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Morsi opponents, backers clash in widest violence yet as Islamist president defends powers
Fox News ^ | 11/23/2012

Posted on 11/23/2012 2:23:55 PM PST by SeekAndFind

CAIRO – Thousands of opponents of Egypt's Islamist president clashed with his supporters in cities across the country Friday, burning several offices of the Muslim Brotherhood, in the most violent and widespread protests since Mohammed Morsi came to power, sparked by his move to grant himself sweeping powers.

The violence, which left 100 people injured, reflected the increasingly dangerous polarization in Egypt over what course it will take nearly two years after the fall of autocrat Hosni Mubarak.

Critics of Morsi accused him of seizing dictatorial powers with his decrees a day earlier that make him immune to judicial oversight and give him authority to take any steps against "threats to the revolution". On Friday, the president spoke before a crowd of his supporters massed in front of his palace and said his edicts were necessary to stop a "minority" that was trying to block the goals of the revolution.

"There are weevils eating away at the nation of Egypt," he said, pointing to old regime loyalists he accused of using money to fuel instability and to members of the judiciary who work under the "umbrella" of the courts to "harm the country."

Clashes between his opponents and members of Morsi's Muslim Brotherhood erupted in several cities. In the Mediterranean city of Alexandria, anti-Morsi crowds attacked Brotherhood backers coming out of a mosque, raining stones and firecrackers on them. The Brothers held up prayer rugs to protect themselves and the two sides pelted each other with stones and chunks of marble, leaving at least 15 injured. The protesters then stormed a nearby Brotherhood office.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Israel; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: egypt; israel; mohammedmorsi; morsi; muslimbrotherhood; waronterror

1 posted on 11/23/2012 2:24:01 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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2 posted on 11/23/2012 2:25:13 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

MB overplay their hand in a country used to having a decent amount of freedoms (for an Arab dominated country)?


3 posted on 11/23/2012 2:26:39 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Hope and Change has become Attack and Obfuscate.)
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To: gov_bean_ counter
The Egyptians at least protest these dictatorial actions. take the fight to the Muslim brotherhood, and even torched the Muslim brotherhood offices for these actions.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2962363/posts

We on the other hand manage a comment or 2 on the Internet to counter the Obama communist's dictatorial actions as when it passed the Dream act with that executive order over the head of Congress.

Here Obama has done similar things with executive orders, etc. and the media doesn't report it so no one hears of it. And we who do hear about Obama’s communist dictator acts, all we do is post some comment on sites such as this on the Internet and then quickly move on to another topic. When will we all get together and protest on the streets, take the fight to the streets here in the U.S.A. against these communist thugs called democrats?

4 posted on 11/23/2012 2:29:59 PM PST by Democrat_media (limit government to 5000 words of laws. how to limit gov Quantify limited government ...)
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To: SeekAndFind
King Obama must be wetting his pants. One of his brotherhood might get their butts kick out of Egypt. If we only had a decent President now would be the time to support the protesters.
5 posted on 11/23/2012 2:38:35 PM PST by Logical me
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To: Logical me

RE: If we only had a decent President now would be the time to support the protesters.

And who, pray tell, in Egypt can we support?

This is the country that OVERWHELMINGLY voted for the Muslim Brotherhood and in a poll, tells Pew that 92% want some for of Sharia Law.

And of that 92%, the majority 60%, want it strictly applied.

See here:

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/egyptians-want-ditch-peace-treaty-israel-poll-shows

The poll, by the Pew Global Attitudes Project, also finds a small decline among Egyptians in favorable views of the United States – now just 19 percent – while 61 percent of respondents said the billions of dollars the U.S. gives their country in military and economic aid has a “mostly negative” impact.

The majority (61%) also want to DITCH the peace treaty in place with Israel for over 30 years.

This was May 2012. I don’t see any good options for the USA.


6 posted on 11/23/2012 2:44:34 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

This SOB has no excuse. He lived in the USA for 7 years and got an engineering degree. He knows life does not need to be like this.

And Egypt, like us, has an associate professor as a leader now. Academics are always a disaster,,all the way back to Wilson.


7 posted on 11/23/2012 2:46:53 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Obama will probably rush additional money and diplomatic support to prop up Morsi ASAP.
8 posted on 11/23/2012 2:47:25 PM PST by Truth29
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To: gov_bean_ counter

Whoops.. Hillary’s plan failed. For now.


9 posted on 11/23/2012 2:48:58 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
Update: Morsi's presidential aide, sameer morqous, resigns following president's decree that no authority can nullify his decisions

http://www.aljazeera.com/

10 posted on 11/23/2012 2:52:48 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: SeekAndFind

Is it inconceivable that Chicago-style voter fraud “elected” the Muslim Brotherhood?

