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Immelt: Communist China 'Works'
The Weekly Standard ^ | Dec 10, 2012 | DANIEL HALPER

Posted on 12/10/2012 8:35:09 PM PST by DaveTesla

Immelt: The one thing that actually works, state run communism a bit– may not be your cup of tea, but their government works."

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Our Jobs Czar saying communisum Works...
1 posted on 12/10/2012 8:35:14 PM PST by DaveTesla
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To: DaveTesla

In a manner of speaking, so did Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge.


2 posted on 12/10/2012 8:36:34 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: DaveTesla

Good goddamned thing so many of us fought Communism during the Cold War....only to see it take root in the highest levels of our government and business.

Time for another revolution.


3 posted on 12/10/2012 8:37:24 PM PST by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: DaveTesla

We are living in a Kafka novel.


4 posted on 12/10/2012 8:38:19 PM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: DaveTesla
"I have seen the future, and it works" -- Lincoln Steffans

That Joe Stalin! He really had it all figured out, didn't he?

5 posted on 12/10/2012 8:38:39 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Republicans have made themselves useless, toothless, and clueless.)
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To: DaveTesla

What the PRC practices is more like classical Fascism as defined by Mussolini - still, it a left-wing kookdoodle dream none the less.


6 posted on 12/10/2012 8:41:58 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: DaveTesla

oh yeah, slave labor, these people are demons


7 posted on 12/10/2012 8:42:50 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: DaveTesla

Fascist Italy worked—the trains ran on time.


8 posted on 12/10/2012 8:43:33 PM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: DaveTesla
I've been to China...recently.In fact,I visited two of China's largest and most prosperous cities,Guangzhou and Shenzhen,both being within an hour or so of Hong Kong.Everything I saw in both cities suggests that even the people *there* live like animals.OTOH,Hong Kong *does* work thanks to the system (and infrastructure) left in place by the Brits and the hard work of the Chinese people there who live,and work,in freedom.
9 posted on 12/10/2012 8:43:44 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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To: DaveTesla

I these out of executives who think they know what is best for us. And Jeffery boy was big into outsourcing jobs overseas too !


10 posted on 12/10/2012 8:44:33 PM PST by CORedneck
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To: Army Air Corps

Can we just get to the shooting phase now.


11 posted on 12/10/2012 8:45:37 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: DaveTesla

Perhaps Mr.Immelt Wishes to add to the 110 million?

12 posted on 12/10/2012 8:46:34 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: DaveTesla

There was a time when this would have gotten him fired. No longer. Right now, Keith Ellison could yell out “Death to America! Alluah Akbar!” in Congress, and no one would even blink.


13 posted on 12/10/2012 8:47:24 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Viennacon

Heck, some would probably stand and clap.


14 posted on 12/10/2012 8:49:17 PM PST by austinaero
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To: Army Air Corps

I don’t think Mussolini had outright slavery.


15 posted on 12/10/2012 8:49:36 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: DaveTesla

“Their government works...”

lol.

You won’t see them having opposition parties. Dissent can mean a death sentence.

Liberal wet dreams


16 posted on 12/10/2012 8:50:58 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Fiji Hill

Thereisienstadt worked too, if you didn’t bother to look beneath the surface.


17 posted on 12/10/2012 8:51:10 PM PST by dfwgator
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18 posted on 12/10/2012 8:56:02 PM PST by narses
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19 posted on 12/10/2012 8:56:56 PM PST by narses
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To: Gay State Conservative
"Everything I saw in both cities suggests that even the people *there* live like animals."

Right...

That's what happens when you strip people of their religion and culture.

20 posted on 12/10/2012 8:58:21 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: GeronL

“Liberal wet dreams”

That’s exactly what it is.


21 posted on 12/10/2012 8:59:51 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: DaveTesla

Murder and the threat of murder does have a way of keeping the people in line.


22 posted on 12/10/2012 9:01:27 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: DaveTesla
Can't Break an Omelet without Breaking some eggs-Walter Duranty on the Ukrainian Holodomor.

The Left in the country didn't give a Sh!t about the Starvation in Ukraine back then and still doesn't today.

In fact, judging by what Billy Ayers wanted to do, Ubama, Immelt and the rest of this Satanist Crew WANT an American Holodomor.

23 posted on 12/10/2012 9:02:39 PM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: DaveTesla

Well since no one is stopping them (or seems to care) why not?


