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First women qualify as submarine officers
KOMO TV (Seattle ABC affiliate) ^ | Dec 8, 2012 | Kelly Koopmans

Posted on 12/09/2012 10:05:12 AM PST by Salman

For the last century all fully-qualified submarine officers have been men. But that all changed when two women were honored with their Navy dolphin pins.

The ceremony on Wednesday at Naval Base Kitsap was a graduation day of sorts with crowds, caps, and uniforms.

From a cluster of colleagues, two female crew members of the USS Maine ballistic missile submarine were called front and center for a designation that made them qualified submariners. The two junior lieutenants were among the first three women in the submarine force's 112-year history to get their dolphins.

"This is the mark where your command puts their confidence in you," said Lieutenant junior grade Jennifer Noonan.

Fellow submariner Lieutenant junior grade Amber Cowan also got her pin and said she was thrilled.

"I'm a little bit in shock I think," she said.

Cowan, a University of Washington graduate, and Noonan, a Boston native, each reported to the USS Maine nearly one year ago after completing 15 months of nuclear power school and rigorous training.

Now, they're officially part of the team.

"They really become like a family more than just the people you work with every day," said Noonan.

The next group of female submariners will begin arriving at boats in January. That's when they'll begin their training toward earning their own dolphin pins.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: submarine; women
There's going to be trouble over this.
1 posted on 12/09/2012 10:05:18 AM PST by Salman
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To: Salman

I hope you’re right, sadly.


2 posted on 12/09/2012 10:08:03 AM PST by brivette
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To: Salman

How long until theyre pregnant...? They want to use BOOMERS as social experiment labs...?

SOMETHING WILL SPILL.


3 posted on 12/09/2012 10:11:33 AM PST by gaijin
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To: Salman

Trouble: As well there should be. Once again, the best and most qualified were not chosen - this is dangerous to national security, but oh so good for the career and resume for the girls. So happy for that /s/


4 posted on 12/09/2012 10:12:05 AM PST by Sioux-san
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To: brivette

I’m an ex navy nuke submariner.


5 posted on 12/09/2012 10:13:29 AM PST by brivette
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To: Salman

Ever hear what happens when a MAN tries to use services for domestic violence..?

He is thrown out on his ear with very little reservation.


6 posted on 12/09/2012 10:14:02 AM PST by gaijin
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To: Salman

Operation Petticoat.


7 posted on 12/09/2012 10:14:22 AM PST by Argus
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To: Salman
USS Love Boat...
8 posted on 12/09/2012 10:20:44 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Salman

Gives an all new meaning to the order to “DIVE, DIVE, DIVE”.


9 posted on 12/09/2012 10:24:43 AM PST by shove_it (the 0bama regime are the people Huxley, Orwell and Rand warned us about)
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To: brivette

My son’s a buble-head glow-worm. From what he tells me, they’ll have better luck accomodating them on a boomer than an attack sub.


10 posted on 12/09/2012 10:25:48 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Salman

For some reason this little news story brings to mind the movie, “Down Periscope”.

As for trouble, I doubt it. After all they are Officers and Ladies working along side Officers and Gentlemen. It’s not like they are enlisted people. Right? Right? Sure it’s right.
snicker snicker snort.


11 posted on 12/09/2012 10:31:28 AM PST by Tupelo (Hunkered down & loading up)
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To: tacticalogic

this is true, having served on board a fast attack.


12 posted on 12/09/2012 10:32:34 AM PST by brivette
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To: Salman

The military was the last place where “progressives” had little to no influence, and it was the only thing our government did well. Not anymore.


13 posted on 12/09/2012 10:43:20 AM PST by youngidiot (God help us.)
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To: Salman
>> The two junior lieutenants

BZZZTTT! The media gets it wrong again. Junior lieutenants are newly promoted LTs -- O-3. These two are lieutenants, junior grade (O-2). The media goes out of its way to screw-up any article involving the military, as if such continuing mistakes were a badge of honor.

14 posted on 12/09/2012 10:50:27 AM PST by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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To: Tupelo

Exactly. We have had some rather notable removals from command recently. Including one for a CO swimming nude with other officers, in front of an entire group of sailors and family members in his command— at his own party.


15 posted on 12/09/2012 11:06:03 AM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: John S Mosby

Good that guy sounds like he should be removed


16 posted on 12/09/2012 11:07:45 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Chode
USS Love Boat...

