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War on drugs a trillion-dollar failure by Richard Branson
CNN ^ | 12/06/2012 | Richard Branson

Posted on 12/06/2012 2:25:44 PM PST by Responsibility2nd

Editor's note: Richard Branson is the founder of Virgin Group, with global branded revenues of $21 billion, and a member of the Global Drug Commission. Sir Richard was knighted in 1999 for his services to entrepreneurship. Watch today for Branson's interview with CNN/US' Erin Burnett Out Front at 7pm ET and tomorrow (12/7) with CNN International's Connect the World program at 4pm ET

(CNN) -- In 1925, H. L. Mencken wrote an impassioned plea: "Prohibition has not only failed in its promises but actually created additional serious and disturbing social problems throughout society. There is not less drunkenness in the Republic but more. There is not less crime, but more. ... The cost of government is not smaller, but vastly greater. Respect for law has not increased, but diminished."

This week marks the 79th anniversary of the repeal of Prohibition in December 1933, but Mencken's plea could easily apply to today's global policy on drugs.

We could learn a thing or two by looking at what Prohibition brought to the United States: an increase in consumption of hard liquor, organized crime taking over legal production and distribution and widespread anger with the federal government.

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As part of this work, a new documentary, "Breaking the Taboo," narrated by Oscar award-winning actor Morgan Freeman and produced by my son Sam Branson's indie Sundog Pictures, followed the commission's attempts to break the political taboo over the war on drugs. The film exposes the biggest failure of global policy in the past 40 years and features revealing contributions from global leaders, including former Presidents Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter.

It is time we broke the taboo and opened up the debate about the war on drugs. We need alternatives that focus on education, health, taxation and regulation.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: drugs; drugwar; legaldrugs; libertarianagenda; libertyagenda; prodope; profreedom; warondrugs; wod; wodlist; wosd
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I submit this for discussion knowing that many FReepers are in favor of legal drug usage in America. But yet, who are the proponents arguing for pro-dope laws?

Old hippies and liberals (libertarians).

As I often point out - there is no serious conservative anywhere who endorses legal drugs. This is a leftist issue.

1 posted on 12/06/2012 2:25:47 PM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd

Interestingly enough, it was the Left (then styling themselves as Progressives) that pushed to make many of these substances illegal in the first place, not to mention they were behind the 18th Amendment.

Myself, I’m on the fence regarding legalization of drugs. I regard it as a personal choice, and as such anyone who chooses to use them should be prepared to bear the consequences themselves. That said, given that most of present-day America abhors personal responsibility, legalization is not a good idea at this time.

But I’ll also submit that the main benefit of Prohibition was to bootleggers. Without it, chances are we might not have gotten the Kennedys, as this was where much of Joe Kennedy’s fortune was made.


2 posted on 12/06/2012 2:31:54 PM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Democrats are evil. Republicans are stupid.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Agreed


3 posted on 12/06/2012 2:33:29 PM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Focusing on the identities of an idea's supporters instead of the merits of the idea is an example of the logical fallacy called ad hominem. I don't care if it was initially mostly smelly hippies who advocated for winding down the war on drugs.

I used to be a supporter of the War, but this conservative has come around on the issue, and I suspect there are others as well. Drugs are bad, but the monster we created to fight them has become worse than the original problem.

4 posted on 12/06/2012 2:35:05 PM PST by krb (Obama is a miserable failure.)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

Papa Joe is a good example of the benefits of Prohibition. After the 21st Amendment was passed, Kennedy went legitimate.

If and when drugs are legalized, the drug cartels will also become legitimate taxpaying corporations.

Is this really what we want and need for America?


5 posted on 12/06/2012 2:37:53 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Nobody who argues for legalization should ever be taken seriously


6 posted on 12/06/2012 2:40:00 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Responsibility2nd

If you want prohibition, Amend the Constitution, so that your war on drugs is constitutional, unless, as I suspect, you’re too f’ing lazy, as are most progressives, these days.


7 posted on 12/06/2012 2:40:17 PM PST by Daveinyork (."Trusting government with power and money is like trusting teenaged boys with whiskey and car keys,)
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To: krb

So you want to abolish police, courts and jails?

All of them?


8 posted on 12/06/2012 2:41:09 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Responsibility2nd
The drug war is now about control. We get searched because they're looking for drugs. God forbid that you buy a used car where a prior owner had left some tiny bit of an illegal substance somewhere down in the seats with the Cheerios and cookie crumbs. The dog will alert, and you'll go to prison.

Our admitted Choom Gang pres__ent is all in favor of retaining the prohibition. Because of the civil liberties that they get to violate in their never-ending quest to find someone who has ever touched any illegal substances.