24 posted on 12/10/2012 9:03:14 PM PST by Tzimisce (What do you do when every every branch of the government is corrupt and aligned against you?)
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To: GlockThe Vote
Irony, thy name is norinco...
25 posted on 12/10/2012 9:03:52 PM PST by Yehuda
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To: DaveTesla

what a blithering ass


26 posted on 12/10/2012 9:08:20 PM PST by Nifster
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To: DaveTesla
And a large multinational corporation as well.

Large shareholder value, price subsidization, low environmental regulations, etc.

Communism is good for business, that has been the model for years.

Only a fool would continue a production line in the US when ya could have done it overseas on the cheap, with communist help.

Now, through various forms of wage arbitrage we Americans are the poor saps who are getting the 'leveling' of the playing field, but that was all by design anyway.

27 posted on 12/10/2012 9:08:45 PM PST by Theoria (Romney is a Pyrrhic victory.)
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To: DaveTesla

It is really rather silly to call the present Chinese system communism. To be sure, that’s what they still call it, but names don’t make it so. All those Democratic Peoples Republics were none of those things.

Any system with many aspects of a free market economy, not to mention private property millionaires and billionaires, isn’t communist in any logical sense of the term.

Totalitarian, fascist, statist, murderous, oppressive, kleptocratic, and lots of other negative adjectives. But not communist.

It’s actually much closer to the traditional Chinese system of control by the mandarins, with scholar-officials replaced by Party members. And now with Mao gone they don’t really have the equivalent of an Emperor, so the mandarins are running a collective system of control. This never worked before in 2000+ years of Chinese history. An Emperor was needed to keep the mandarins’ corruption from getting completely out of control, which is what I suspect will happen.

North Korea, with its 3rd-generation hereditary God-King, is even farther from communism.


28 posted on 12/10/2012 9:12:23 PM PST by Sherman Logan (Brought to you by one of the unpopular pale penis people.)
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To: yldstrk
oh yeah, slave labor, these people are demons

Exactly. China provides slave labor for the West, as well building ghost cities and roads to nowhere.

29 posted on 12/10/2012 9:14:48 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: KC_Lion

OMG...yes, I think Ayers and Obama would do the same....


30 posted on 12/10/2012 9:15:33 PM PST by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - both were a coup d'etat.)
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To: Sherman Logan
“Totalitarian, fascist, statist, murderous, oppressive, kleptocratic, and lots of other negative adjectives. But not communist.

Excuse me...
That is precisely what makes China communist.

When all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating dictatorship by very definition makes China Communist.

31 posted on 12/10/2012 9:26:23 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: Aria
Larry Grathwohl (An FBI Informer with the Weathermen)on Ayers’ plan for American re-education camps and the need to kill millions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWMIwziGrAQ

http://www.amazon.com/Bringing-Down-America-Informer-Weathermen/dp/B0000E9VI8

32 posted on 12/10/2012 9:36:15 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: DaveTesla

Nope. There are numerous existing and possible varieties of totalitarianism. Communism refers to the variety that is ideologically focused primarily on enforcing human social and economic equality. In theory, of course, not practice.

Here’s the Wikipedia definition: “Communism (from Latin communis - common, universal) is a revolutionary socialist movement to create a classless and stateless social order structured upon common ownership of the means of production, as well as a social, political and economic ideology that aims at the establishment of this social order.”

China has in the last few decades drifted so far from this definition that IMO it no longer fits in the least.

I’m not sure what you mean by “a single and self-perpetuating dictatorship,” but if you mean China has an autocratic dictator, this is just no longer the case. They have a collective dictatorship by the Party leaders, but no single individual with the power of Stalin or Mao.

YMMV


33 posted on 12/10/2012 9:39:35 PM PST by Sherman Logan (Brought to you by one of the unpopular pale penis people.)
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To: DaveTesla

Elites: too lazy to design a business model where they can bring products to market, employ free men as labor and where everybody wins.

Instead, Serfdom, 2012, and the free men in America have no jobs, which is destroying the greatest consumer marketplace in the history of the world: America.

Feudalism -> Slavery -> Immigration -> Outsourcing.

This is why Traditional Judeo-Christian Small Business is best.


34 posted on 12/10/2012 9:47:11 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Sherman Logan

Perhaps you should look up the definition of communisum:

com·mu·nism noun

1. a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.