Sorry. Already taken.

That would be USS Eisenhower CVN 69.

17 posted on 12/09/2012 11:11:20 AM PST by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: shove_it

Yeah. And new meaning to ‘’All ahead full!’’.


18 posted on 12/09/2012 11:14:41 AM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Salman

Dive! Dive! A-oooooooooooo-gah!


19 posted on 12/09/2012 11:15:36 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: seowulf
yeah i forgot... but they get to start the almost mile low club
20 posted on 12/09/2012 11:16:56 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Salman

Pull this thing over right now! I need to pee ...

21 posted on 12/09/2012 11:22:14 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Salman

22 posted on 12/09/2012 11:25:09 AM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: Liberty Valance

I’ll bite. Is that pic for real?


23 posted on 12/09/2012 11:39:17 AM PST by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: Salman

I personally do NOT like it or ‘approve’ BUT if they went through the same tests, mental AND physical, passed all their Quals etc fine.

My gut tells me some corners were cut here.

Now for all those that are predicting ‘instant doom’, they have been aboard for 15 months and it would be hard to believe they ‘kept it in tact’ till they got their dolphins.

If they ‘earned’ them going through the same routine as their male counterparts, they are to be congratulated.

I personally ‘blew my head up’ in the 105’ free ascent tank and was thereby disqualified from Submarine Service so I may be a tad ‘envious’ here - even though I understand they haven’t done the ‘blow and go’ for many a moon now.


24 posted on 12/09/2012 11:44:42 AM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: CrazyIvan
As far as I know it's real. Here's some copy to go with the pic:

Soviet designed and built "Typhoon" Type nuclear submarine as it wafts along a beach in Severodvinsk in the White Sea. Really amazing to see this monster (worlds largest submarine until 2010), so close to a public beach.

25 posted on 12/09/2012 11:48:55 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Argus

Well, if Dick Sargent could serve, what's the problem?

26 posted on 12/09/2012 12:04:57 PM PST by mikrofon (Chief Petticoat Officer)
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To: Chode

What you are saying is we will have more than submarines swimming around down there? LOL


27 posted on 12/09/2012 12:16:35 PM PST by biff (WAS)
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To: xrmusn
it's not a case if they can pass a test but more of a case of morale... wives at home will not be pleased and that will translate to the husbands in the crew where a happy home life is VERY important to a happy crew

and if they are having sexual relations with crew members, those not getting it will not be happy either...

it's a case of do they bring something needed and positive to the efficiency and well being and of the running the boat or is it just another social experiment

28 posted on 12/09/2012 12:22:22 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: seowulf

In the 90s it was the l.y. spear.


29 posted on 12/09/2012 12:27:48 PM PST by merry10
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To: biff
something like that...
30 posted on 12/09/2012 12:29:26 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Salman

for later


31 posted on 12/09/2012 12:30:59 PM PST by Doctor 2Brains
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To: Salman

This is about as stupid as those bubble headed women that actually go out on a football field and interview the coach. Stupidity reigns!


32 posted on 12/09/2012 12:32:12 PM PST by pepperdog ( I still get a thrill up my leg when spell check doesn't recognize the name/word Obama!)
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To: merry10

“In the 90s it was the l.y. spear.”

I am retired Navy and spent many years recruiting. A female I put in was assigned to that ship and told me how it was. According to her, the CO and XO were totally upfront about what they wanted from their attractive female sailors.

Another was the USS Lexington. The wrinkle there, even in the 90s, was it was all lesbians. Straight women were pressured to join in. For someone to complain they had to go through the master chief of the command. From what I was told, the MC was the lesbian ring leader.


33 posted on 12/09/2012 1:08:31 PM PST by suthener
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To: Salman

They’ve been going down, working their way to the top.....


34 posted on 12/09/2012 1:21:53 PM PST by traditional1 (Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: Chode

it’s not a case if they can pass a test but more of a case of morale.
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Don’t get me wrong.
I understand all that and I am against women in combat, mixed crews on ships etc. BUT if it is going to happen - like civilian police and fire departments - don’t jeopardize the lives of others just to prove a point.

These ‘social engineers’ don’t have a clue as to real life.
They think they can put a bunch of young virile lads and lasses on a ship - I don’t care how big or small - and everything will be hunky dory.
Then they DEMAND people get punished when they act like you already suspect they are going to act.