Hillary and Obama are to thank for ousting the stable government of Hosni Mubarek, which had kept the fanatic Muslim Brotherhood at bay, and installing this power-grabbing fanatic Morsi. Just the way Jimmy Carter ousted the Shah of Iran, a pro-Western guy, and put out the red carpet for the radical Islam that has plagued the world ever since. The Obama administration is a fifth column, right a the top of the governmental structure.


11 posted on 11/23/2012 2:53:15 PM PST by Best and Brightest
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To: SeekAndFind

He should have waited until after the Reichstag building had been set on fire. Egyptians are strong believers in tradition.

And everyone likes a nice fire.


12 posted on 11/23/2012 3:01:20 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, I’d be...

The Arab street mob got a small taste of power by over throwing Mubarak and now smells a wanna be dictator in the making...

Doesn’t smell real good...

Wonder what our “great leader”, the imperial wizard of DC, healer of the world, transitional being, will say when Morsi starts to slaughter his fellow countryman in the name of Shari law...

“crickets” or a bump in the road...


13 posted on 11/23/2012 3:04:46 PM PST by Popman
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To: SeekAndFind

Morsi...Muslim Brotherhood...easy remedy...shoot them all.
The real freedom fighters against Sharia law are now in the breech of Egypt. WHERE IS U.S. SUPPORT NOW for the real Arab Spring?????????

POSHITUS is golfing. YAWN!


14 posted on 11/23/2012 3:06:52 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Democrat_media

Well, well-it looks like we’re witnessing the birth of an “Egyptian Tea party”; could we be? Whenever a people get sick of their leaders trying to grab more power than they have a right to; you have the makings of a “Tea Party”!


15 posted on 11/23/2012 3:09:49 PM PST by dsutah
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To: Democrat_media

Well, well-it looks like we’re witnessing the birth of an “Egyptian Tea party”; could we be? Whenever a people get sick of their leaders trying to grab more power than they have a right to; you have the makings of a “Tea Party”!


16 posted on 11/23/2012 3:10:07 PM PST by dsutah
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To: SeekAndFind

So, how’s that Hope and (Arab) Spring working out for ya?


17 posted on 11/23/2012 3:16:35 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (You are not now, and will never be my President, Mr. Obama.)
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To: Pride in the USA; Stillwaters
crowds attacked Brotherhood backers coming out of a mosque, raining stones and firecrackers on them. The Brothers held up prayer rugs to protect themselves and the two sides pelted each other with stones and chunks of marble

Welcome to the 6th century. Burn, baby, burn.

18 posted on 11/23/2012 3:44:13 PM PST by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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To: Best and Brightest
Is it inconceivable that Chicago-style voter fraud “elected” the Muslim Brotherhood?

Only partly. The same dynamics that got Obama elected here: gifts, class warfare, stupidity, topped off with some fraud. The main difference is that the stupid people and moochers (I realize there is some overlap) are 52% here and 80 or 90% there.

19 posted on 11/23/2012 3:46:46 PM PST by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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20 posted on 11/23/2012 3:50:38 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Bathhouse Barry wants YOU to bend over for another four years)
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21 posted on 11/23/2012 4:28:18 PM PST by traumer
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To: SeekAndFind

Maybe now some people will understand why Egypt would NOT allow the Muslim Brotherhood to hold ANY political office from 1925 to 2012.

They knew how dangerous the MB was....Obama has played into their hands -—perfectly for them.


22 posted on 11/23/2012 4:49:26 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Logical me
If we only had a decent President now would be the time to support the protesters.

IIRC, the Salafist are battling for control against the MB, we might want to wait and find out more about who these protesters are.

Just sayin...

23 posted on 11/23/2012 4:49:40 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: SeekAndFind

......Thousands of opponents of America’s Islamist president clashed with his supporters in cities across the country Friday, burning several offices of the Muslim Brotherhood, in the most violent and widespread protests since Barrack Obama came to power, sparked by his move to grant himself sweeping executive powers and outlaw religion except Islam.

The violence, which left 100,000 dead,reflected the increasingly dangerous polarization in America over what course it will take nearly four years after the imposter Obama, backed by MSM,unconstitutionally became President.

Critics of Obama accused him of seizing dictatorial powers with his executive orders a day earlier that make him immune to judicial oversight and give him authority to take any steps against “threats to HIS, and his non producers, revolution”.

There, fixed it!


24 posted on 11/23/2012 4:52:02 PM PST by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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25 posted on 11/23/2012 5:10:54 PM PST by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
Whoops.. Hillary’s plan failed. For now.