Full disclosure: I do not now, nor have I ever, used any illegal substance, unless you count under-age beer drinking.

9 posted on 12/06/2012 2:41:56 PM PST by tpmintx (Proven11/6/12! People who work for a living ARE outnumbered by those who VOTE for a living.)
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To: krb

I used to be a supporter of the War, but this conservative has come around on the issue, and I suspect there are others as well.

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I respect that. I don’t like it or agree with it, but I understand it. The problem is... you are in the minority here. Drug legalization is a socially liberal policy. And no political conservative inside or outside the Beltway supports legal dope.


10 posted on 12/06/2012 2:41:56 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: krb

Okay so what’s the answer? Legalize all drugs? Legal use where and when, what if the poor user can’t afford his/her drugs? Do we supply the users with free state approved/safe drugs at low or no cost so as to keep the crime rate down? After all we can’t have users become criminals because they can’t afford their drug of choice! How do you propose to keep from creating a new entitled class that we have to supply? I don’t have the answers but it sounds like you think you do, as they say, please enlighten me.


11 posted on 12/06/2012 2:42:27 PM PST by Mastador1
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To: GeronL

LOL. So you like all the attendant police state tyranny, shot dogs, no knock raids, militarization of local police, etc?


12 posted on 12/06/2012 2:43:03 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“As I often point out - there is no serious conservative anywhere who endorses legal drugs. This is a leftist issue.

Too clever by half. I don’t endorse GM autos, I do think it should be legal to sell and own them. Trying to frame the discussion so that supporting the legalization of drugs is somehow ENDORSING the use of drugs is just wrong. I also don’t endorse drinking, however I do think it should be legal. Maybe to subtle a point, however I think a very valid point. I guess too libertarian for a “true conservative” who thinks just like a “liberal”. We know best how someone else should live their life and we are ready to send them to jail if they don’t want to live it the way a “true conservative” deems permissible.


13 posted on 12/06/2012 2:43:03 PM PST by Gadsden1st
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To: GeronL

Nobody who argues for prohibition should be taken seriously. History and experience are not on your side.


14 posted on 12/06/2012 2:43:09 PM PST by Daveinyork (."Trusting government with power and money is like trusting teenaged boys with whiskey and car keys,)
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To: Responsibility2nd

People keep forgetting:

GayMuzzie is secret PARTNERS with the Sinaloa Cartel.

Why would he via legalization facilitate the entry into HIS market of enemy COMPETITORS..?

There might once have been SOME kind of drug war, but now that it is simply a way of keeping out competitors —Sinaloa (POTUS) drug loads get into the country UNIMPEDED.

They will not settle for even 4 or 5 cartels, so why would they legalize a vibrant market with LOW PRICES?

Does not compute.

AntiMarketIsts like MONOPOLIES so that prices remain high and they can meet periodically to collect their cut —THAT is the type of business that socialists UNDERSTAND, just like single-payer, or lotteries, etc.


15 posted on 12/06/2012 2:43:48 PM PST by gaijin
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To: GeronL
 Nobody who argues for legalization should ever be taken seriously

 

You mean like these two?

 

16 posted on 12/06/2012 2:44:09 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
The War On Poverty is also a Failure. Trillions Lost.

Perhaps the Lefties should think about that.

17 posted on 12/06/2012 2:44:39 PM PST by LdSentinal
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To: GlockThe Vote

I am opposed to government and society saying that crack cocaine is a good thing. and taxpayers will be funding it almost as soon as its legalized, you can bet on it.

I am deathly opposed to legalization of drugs. I have lived with druggies, and people are better off dead.

Just like homonut-cases, they don’t JUST want it legal, they want it accepted and praised and taught to kids.

It’s always about the kids


18 posted on 12/06/2012 2:46:55 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Children found among syringes, pills and other drugs
19 posted on 12/06/2012 2:47:33 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Responsibility2nd
Old hippies and liberals (libertarians).

I'm an old geezer conservative, don't use drugs or pot and won't, but I've always been for the legalization of at least pot.

Maybe the old hippies and liberals will be so stoned they won't get out to vote if pot was legal?

As a conservative, I'm sick and tired of my hard earned money going down a rat hole to investigate, prosecute and jail potheads.

When I was in the USAF in the early '70s there were a large number of potheads, you could get high just walking through the stenching haze in the dorm hallways.

I NEVER saw ANY of those people causing a problem, in fact it mellowed out some who were problem people on alcohol.