Poor but like example....Judge Judy tries cracking jokes and make cute remarks during her cases BUT when the audience laughs she gets upset.


35 posted on 12/09/2012 1:37:19 PM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: Salman
They look like very decent young women so we have to hope for the best.


36 posted on 12/09/2012 2:20:19 PM PST by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: traditional1

What color would subs be repainted?


37 posted on 12/09/2012 2:58:27 PM PST by Leo Carpathian (FReeeeepissed)
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To: Menehune56
They look like very decent young women so we have to hope for the best.

Which means we hope that we can absorb this blow and minimize the damage that it will cause.

This will hurt us, as all of these advances by the left against the military, do.

We gain zero.

38 posted on 12/09/2012 3:14:30 PM PST by ansel12 (A.Coulter2005(truncated)Romney will never recover from his Court's create of a right to gay marriage)
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To: Liberty Valance

The biggest I have been around are the LA class and they seemed huge. What a monster!


39 posted on 12/09/2012 3:31:06 PM PST by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: Leo Carpathian

Pink comes to mind first, of course it could end painted like the Rain-Bow flag given the end of D.A.D.T.

pink coes to ming


40 posted on 12/09/2012 3:40:15 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: xrmusn
my problem is... is you are NOT a VALUE ADDED ingredient, you are are a DETRIMENT.
41 posted on 12/09/2012 5:41:08 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

my problem is... is you are NOT a VALUE ADDED ingredient, you are are a DETRIMENT.
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Did you ‘intend’ to put the word IF between ... is () you?

I agree with your position 100%.
My concern for this fiasco is if they are not fully qualified we don’t stand the chance of a ‘slight accident’, we stand the chance of losing an entire crew + submarine, SO if they are going to do it DO IT RIGHT - when the SHTF there is no ready place to hide or figure someone else is going to bail your arse out.


42 posted on 12/09/2012 6:11:49 PM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: xrmusn
yes my bad, it should of been IF, and the loss of a boat for a social experiment is several orders of magnitude worse than for any other reason...
43 posted on 12/09/2012 6:20:33 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Salman

What ever happened to the old tradition of dropping a newly qualified sailor’s dolphins into a tall zombie and making them drink it all and catch the dolphins in their teeth?


44 posted on 12/09/2012 6:28:46 PM PST by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: Salman

Affirmative action social engineering is never a good thing.


45 posted on 12/09/2012 7:08:50 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: Menehune56

That’s just such crap.


46 posted on 12/09/2012 7:18:39 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: antisocial

What ever happened to the old tradition of dropping a newly qualified sailor’s dolphins into a tall zombie
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That, like ALL the good traditions is a thing of the past.
I doubt they can even drink torpedo juice anymore.
Chiefs initiations are gone, replaced with a form of Community Service.
Doubt many fat, greasy bellies get kissed while crossing the Equator.

Couple years ago some USMC Devil Dogs got ‘drummed out’ for ‘pinning one another’.

I ‘drank’ (my) dolphins before I went to Submarine School, while still in Yokosuka while on a ‘Gator’, prior leaving for New London.

Naturally they weren’t mine since I hadn’t qualified yet, but a bunch of ‘bubbleheads’ concocted the cocktail, so I went along with them....


47 posted on 12/09/2012 8:52:43 PM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: antisocial
What ever happened to the old tradition of dropping a newly qualified sailor’s dolphins into a tall zombie and making them drink it all and catch the dolphins in their teeth?

These are officers -much different submarine experience in all regards compared to enlisted. Their quals, their performance requirements, experiences, and the demands upon them are somewhat sheltered and segregated from the typical peer pressure. They eat in the wardroom and sleep in private quarters etcetera...

I suspect this is being heralded as proof that females can cut the mustard; however, it remains to be seen just how female enlisted will be integrated.

Being a qualified submariner having served on two SSBNs during the cold war with more than two years underwater it is my opinion that this experiment will prove an epic failure regardless none of the politically correct and connected officers will admit it so...

A submarine is no place for leftist asexual and homosexual social experimentation. Simply put, the leftists are attempting to castrate our military...

48 posted on 12/09/2012 10:46:40 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: DBeers

We had one or two officers that performed the drinking of dolphins during my time on my old diesel boat, the nucs probably wouldn’t allow that.


49 posted on 12/10/2012 4:24:49 AM PST by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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