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House GOP makes a $2.2 trillion debt counteroffer to Obama on cliff
The Hill ^ | December 3, 2012 | Russell Berman

Posted on 12/03/2012 12:30:51 PM PST by Kaslin

House Republican leaders have made a counteroffer to President Obama in the fiscal cliff negotiations, proposing to cut $2.2 trillion with a combination of spending cuts, entitlement reforms and $800 billion in new tax revenue.

The leaders delivered the offer to the White House on Monday with a three-page letter signed by Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.), and four other senior Republicans, including Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), the party’s just-defeated vice presidential nominee.

House Republican leaders have made a counteroffer to President Obama in the fiscal cliff negotiations, proposing to cut $2.2 trillion with a combination of spending cuts, entitlement reforms and $800 billion in new tax revenue.

The leaders delivered the offer to the White House on Monday with a three-page letter signed by Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.), and four other senior Republicans, including Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), the party’s just-defeated vice presidential nominee.


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To: Kaslin; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; NFHale; ...
Here's a direct link, if any of you can follow exactly what House Rs offered please ping me with it.

House GOP makes a $2.2 trillion debt counteroffer to Obama on cliff, By Russell Berman - 12/03/12

41 posted on 12/03/2012 1:18:32 PM PST by sickoflibs (Dems want to win.The GOP wants to whine. Why dont they fight to win like Dems do?)
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To: warchild9
Come on now, nobody believes that. 82 million are under 19 (that is, they are minors), and 58 million are 65 and over (that is, mostly retirees). That right there is 140 million people in our population who aren't working. That leaves you at most 180 million to work and have babies, or create disabled working age adults.

If 47% of our 320 million population were NOT EMPLOYED that'd leave only about 20 million left to be employed if we simply exempt the elderly and the very young from the equation.

Try doing the numbers some time before you start believing a story told to you by Sean Hannity.

42 posted on 12/03/2012 1:23:52 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Kaslin

House Republicans are dopes for sending him this offer —


43 posted on 12/03/2012 1:26:04 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Interesting take : )


44 posted on 12/03/2012 1:29:46 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: chris37

What is North’s reasoning...I tend to agree, too, but curious as to his thoughts.


45 posted on 12/03/2012 1:31:43 PM PST by ilgipper (Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)
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To: Kaslin

THE ENTIRE “FISCAL CLIFF” CRAP IS ONLY A RUSE TO RAISE TAXES. PERIOD. COVERS BOTH PARTIES.


46 posted on 12/03/2012 1:32:43 PM PST by AmusedBystander (The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next)
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To: Kaslin

As they sent the offer, they were passing out head lamps, helmets and pick-axes.

We’re about to go spelunking!!!!


47 posted on 12/03/2012 1:35:45 PM PST by Tenacious 1 (The Click-&-Paste Media exists & works in Utopia, riding unicorns & sniffing pixy dust.)
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To: Uncle Chip

It’s a counter offer. Obamugabe has no thoughts on the matter ~ nor can he.


48 posted on 12/03/2012 1:36:39 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Kaslin
Know all about it, who here doesn't.

And, Timmy's absurd proposal proves my point...team obama does not want a deal...they want pain...pain that they can blame on the GOP's coddling of the "rich".

I can hear him now..."I need your help...I tried but the GOP in the House is worried more about protecting the riches 2% than it is about you...give me what I need to fix this...give me control of the House..."

And it will work if the GOP doesn't get smart.

49 posted on 12/03/2012 1:37:37 PM PST by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: muawiyah

No cable in my house, and so no Sean Hannity. Sorry. Besides, Fox News is good only for a laugh, at best.

I wasn’t referring to the 47%. That was a number chucked around by the corporate news system.

My 50% represented an inferred estimate. If I had said “sh!tload,” would that have made my point more clear?


50 posted on 12/03/2012 1:38:59 PM PST by warchild9 (I have GOT to update my profile!!!)
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To: Windy City Conservative

yeah, that’s me, a neophyte...good argument.