A few rare people are supposed to flip out and become paranoid from what I've read. I've never known of one personally yet, so wonder if this is propaganda? The supposed "reefer madness". One argument against it is that pot is supposedly a "gateway drug". Once it's legal, it won't be so much as you'll be buying it at the state booze store rather from someone who may want to sell you something else.

You'll never meet that person.

This should very much be a republican issue. It's about smaller government and freedom.

20 posted on 12/06/2012 2:47:36 PM PST by Mogger (Independence, better fuel economy and performance with American made synthetic oil.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

They do not just want to legalize pot.

That is just for starters.


21 posted on 12/06/2012 2:49:25 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: krb; Responsibility2nd
Here here....

...As I often point out - there is no serious conservative anywhere who endorses legal drugs. This is a leftist issue.

Poster of this thread doth project too much...It is the primary tactic of the left to personally attack rather than engage it a factual debate.

BTW...isn't it the primary tenet of conservatives in America that the federal government strictly adhere to the constitution? Where in the constitution is the federal government granted the power to enforce drug prohibition? And, IIRC, William F Buckley, one of the godfathers of modern conservatism, himself advocated for the end of the WOD.
22 posted on 12/06/2012 2:50:18 PM PST by rottndog (Be Prepared.....for what's coming AFTER America.)
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To: LdSentinal

We declared a War on Poverty, and poverty is more prevalent than ever. We declared a War on Drugs and drug use is just as bad and maybe worse than before.

We also have a lot of dumb people in this country. Maybe the federal government should declare a War on Education?


23 posted on 12/06/2012 2:51:16 PM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Democrats are evil. Republicans are stupid.)
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To: Mogger

This should very much be a republican issue. It’s about smaller government and freedom.

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You may some day get your wish. I hope not, but as the Republicans move further left, they may indeed some day put leftist issues like support for drugs, abortion and gay marriages on the table.

If you think the GOP is irrelevant now, just wait till this happens!


24 posted on 12/06/2012 2:53:19 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

For the record, I am presently conducting a taste test. I have pretty well determined that Jack Daniels Black label has a superior flavor to Wild Turkey

The Wild Turkey is very smooth but has a stronger alcohol flavor than the Black Jack.

Going on Memory, I think the previously tested George Dickel is superior to the wild Turkey as well although not as smooth


25 posted on 12/06/2012 2:53:39 PM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: Mogger

Once they get it legal they will start pushing for people to be allowed to smoke pot in public places and in college dorms where it will still be against the law.

Then they will want cocaine and other things made legal because the “War on Drugs” doesn’t go away with pot legalization. Does it?

Then Medicare will be paying for it and EBT cards will be buying it. Do you think tax dollars should do that?

Oh and of course libertarians really do want to abolish the age of consent.


26 posted on 12/06/2012 2:53:59 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Responsibility2nd; GeronL
These legal drugs are a much bigger problem and way more addictive.


27 posted on 12/06/2012 2:54:41 PM PST by avacado
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To: rottndog

Nobody REALLY cares about the Constitution. We want the Government to do what we want the Government to do. Period. There is no principle. And that, my friend, is how the country became the mess it is today.


28 posted on 12/06/2012 2:54:52 PM PST by Wolfie
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To: Responsibility2nd

Legal drugs would mean tremendous reduction in deaths, prisoner populations, less urban blight, more tax revenue, and less welfare. But as you say, these only concern leftists so never mind.


29 posted on 12/06/2012 2:55:09 PM PST by AmusedBystander (The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Libertopia dude, anything goes man!


30 posted on 12/06/2012 2:55:48 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: AmusedBystander

I seriously doubt potheads go to jail often. Pot DEALERS are the people you are getting all weapy-eyed for


31 posted on 12/06/2012 2:57:43 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: rottndog

Ahhhh..... Buckley.

I wondered when someone would drag his name into the mix. One of the “godfathers of modern conservatism”?

FRiend. You could not be more wrong. Buckley was a Libertarian. I daresay if he were alive, he would support either Gary Johnson, Ron Paul or even Barack Obama over any RINO or conservative.

Thanks for bringing up Bill Buckley. He would make a good poster child for the pro-dope liberals.


32 posted on 12/06/2012 2:58:16 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

The 800 lb gorilla in the room is that some recreational drugs already are legal. People pretend that legalizing pot would open some door that up till now has remained shut.


33 posted on 12/06/2012 2:58:54 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: Responsibility2nd

There’s been inadequate discipline in investigations at local levels for a long time. Not enough patience to bust the secondary and primary dealers. Not even enough discipline for long term stakeouts. Also, the usual, local, yocal “untouchables” (money fronters, all—pillars of the community). Meanwhile, local governments receive big federal funding for more trivial pursuits.


