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The rich will pay more taxes, Boehner says
KITV-TV via MSNBC ^ | 12/5/2012 | KITV-TV

Posted on 12/05/2012 9:32:33 AM PST by Qbert

Taxes on the wealthy are going up, House Speaker John Boehner conceded on Wednesday in challenging President Barack Obama to sit down with him to hammer out a deal for avoiding the fiscal cliff.

The statement to reporters reflected how negotiations on reducing the nation's chronic federal deficits and debt have evolved since Obama's re-election last month.

Republicans once opposed to any new revenue in their quest to shrink government now realize Obama's victory and public support for the president's campaign theme of higher taxes on the wealthy leave them with little negotiating leverage.

Less than four weeks from the automatic tax increases and spending cuts of the fiscal cliff, GOP leaders face a choice: Agree to Obama's demand to hold down tax rates on most Americans while allowing higher rates on the wealthiest 2 percent, or be blamed for everyone's taxes going up in 2013.

The major unresolved question of negotiations involving the White House and congressional leaders is whether eliminating tax deductions and loopholes -- as proposed by House Republicans -- can raise enough revenue without hitting middle class Americans too hard.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: boehner; establishment; gope; rinos; stupidparty; taxhikes; traitors
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To: Timber Rattler

Conservatives are the spineless ones. We continually take this abuse from the GOP over and over...never doing anything. Staying in the party isn’t working.

101 posted on 12/05/2012 12:34:56 PM PST by vmivol00 (I won't be reconstructed.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
“Thanks for reminding me to buy a few shares in Johnson & Johnson and Unilever (K-Y Jelly and Vaseline, respectively).”

Even in this tough economic times, the entrepreneurial spirit is alive and well. To bad we can't transfer this to useless Dumbocrats.

I'll buy some shares too! ;-)

102 posted on 12/05/2012 12:35:24 PM PST by Artcore
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To: Qbert

Republican House Members.Fire Boener.NOW.

103 posted on 12/05/2012 12:38:32 PM PST by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: Axenolith
The party can’t be tarred with the failure or with obstinance. I will tar them for 'indifference' and I will tar them with failure to oppose new taxes as a lot of them vowed to do just that. What was the point of even keeping the house if they are not going to flex their muscle and just rubberstamp everything. they can pass anythign they want in the house, why not pass what they want and make the senate either vote it down or ignore it. then they become the party of solutions and work and make the other party the party of obstruction.
104 posted on 12/05/2012 12:39:17 PM PST by HenryArmitage (it was not meant that we should voyage far.)
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To: Qbert

how does this work? when will we know if anyone else is in the hunt?

105 posted on 12/05/2012 12:40:55 PM PST by HenryArmitage (it was not meant that we should voyage far.)
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To: Jack Hammer

“...I understand what you’re saying; however, I’d be a lot more well-disposed to letting the lemmings rush to the river if they didn’t insist on taking me with them...”

May I suggest that conservatives are just as much lemmings as the Sheeple who keep voting for more goodies that someone else (or some future generation) will pay for. Let us admit the truth: there is no appetite for spending cuts among voters. And why should there be? They aren’t paying for the services they receive now and some demogogic politician is saying that Daddy Warbucks will pay for them if only the mean Republicans will stop defending him.

A substantial majority of voters believe this to be true. Under these circumstances, what can Boehner do?

If conservatives refuse to raise meaningful revenues, the deficits will metastasize and the economy will collapse when Treasury is no longer able to service the debt at reasonable interest rates. We will be partially at fault, having clung to a moribund principle (LOW TAXES ARE ALWAYS GOOD!) when the conditions by which that principle can be actualized were long dead and buried.

Boehner has two choices. One, he can negotiate the best tax and spending deal that the demogogue will accept, or two, he can walk away from the table and let the government go over the cliff.

Boehner has chosen the first option as the least destructive. I can’t blame him; it’s probably the prudent thing to do.

I do not understand why so many on this board do blame Boeher, calling him everything from a traitor to a drunk while offering no reasonable alternative strategy, just a great deal of whinging about the unfairness of it all. Note to Freepers: WE LOST THE ELECTION!

I recommend that we go over the cliff. It will be painful and we will go into a recession. But the recession will end and we will be fiscally stronger when it does. At that time, conservatives can revive the argument that we need both lower taxes and fiscal balance to achieve long-term prosperity, a combination that is intirely predicated on spending restraint and entitlement reform. I think we will have a sympathetic audience.

Now we do not. It is foolish to claim otherwise and blame those on our side who live in a reality-based universe and must operate within it. Time to move on.

106 posted on 12/05/2012 1:00:22 PM PST by irish_links
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To: irish_links

No we won the House of Representatives and now we want to show our power. Boehner is a big baby. We want him removed and we want no debt ceiling increase. We want no revenue increase. If we go over the cliff— fine. at least we stood our ground. All the representatives we elected promised spending cuts and no revenue increases and that is what we want now that we WON .

107 posted on 12/05/2012 1:20:23 PM PST by willowdean
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To: willowdean
“...We want no revenue increase. If we go over the cliff— fine. at least we stood our ground....”

