 100.. well then I’d be set!”

Banning guns won’t work. I know we agree on that.

There is no solid way to keep guns out of the hands of crazy people. None.

So how do we fix this? The fact is we can’t.

But we can prevent it from happening by allowing citizens to be armed where ever they are.

This includes teachers.


73 posted on 12/14/2012 10:32:08 PM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: Drew68
people here would be wise to understand that this one is different and won't so quickly disappear from the national consciousness.

I heard and read that after Columbine, 9/11, Aurora and others. The anti-gunners will attempt to use this massacre by a psycho as a political football and it will get thrown back in their faces......again.

74 posted on 12/14/2012 10:33:01 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: doorgunner69

I think your on to something.

This guys voter registration is likely the first thing they checked.

Have not heard he was a rabid right wing nut job yet.

I wonder if he is one of theirs like so many in the past have been.

Obama tried to sell guns to the Mexicans to push for gun control.

While I am not saying Obama is behind this, I can’t say he’s complaining it happened and won’t let this crisis go to waste.


75 posted on 12/14/2012 10:38:15 PM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Yet not one word about the 52 million babies who have had a hole drilled in their skull, their brain sucked out and their bodies burned.

Miserable hypocrites.


76 posted on 12/14/2012 10:40:01 PM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

THIS JUST IN FROM FOREIGN PRESS: While the US media cry about gun control, the foreign media point out that an innocent man Ryan Lanza was accused by the US media (and its followers, many of them here) of being a mass murderer!


77 posted on 12/14/2012 10:41:56 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

In the 1920’s & 30’s my Grandfather had to put up with the bedsheet wearing Democrat party terrorist wing know as the Ku Klux Klan now dirty Democrat politicians are trying to do to me what the Klan did to my Grandfather . Not on my watch you dirty motherf*cker.


78 posted on 12/14/2012 11:48:18 PM PST by Nebr FAL owner
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To: cableguymn

ditto what you said, cableguymn. Freedom has risks. That’s the way it is. You choose to be free because even though it causes grief sometimes, it’s better than the alternative.

People forget what life was like in countries that fell to communist tyranny. Millions died defenseless. You never were secure in your own home, you could be “disappeared” on a whim. You could be sent to the gulag for “reeducation,” or the psych ward for “treatment” of your dislike of tyranny. This is a place we cannot go.

So we begin with a dark premise, that even free people can be sometimes be bad people, and so we equip everyone with the means of self defense, including the schools. Like Adam Smith accepting the reality of economic self-interest, we liberate ourselves by accepting the reality that we must occasionally confront evil with lethal force, even as private citizens.

But the sympathetic images this tragedy will create, will tempt us to surrender our premise for a temporary political peace. But we cannot accept the premise of the left, that the state must own and control all the means of self defense. This is just the state asserting it’s ownership of you personally. This is slavery, and it is why every freeman must fight to the bitter end to hang on to his own power of protecting his own life.

So rather that accepting the left’s premise and scurrying to join them in further restricting access to means of self defense (you too could be considered a “crazy” just for not loving dear leader), this is precisely the time for us to push back and assert our own premise, that our own life has so much value that we have the right and deserve the the power to protect it, even if that involves the risk of occasional abuse, and even if it means requiring educators to be trained and skillful in the use of weapons to defend our children.

While that would be a bitter pill for the lefty educator class to swallow, now is the time to confront this. We have been too lax in the defense of our children, too willing to accept the left’s psychotic belief that man can evolve himself to a point where innocent human life will never be in danger, as long as we surrender all control of the means of self-protection to the government. That is truly insane. We don’t have to accept our own enslavement. We can make the argument for armed self-defense on first principles, and we can win, because we are right, and this is the time to make that stand.


79 posted on 12/14/2012 11:55:17 PM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Repeal 16-17

0bama and his Executive Orders don’t care about the House. If he can use it to overturn immigration law...