34 posted on 12/06/2012 2:59:25 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Should the government have the right to tell you what you may or may not consume?

I believe that is a conservative question, not a Libertarian or Leftist one.


35 posted on 12/06/2012 2:59:25 PM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: krb

I used to be a knee-jerk reactionary myself, legalize pot, heck no! As I’ve gotten older and in my 40’s, I think pot legalization is not a bad idea. Let people grow hemp, hemp has a lot more uses besides smoking it. If you’re dumb enough to smoke it, it’s your business unless your operating a vehicle, beating your wife/kids or end up on the dole because you can’t hold a job. I think if we tax it, we could pay off the deficit. IIRC, it wasn’t conservatives or classical liberals like the Founding Fathers behind a lot of prohibitions, that fell mainly on the progressives’ shoulders. Hard drugs, well, I’d still keep them illegal, pending further study, but I don’t think we need to bust wrong doors down and shooting pets is the way either. BTW, I’d never smoke it if it was legal, I don’t want to and know the consequences.


36 posted on 12/06/2012 3:01:17 PM PST by Nowhere Man (It is about time we re-enact Normandy, at the shores of the Potomac.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“And no political conservative inside or outside the Beltway supports legal dope.”

Except for the tons of legal dope sold by their pharmaceutical company donors.


37 posted on 12/06/2012 3:02:26 PM PST by Magic Fingers (Political correctness mutates in order to remain virulent.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
We can't eliminate the drug trade inside maximum security prisons.

And yet some still think we can eliminate it in a free republic.

38 posted on 12/06/2012 3:02:26 PM PST by Notary Sojac (Only liberals believe that people can be made virtuous via legislative enactment.)
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To: avacado
These legal drugs are a much bigger problem and way more addictive.

We all know there's nothing wrong with profiting from human misery as long as the "right" kind of people are doing the profiting.

39 posted on 12/06/2012 3:02:52 PM PST by Wolfie
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To: avacado

Legalizing pot does not end the war on drugs. It does end any of the things the libertines claim to want an end of. In fact I bet they also want to legalize ALL drugs, they just do not want to say it- they think pot is the low-hanging fruit- they know trying to legalize them all will be a complete failure. They keep it quiet just like they do not want to talk about the age of consent and legalizing incest, they know they won’t fly right now.


40 posted on 12/06/2012 3:03:02 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: AmusedBystander

Legal drugs would mean tremendous reduction in deaths, prisoner populations, less urban blight, more tax revenue, and less welfare.

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Oh really? And when Prohibition ended we also had a “tremendous reduction in deaths, prisoner populations, less urban blight, more tax revenue, and less welfare.”

Friend, we won’t be able to handle the welfare buden alone when millions of drugged out dopes are added to the welfare roles. Not to mention the increase in crime associated with drug usage.


41 posted on 12/06/2012 3:03:38 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Ending the federal drug war will not legalize drugs.


42 posted on 12/06/2012 3:04:39 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Tom Tancredo supported Amendment 64 here.


43 posted on 12/06/2012 3:05:44 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: GeronL

Which article and section of the constitution do you feel authorizes the federal government to enact drug laws? It appears to me to be a state issue, but I’ve been wrong before.


44 posted on 12/06/2012 3:06:45 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: familyop

You raise a good point.

The reason why America isn’t winning the WOD is because we haven’t tried.

Secure our borders.

It’ll solve our illegal immigration problems. It’ll solve our illegal drug problems.

We aren’t winning the War on Poverty either. Why? Because welfare freelaoders are more than happy to keep voting in the leftist liberals.


45 posted on 12/06/2012 3:08:50 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: gorush

When you get the federal government out of education and welfare, then we’ll talk


46 posted on 12/06/2012 3:09:41 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Friend, we won’t be able to handle the welfare buden alone when millions of drugged out dopes are added to the welfare roles. Not to mention the increase in crime associated with drug usage.

These millions currently on welfare generally are already drugged out dopes. Most inner city murders are committed to protect drug dealers territories and most burglary and robbery is to get the money for the drugs. You will have a huge reduction in crime with a minimal increase in consumption. Druggies are already using drugs. Availibilty is not a concern for these folks, but price is.

47 posted on 12/06/2012 3:11:07 PM PST by AmusedBystander (The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next)
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To: GeronL

Two (many) wrongs don’t make a right.


48 posted on 12/06/2012 3:11:18 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: colorado tanker

And Tom Tancredo is a has-been. No longer credible on a state or national level.


49 posted on 12/06/2012 3:11:37 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

exactly.... we haven’t even tried. Open borders is national suicide.


50 posted on 12/06/2012 3:11:46 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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