Did it? Or is this the game plan she laid out for Morsi on her visit two days ago?

26 posted on 11/23/2012 5:37:34 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: DesertRhino

Bump! Or is that just a bump in the road...? You Sir are more correct than we should ever have to know.


27 posted on 11/23/2012 6:06:43 PM PST by Jumper
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To: DesertRhino

“And Egypt, like us, has an associate professor as a leader now.”

An affirmative action “associate professor”.


28 posted on 11/23/2012 6:06:57 PM PST by jivin gene (Breakin' up is hard to do)
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To: gov_bean_ counter
Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood may have overplayed their hand, but I suspect that the US will stand quietly by this time if Morsi turns the tanks loose on the demonstrators in Tahir Square this time. Obama might even send Egypt more money to help Morsi. Obama has been toppling secular dictators in the Middle East and setting the stage for the Islamists to take power in order to establish the Greater Caliphate that will, once united, attack Israel and move on Europe and the rest of the West.
29 posted on 11/23/2012 7:11:46 PM PST by Truth29
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To: Democrat_media

Bread and circuses.


30 posted on 11/23/2012 7:13:45 PM PST by WriteOn (Truth)
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To: SeekAndFind; All

” - - - reflected the increasingly dangerous polarization - - - “

Obviously this polarization was caused by a second video on the Internet. Well, based on the best intelligence available, of course.


31 posted on 11/23/2012 8:54:09 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: SeekAndFind
...and said his edicts were necessary to stop a "minority" that was trying to block the goals of the revolution.

And there is the reason we don't want a "democracy" - 49.9% makes you a "minority" and the 50.1% can decide to wipe you out because you hinder their plans...

32 posted on 11/24/2012 2:20:50 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

how can the salafist be battling with the Moslem Brotherhood? the salafist are he same as the Waahbi - fundamentalist Muslims whom want to go back to the glory days of Islam.

the conflict mainly is the uneducated the masses (shitite) do not like to ruled by the educated elite (Waahbi, Salafists) Sunni. The problem in the Middle East Arabi Countries is the elite - academics are the ones whom are in control and want the world on fire. The battle in the Mideast is that Shittite want theri 12th Imam and the Sunni do not believe in the 12th Imam.

Arab countries will fight for power - who is behind the uprising in Egypt - Iran. Just like Iran is behind Syria, Hamas and Turkey. Shittite Muslims are the trouble.


33 posted on 11/24/2012 4:16:14 PM PST by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: SeekAndFind

Popcorn. Munch crunch. May both sides lose after unending struggle.


34 posted on 11/24/2012 4:17:40 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: jivin gene

Odumbo was never a professor - he was just a teacher of some classes that the University of Chicago Law School wished to have a diverse viewpoint. Keep in mind he was never offered a professorship or associate professorship.

The coursework that Odumbo taught was not truly constitutional law. it was about voters rights and how to cause for trouble in elections. Look how the Secretary of Staes in many states were elected, check their backgrounds and you will find these same people were participants in the voting rights to be blocked through courts so fraud could be committed.


35 posted on 11/24/2012 4:21:16 PM PST by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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how can the salafist be battling with the Moslem Brotherhood?

I remember reading back when this debacle was still playing out that the Salafist had a major presence in Egypt and were indeed battling the MB for power.

Heck, remember when this first started then it came out Unions and Code pink were over there stirring the pot?:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2671663/posts

I dunno, you may be right, I just want to wait a little longer and see what comes out.

36 posted on 11/24/2012 4:29:40 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: SeekAndFind

President (cough, spit) 0bama is following this closely to see if Morsi can get away with his attempted power grab.


37 posted on 11/24/2012 4:35:28 PM PST by windsorknot
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Salafists - ultraconservatives who won some seats in Egypts parliament

Muslim Brotherhood came from Saudi Arabia - moderates.

Revolution the liberals joined with Muslim Brotherhood.

The oddity is the Muslim Brotherhood and the liberals want the government to be the sole authority. Morsi wants himself to be the arbitratary of laws - Totalarianism (Secularists)

Salafists (waahbaists also came from Saudi Arabia - but they are ultraconservative - the Mosque, Muslim Clerics are at the realm of authority - spiritual authority is granted by the Muslim Clerics whom rule over the people. One word can sum this Theocracy or better known as a Muslim Caliphate

Iran ‘s involvement Secularist Caliphate (government rule which the muslim clerics secondary to governemnt.
Morsi wants this power

the problem is that the liberals are angry that their freedoms will be taken away with the realm that Morsi has complete control.