80 posted on 12/15/2012 12:05:45 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: Candor7
Speaking of faux oboma and the shedding of his faux tears today, did oboma shed any tears as those babies who were late stage abortions, slowly suffered and died in some closet that a nurse had put them in, which did happen in a hospital in Springfield, IL I believe? oboma heartily believes in deaths such as these, and in deaths for the elderly, the disabled, the sick, and only believes in heath care for the 20, 30, 40 year olds who will be able-bodied and productive for the state. And as he told the woman who asked about health care for her elderly mother, her mother should be given a pain pill and allowed to die..she was too old for the health care she required.

Be sure to mention these facts to anyone who comments on how oboma shed his tears....phony POS that he is, President Death, I call him.

81 posted on 12/15/2012 1:32:30 AM PST by itssme
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To: grandpa jones
"The Pearl (MS) High school shooting in 1997 was the first of the recent phenomenom of school shootings. I remember it well, because one of the students who was wounded is my cousin's boy. In this case, the shooter was stopped by Coach Joe Myrick, who kept his Model 1911 Colt .45 in the glove compartment of his pickup truck. He caught up with the shooter while he was reloading, and disarmed him."

Outcomes like that need to get a lot more publicity, but the MSM filter is the usual problem. The NRA needs to come out hard about the abolition of gun free victim zones so that teachers and staff can defend themselves. As long as we are fighting the gun banners with their rules of just how many more restrictions there will be, we will lose.

82 posted on 12/15/2012 3:07:55 AM PST by Truth29
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To: SECURE AMERICA

“I stand with the millions of AMERICANS that carry concealed that would have dropped this piece of shit in a heart beat had we been there. Stop the game playing with dead children you friggin moron. Those guns did not walk into that school on their own. A sick demented human being did that. We have a PEOPLE problem not a gun problem.”

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I completely agree. I had this discussion with my Canadian husband, and my 17 year-old son, yesterday. They think I am ... well, let’s say “wrong” for thinking that having gun-free zones in schools, and no trained adults capable of taking this guy out, is a good idea. Imagine if a janitor or other teacher had a concealed carry permit—there would be more children alive today.


83 posted on 12/15/2012 4:51:23 AM PST by proud American in Canada (Pray for America.)
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To: SkyDancer

“PS - If that group, the Westboro church shows up at any of those kid’s funeral ... G-d help them. We won’t.”

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Oh no—I hope not. That would really be cruel. Actually, “cruel” doesn’t even describe it.

And it’s not just those poor children and their families—all the other children in the school are scarred for life, psychologically.

This type of evil is incomprehensible—and it must not be compounded by a group of crazy protesters.

May G-d rest those children’s souls and give their families peace.


84 posted on 12/15/2012 5:02:33 AM PST by proud American in Canada (Pray for America.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I smell a whiff of fascism in the air...
85 posted on 12/15/2012 5:15:13 AM PST by CPT Clay (Follow me on Twitter @Clay N TX)
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To: jda

Good post. Laws only influence those who have a penchant to be law abiding citizens. Others could care less.

We need to see an objective demographic and religious analysis of those that are most vociferous about hog tying law abiding Americans with more gun control regulations. If it was disproportionately (which it isn’t) mostly American-Irish or American Indians it would be made into an obvious issue.


86 posted on 12/15/2012 5:49:05 AM PST by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: Seaplaner

This is slander, without question. Nadler now needs to be brought to his knees over this.


87 posted on 12/15/2012 6:11:08 AM PST by off-roader
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To: Seaplaner

This is slander, without question. Nadler now needs to be brought to his knees over this.


88 posted on 12/15/2012 6:11:22 AM PST by off-roader
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To: Seaplaner

This is slander, without question. Nadler now needs to be brought to his knees over this.


89 posted on 12/15/2012 6:11:22 AM PST by off-roader
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To: Alaska Wolf
I heard and read that after Columbine, 9/11, Aurora and others. The anti-gunners will attempt to use this massacre by a psycho as a political football and it will get thrown back in their faces......again.

This time things are going to be different. Just watch.

In 1994 Clinton picked a fight with the NRA and got his ass handed to him in the following mid-term elections, an election often touted as the "revenge of the Angry White Male". So chagrined were the democrats by this beating that the fled from their platform of gun control. Mass shootings came and went with nary a peep from the Democrats.

