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To: Cowboy Bob; Kaslin; camle; Uncle Miltie; Venturer; mike_9958; neverdem; EQAndyBuzz; All
I'm confused here. If the "Bush tax cuts" expire, the rates will go back to what they were under Clinton. The Democrats and MSM have been telling us for years that Clinton's tax HIKES are what created the economic boom of the 90s. If that is the case, won't the expiration of the Bush tax cuts be a good thing?

And that's exactly why going off the "fiscal cliff" is not a disaster for Republican Congress, that most old and tired political retreads commentators on the left and the right (with the convenient "polls" to "prove" it) are trying to tell us and the weak-kneed House Republicans.

The reality is that this is actually an opportunity: the problem will be much bigger for "conservative" Democrats in the House and the Dems in the Senate (e.g., see Democrats urge delay for 'job-killing' Obamacare tax - FR / WE, by Byron York, 2012 December 13).

Dems will have to deal with the screaming constituents who will be hit with real cuts in the programs, increased "Clinton taxes," and real layoffs by the "evil 2 percenters" (which would happen anyway with Obama's tax rate increases, independent of whatever happens with the other tax rates).

Obama may count on being able to offer the so-called "tax cut" (reverting to Bush tax rates for "everybody but top 2%" but the Republicans can offer "comprehensive tax reform" reverting to "Bush tax cut" (which suddenly will become very popular with the "poor" and even the liberal "middle class" set) and also offer to remove Obamacare's taxes on medical devices (see link above) and Obamacare's 3.8% tax on dividends and capital gains (same rationale as "job-killing" taxes on the "middle-class job creators").

In other words, Obama wants "pain" because he thinks he can get advantage from it, the GOP House can use the same pain to attract enough "conservative" Dems in the House and the Senate to push Obama, because they will not survive 2014 elections.

Political jiujitsu, plain and simple. This is a great opportunity - think what Nancy Pelosi would do with Republican President if the roles were reversed. The alternative is forever cowering in fear for the next round of class warfare.

14 posted on 12/13/2012 11:55:09 AM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: CutePuppy

Irrelevant. Obama’s Presidency is about the media controlling the message. “Control the information, control the people.”


15 posted on 12/13/2012 12:14:34 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (You cant bring something to its knees that refuses to stand on its own)
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To: CutePuppy

“In other words, Obama wants “pain” because he thinks he can get advantage from it, the GOP House can use the same pain to attract enough “conservative” Dems in the House and the Senate to push Obama, because they will not survive 2014 elections.”

Let me add, that Obama’s power comes from a weak economy. Dems, like other socialists stay in power by keeping the country poor and giving out entitlements. The Reps must make Obama’s voters feel pain - they don’t vote R anyway, and really two years is forever, in voter memory.

This is a game where we weaken Obama - taxes are part of it. If he is weakened the dems will run against him and Republicans can get us moving again. Congress will always get the blame, but really who cares about congress. Most of us like our Congress person - everyone else’s blows.


18 posted on 12/13/2012 4:54:56 PM PST by mike_9958
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