2. A system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/communism


35 posted on 12/10/2012 9:51:54 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: PieterCasparzen

“Elites: too lazy to design a business model where they can bring products to market, employ free men as labor and where everybody wins.”

Those that can’t (won’t) steal.


36 posted on 12/10/2012 9:58:23 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: DaveTesla

What is compulsory labour?


37 posted on 12/10/2012 9:59:19 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: DaveTesla; All

Seems like this is the same stuff I always hear from supporters of Free Trade with Communist China....I mean, if you still support Free Trade with Communist China, you pretty much like Communism anyway


38 posted on 12/10/2012 10:03:19 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Seems that the ones who understand little about the economy are economists)
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To: Gay State Conservative

You have to keep things in perspective. 40 years ago, everyone in China was dirt poor. Now China has 147 Billionaires and one MILLION new millionaires. It is not easy to upgrade 1,500,000,000 people’s standard of living.

Peking & Shanghai now has more millionaires than LosAngeles.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100289964


39 posted on 12/10/2012 10:03:19 PM PST by entropy12 (The republic is doomed when people figure out they can get free stuff by voting democrats)
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To: DaveTesla

Keep this in mind the next time you hear a Democrat talking about “bringing manufacturing jobs back to the U.S.A.”. They’re envisioning your children and grandchildren manufacturing iPhones in much the same way they’re manufactured now.

Once a slave party, always a slave party. These people are evil to their core.


40 posted on 12/10/2012 10:07:27 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: Army Air Corps

Yes,
The prisons (concentration camps) did use forced labor like the Nazi’s.


41 posted on 12/10/2012 10:10:29 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: TigersEye

>> Murder and the threat of murder does have a way of keeping the people in line.

Consequently, the 2nd Amendment.


42 posted on 12/10/2012 10:11:08 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: DaveTesla

Excuse me...
That is precisely what makes China communist.

When all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating dictatorship by very definition makes China Communist.


You are correct, and the cheerleader for the Communist Chinese is patently wrong

The former Yugoslavia had many of the same “features” as the current Communist China....actually, Yugo. had more...there was a little more personal freedom and not as much government intrusion

However...the world, and, Yugoslavia, never argued when Yugo. was referred to as Communist

Communist China retains many aspects of Communism: Central Planning, Strict party membership rules (nomenclature), and the ever famous Politburo.

As one of my professors told me: “Some people think China is no longer Communist because they opened a few McDonals there”.


43 posted on 12/10/2012 10:13:12 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Seems that the ones who understand little about the economy are economists)
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To: Gene Eric

Well, yes, that’s pretty obvious. The right, of course, exists with or without a written guarantee. Even with a legal guarantee the right is useless if there is no will to employ it.


44 posted on 12/10/2012 10:16:06 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: SeminoleCounty

“you pretty much like Communism anyway”

Except when your the slave.
Some people have no soul.


45 posted on 12/10/2012 10:16:19 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: Sherman Logan; Olog-hai

>Any system with many aspects of a free market economy,

The Chinese basically adopted those aspects as a means to an end. Take a look at the current constitution of Communist China to see what they’re really about.

http://english.people.com.cn/constitution/constitution.html

Such as Articles 1-7, 15-24.

Red China is of course still a one-party state. Over there, what the government gives, the government can take away, should they feel like it.

Even the USSR had millionaires.

If you’re looking for a “true communist country”, then you are looking for a pipe dream. The Manifesto goes no further than making the socialist state all-powerful and lying about it “wither(ing) away”. So no need to bother talking about the lie.


46 posted on 12/10/2012 10:16:30 PM PST by Jacob Kell
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To: DaveTesla

An economic recession would become very bloody very fast.


47 posted on 12/10/2012 10:16:35 PM PST by Mike Darancette (I don't understand why the Boomers are so passive.)
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To: DaveTesla; Pelham

so did segregation and apartheid in many ways compared to the present problems

bet Immelt would never say that..lol


48 posted on 12/10/2012 10:22:27 PM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: Jacob Kell
“Even the USSR had millionaires.”

In China as in the USSR They just happen to be members of the controlling state party (dictatorship).

Just a coincidence of course.

49 posted on 12/10/2012 10:25:48 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: Jacob Kell
"If you’re looking for a “true communist country”, then you are looking for a pipe dream."

Communism is an Utopian illusion the fools the individual to
submit to slavery by the state.

50 posted on 12/10/2012 10:28:36 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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