51 posted on 12/03/2012 1:39:57 PM PST by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: Kaslin

So much for the “GOP Doomsday Scenario” with threads all over FR.


52 posted on 12/03/2012 1:41:17 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: tentmaker; wtc911
RE:"Obama has been playing three moves ahead on the chess board" -
Obama is not that smart.

It's not all Obama we are engaged with. It is the liberal arm of the democrat party and the media and YES they are that smart. The throw out a diversionary issue for the empty heads on TV to talk about for a month and they are meanwhile busy working on an implementation plan that is something else altogether.

53 posted on 12/03/2012 1:42:16 PM PST by Baynative
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To: Windy City Conservative
‘Obama should take this deal because it is a complete capitulation. Tax us $800 billion first, cut $1.4 trillion never.’
Since the Republicans flopped at $800 billion in tax increases, Mr. Obama should be able to squeeze out another $500 in tax increases with no trouble.
And you are correct, the Phantom Spending Cuts of the Future will never come. The same Socialist Rope a Dope Game Plan and the Republicans will lose what little credibility and base that they have left.
TWB
54 posted on 12/03/2012 1:45:19 PM PST by TWhiteBear (Sarah Palin...The Flame of the North)
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To: Baynative

Exactly. I use obama to represent the leftists in power. Strategy-wise, they are cleaning the GOP’s clock.


55 posted on 12/03/2012 1:52:05 PM PST by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: DaiHuy
Someone yesterday had the idea that I thought was good. Let the Dems have what ever they want, just stand back and vote present. That way when it all goes south, the GOP fingerprints are nowhere on any of the bills.

When you hold the majority in the House and vote "Present," you are voting FOR the Dems plan. And you have more than your fingerprints on it. You own it. This is a dumb idea, but what else can you expect from the Stupid Party.

If the Reps should do such a stupid thing, then it will be the end of the GOP. We need a third party to stand on principle. Why elect Reps to be in charge of the House when they surrender to the Dems who are in the minority?

56 posted on 12/03/2012 1:53:14 PM PST by kabar
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To: wtc911

You definitely haven’t written anything to persuade that you’re not a post-2009 groupie. You were probably a rabid Romney supporter during the primaries.


57 posted on 12/03/2012 1:55:16 PM PST by Windy City Conservative
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To: Windy City Conservative

Gee, that might hurt if I cared one bit about your opinion.


58 posted on 12/03/2012 1:58:47 PM PST by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: warchild9
If you said you were worried about 20 million working age people not working I'd say "you got your finger on the unemployment problem" ~ the whole 47% thing was based on the thesis that there are a lot of people who'd prefer lolling around to being employed.

The presumption is that being poor is somehow desirable ~ yet, most of us have been poor at one time or the other and we all prefer rich, or if not rich, not poor!

As usual people imagine OTHERS are not motivated by the same things as they themselves are motivated by. That, BTW, is the biggest single reason for losing an election ~ failure to comprehend what people really want!

If you want to be a democratically elected leader you must find out what the people want, then follow them ~ and once you get there ~ counsel them to do even better.

59 posted on 12/03/2012 1:58:56 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: ilgipper

I can’t say exactly.

I heard him say that on Hannity’s program last week sometime during an interview between himself, Sean and Victoria Tensing if I recall correctly.

He asked North what he thought of the ongoing so-called fiscal cliff negotioans and the republicans’ progress or lack thereof in them, and North answered I think the GOP is about to cease to exist.

I cannot disagree. If they stand for nothing, accomplish nothing and merely advance the democrat agenda while at tyhe same time providing the democrats with a foil to deflect blame from themselves, then why should I as a citizen concern myself with voting for them, supporting them financially, or hoping for republican majorities anywhere at all, because they simply make no difference and have no bearing on anything whatsoever?

As far as I can see this is the last chance for the GOP and they are doomed no matter what they do, so they may as well do the right thing and hope people support them as a result of that, because doing the usual cave in for reductions in rates of growth over X number of years is meaningless, and everyone knows it including them.


60 posted on 12/03/2012 2:00:39 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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