Note Morsi wants an autogolpe ( a coupe whereby the Constitution, Supreme Court and parliament are ineffective.

relation to Odumbo in the USA - Odumbo will work to utilize the AutoGolpe concept that achieved coupes in Russia, (Boris Yeltsin - september 21, 1993 dissolved Parliament, Supreme Court and called for early elections, Yeltsin was relected in 1996 new parliament Federal assembly and a State Duma) and latin America - see Peru Alberto Fujimori april5, 1992 suspended the constitution, fored the top judges and emergenmcy rule declared Special Fujimori was later convicted of wrongdoing sentenced to prison), Guatemela Jorge Serrano on May 25, 1993, el Presidente Serrano dissolved Congress, suspended the Constitution declared emeergency elections , but he was removed in one week and fled into exile)

there is a paper “Presidential Coups D”tat and regime Change in Latin America and Soviet Successor State: lessons for Democratic Theory Maxwell Cameron Working Paper #249 - February 1998.

Note this is based on democratic Theory - Oddly enough Odumbo is utilize the democratic theory to destroy the Us. Morsi and all the others are striving to do the same thing in the Mid East.

Iran is supporting this, but so also is Russia.

just a thought that I have been formulatring for years.

Autogolpe defined “as a temporary suspension of constitutional guarantees and closure of Congress by the Executive, which rules by decree and uses referda and new legislative elections to ratify a regime with broader executive powers Cameron 1994. Look up Deliberative Democracy, (1996 - Academia) Liberal Democracy see Linz 1975 - liberal political rights and electoral democracy -
see Robert Pohl’s polyarchy (1971)

Just for information for others to read and think about what is happening in the Middle East - and what may happen in the USA - Odumbo’s theory being practiced and perfected with killing opposition.


38 posted on 11/24/2012 7:13:17 PM PST by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: SeekAndFind

What? “No more Obama, Obama we are all Osama’s,” chants? Lessee female mutilation, sharia law and untold purges of muslims not muslim enough? What in tarnation could go wrong in the world of the scarab worshipers?


39 posted on 11/25/2012 6:34:16 AM PST by Karliner ( Jeremiah 29:11, Romans 8:28, Romans 8:38"...this is the end of the beginning."WC)
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To: SeekAndFind

Morsi et al are being tested. The message is “moderate”

If there is no moderation there will be a coup de ‘etat

Radicalization will not be tolerated. Moderate or die...... that is the message from the military/money coalition

The message will reverbarate across the region


40 posted on 11/25/2012 6:39:50 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: hondact200
NOt to be argumentative, but I found some conflicting info to your post:

Muslim Brotherhood came from Saudi Arabia - moderates.

The Muslim Brotherhood - also called Muslim Brethren or The Society of the Muslim Brothers (Arabic: جمعية الأخوان المسلمون Jamiat al-Ikhwan al-muslimun) - is an Islamic organization with a political approach to Islam. It was founded in Egypt in 1928 by cleric Hassan al-Banna after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. Though many claim the organization decries violence, the Brotherhood is often viewed as the root source of Islamic terrorism.

Ideology & Methodology

According to founder al-Banna, “It is the nature of Islam to dominate, not to be dominated, to impose its law on all nations and to extend its power to the entire planet.” Therefore, the Muslim Brotherhood opposes secular tendencies of Islamic nations and wants a return to the precepts of the Qur'an. The Brotherhood firmly rejects all notions of Western influences in addition to rejecting extreme Sufism as well. Brotherhood members organize events from prayer meetings to sport clubs for socializing.

The organization's motto: “Allah is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. Qur'an is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope.”

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Terrorism/muslimbrotherhood.html

Salafists (waahbaists also came from Saudi Arabia)

A Salafi (Arabic: سلفي‎) is a Muslim who emphasises the Salaf ("predecessors" or "ancestors"), the earliest Muslims, as model examples of Islamic practice.[1] The term has been in use since the Middle Ages but today refers especially to a follower of a modern Sunni Islamic movement known as Salafiyyah or Salafism.[2][3] It has been noted that the Western association of Salafi ideology with violence stems from writings done "through the prism of security studies" that were published in the late 20th century, having persisted well into contemporary literature.[4] More recent attempts have been made by academics and scholars who challenge these major assumptions. Academics and historians use the term to denote "a school of thought which surfaced in the second half of the 19th century as a reaction to the spread of European ideas," and "sought to expose the roots of modernity within Muslim civilization."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salafi

Just wanted to offer a few corrections so you could continue your formulations....which I agree with, btw.


41 posted on 11/25/2012 8:12:31 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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