That's fine, so long as everyone understands that taxes will go up dramatically, the GOP will be blamed for engaging in (arguably) destructive brinksmanship in service of the “rich” and probably for the tax hikes too, and the economy will be thrust back into recession. What will not happen is the achievement of your stated goals: no higher taxes, no additional revenues.

I submit that we should go over the cliff and do it on the basis of principle. That is, stating clearly that we support low taxes and limited government. But if the Left insists on the maintenance of a bloated, unrestrained government it must pay for it, too. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

It amazes me that citizens of a free republic must learn the lesson once again that collectivism in all its guises is a recipe for disaster. But, learn it we must and the only way to do that is to give the people what they want, good and hard.

I am reminded of the famous quote from The Sun Also Rises. Asked how he went bankrupt, the spendthrift British toff, Michael Campbell replies, “Two ways, gradually and then suddenly.” The U.S. is in the gradual phase. The sudden phase will come like a thief in the night. We all will be better served if we arrest him before he strikes.

108 posted on 12/05/2012 1:57:53 PM PST by irish_links
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To: willowdean
It also is worth noting that the Nordquist notion that if you starve the beast of tax revenue, Leviathan must necessarily succumb and shrink is utterly discredited. The experience of the past decade demonstrates that no such constraint exists so long as the Treasury can borrow at low interest rates. But like the judgment day, no one knows the hour at which the Treasury's “Carte Blanche” will expire but when it comes the consequences will be dire.

Conservatives must begin to prepare for that day as our civilization and hallowed republic are in peril. Pointless exercises in demonstrating our power (really impotence) that are destined to fail are merely empty gestures paving the way to self-destruction.

Mark Levin and Rush Limbaugh can rail away at RINOs and so forth all day long as they are merely entertaining a paying audience. God bless them. But men like Boehner must actually take responsibility for their actions. Don't be too quick to condemn a responsible party for not following the advice of dilettantes.

109 posted on 12/05/2012 2:08:25 PM PST by irish_links
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To: ridesthemiles

“I know many people who have built up their businesses and have enjoyed the ability to travel, gamble, or do as they wish with the funds they have.”

And I know people in that same category who enthusiastically voted for Obama because they believed that they could shift the cost of their healthcare on to the taxpayers, thereby keeping more of their income for discretionary spending/personal luxuries.

110 posted on 12/05/2012 2:10:06 PM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: CatherineofAragon

“This was supposed to be the most important election of my lifetime...”

Well.... it was.

A lot of folks (especially around here) are still in denial about that...

111 posted on 12/05/2012 2:26:14 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: Qbert

Did anybody really believe he’d stand up to Obama?

112 posted on 12/05/2012 2:52:06 PM PST by wastedyears (I don't want to live on this planet anymore.)
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To: Qbert

Thus al Quaida leaves us alone, as we self destruct via the Beltway boys and girls.

113 posted on 12/05/2012 2:54:41 PM PST by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: sirchtruth
How could ANYONE who is a conservative support republicans and the GOP?

I'm with you. It's been stated many times in the last few days that a THIRD PARTY, expressly for Conservatives and other disgruntled voters, needs to be formed now.

I would think the time to do so has never been more right.

114 posted on 12/05/2012 3:34:58 PM PST by VideoDoctor
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To: Qbert

Nazi Bonehead doesn’t say much about cuts, does he?
Scandal his Nazi a$$ out of leadership.

115 posted on 12/05/2012 5:46:39 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

“I have never seen John without a cigarette or martini in his hand.”

Appreciate your insight, since you’ve been around him. I don’t have any personal animosity toward the guy, I’m just sick of all these careerists who spend 20-50 years in D.C. and despite the rotating parties in control, the country continues to go down the toilet.

If Boehner is not willing to stand up to BathHouse Barry, he should resign as Speaker. Since he is unwilling to do so, he should be deposed. We’ll just have to wait and see if some of the conservatives work up the courage to publicly take Boehner on.

116 posted on 12/05/2012 6:12:37 PM PST by SharpRightTurn ( White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: Qbert

I don’t see what all the fuss is about reverting to Clinton-era taxes. According to the media and the Democrats, the tax rate was fair and at the perfect level for everyone. Why, we even had a surplus which, although unconstitutional, the liberals were ecstatic about. So once again, why are the liberals so upset about going over the “cliff”. /s

117 posted on 12/05/2012 6:27:01 PM PST by Prince of Space (Be Breitbart, baby!)
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To: HenryArmitage

I was just saying that is their possible reason for a “present” vote.

118 posted on 12/05/2012 6:48:30 PM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: Qbert

FUJB - im out of here.

The GOP does not represent me any more. I’, not rich by any stretch 0 but boehner and the gop can rot in hell for all i care

119 posted on 12/05/2012 6:51:09 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Axenolith

no. no. didn’t meant to make it seem like I was attacking you. I thank you for answering my question.

120 posted on 12/05/2012 6:51:34 PM PST by HenryArmitage (it was not meant that we should voyage far.)
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