One month ago Democrats learned a valuable lesson. With changing demographics on their side, they learned that they can lose the "Angry White Male" vote by huge numbers and still win elections. Who are the primary supporters of gun rights and the NRA? White males. White males that the Democrats are going to be less fearful of pissing off because they now know they can still win without us.

I will be very surprised if Obama sits by and does nothing this time around. He's got nothing to lose and the ethnic and gender demographics who elected him will support him on this. I hope I'm wrong but I smell a fight in the air and after looking at the recent election results, I am not confident we'll be able to win this time around. Now might be a good time to make some of those purchases you've been holding off on.

90 posted on 12/15/2012 6:11:43 AM PST by Drew68
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To: off-roader

Nadler once cried......”help! I’m on my knees and I can’t get up”


91 posted on 12/15/2012 6:13:09 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: Drew68

Also the NRA went “all in” to beat Obama this time.

I am a member and the magazines, news letters, e-mails, etc., were all “we have to stop Obamma”.

So, yes, it is all-out war, and NRA is about all we have.

NRA has to get out message of arming teachers & principals and/or putting armed police in schools.

They put armed air marshalls on airplanes to deter hijackers. Armed guards in government buildings, court houses, banks..

Why invite these freaks to schools where it is a a known “no gun” zone?


92 posted on 12/15/2012 6:20:08 AM PST by shalom aleichem
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To: Drew68
You are correct. Unfortunately, some type of new federal gun control laws are inevitible.
93 posted on 12/15/2012 6:25:04 AM PST by Sarabaracuda (Comprehensive Immigration Reform NOW!)
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To: Drew68

The smart thing to do is to come out in support of a law of our own which will be less restrictive than the other side’s, otherwise we will be stuck with the harsher law. Sadly, we will probably be saddled with the harsher one because of the zealotry of the extremists on both sides.


94 posted on 12/15/2012 6:30:36 AM PST by Sarabaracuda (Comprehensive Immigration Reform NOW!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

And a spoon made Nadler fat.


95 posted on 12/15/2012 6:41:18 AM PST by bmwcyle (We have gone over the cliff and we are about to hit the bottom)
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To: cableguymn
I'm not so sure that arming the left wing communist preaching group known as the Teachers Union is such a great idea. In effect, we would be creating well organized, shoulder to shoulder army that will do the bidding of the anti-american communist leaders that have infiltrated and run the government.

Requiring all children twelve years or older to complete a fire arm safety class and receiving a Fire Arms ID card on passing might be a better idea.

96 posted on 12/15/2012 6:50:01 AM PST by RavenLooneyToon (Tail gunner Joe was right.)
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To: montanajoe

> Folks who support the 2nd Amendment need to come up with solid proposals to keep guns out of the hands of the crazies.<

For starters, there needs to be major reform in commitment law in this country, particularly when parents, who know when their child or adult child might pose a danger to others, are hamstrung in getting meaningful help for an ill family member.

Gun control is a straw man.


97 posted on 12/15/2012 6:51:23 AM PST by Darnright ("I don't trust liberals, I trust conservatives." - Lucius Annaeus Seneca)
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To: Sarabaracuda
The smart thing to do is to come out in support of a law of our own which will be less restrictive than the other side’s, otherwise we will be stuck with the harsher law.

Unfortunately so. Compromise only goes one way. We compromise on what guns we'll give up while the Democrats compromise on what they'll let us keep. Obama has long supported the Clinton-era AWB and I think this is exactly what we'll get --with possibly a ban on gun shows and private sales thrown in for good measure.

Please keep in mind that laws aren't about saving lives. They're about making people feel good. Arming teachers won't make people feel good. Banning assault rifles and high-cap magazines will.

98 posted on 12/15/2012 6:55:12 AM PST by Drew68
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To: Tailgunner Joe
There’s only one meaningful action he can take, which is to take on the N.R.A., label them as the enablers of mass murderers

Jerry Nadler's massive food intake causes world hunger. Let's pass a law that says he can't eat.

99 posted on 12/15/2012 7:32:28 AM PST by Poison Pill (Take your silver lining and SHOVE IT!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Look what crawled out from under a rock - Gohring’s fat Nazi cousin. Seig heil, Nadler.


100 posted on 12/15/2012 8:21:40 AM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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