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They’re trying to ‘Palinize’ Marco Rubio (And they'll do it for any Republican candidate as well)
The Daily Caller ^ | 11/21/2012 | Matt K. Lewis

Posted on 11/21/2012 10:02:43 AM PST by SeekAndFind

On Twitter yesterday, some of my conservative friends beat me up for writing about Marco Rubio’s comments to GQ about the Earth’s age.

Their point was that it was a silly question (it was.) And that it was feeding a liberal meme (it is.)

But the notion that this means we should ignore it is also silly.

In the heat of a campaign, it might be wise to parry such questions – and pivot to talking about your strengths. This is called staying on message. But I’m not on a campaign. And the election is over.

If there were ever a time to have a serious conversation about such topics, it is now. Sweeping controversial topics under the rug obviously won’t help.

Conservatives have another point — which is hypocrisy. Remember the time Democratic Rep. Hank Johnson worried that putting more Marines on Guam could cause it to capsize?

And as Slate points out that Barack Obama has ducked a similar question to the one Rubio dodged. But the “they do it too!” argument isn’t an excuse to avoid actually coming up with a coherent worldview that squares God and science.

Because conservatives have willfully allowed this to metastasize — liberals have effectively cast Republicans as the anti-science party. For this reason, incidents that seem to confirm this narrative are especially hurtful.

Mark Halperin nailed it on “Morning Joe”:

“There’s one area where Democrats are really far ahead of Republicans right now. Science and technology, no. It’s doing this thing that Democrats failed to do in 2000, to stop George W. Bush, which is really, really early on using the left-wing Freak Show to define anyone who’s thinking of running for President, as quickly as possible, in negative terms on Twitter, on cable, on the Internet. They’re all over this Rubio thing because they want to control his image in a negative way and they did it this cycle too. They went after Romney early, it really hurt him. And they’re doing it now.”

And so, this is a strategy. Like Sarah Palin in 2008, Democrats view Marco Rubio as a major threat — not just for one or two elections — but someone who could undermine their advantage among the college educated, the young, and Latinos. Like Palin in ’08, he is viewed as an existential threat.

And just like Palin — whom they feared — they wan’t to destroy his credibility; to make him a joke.

For obvious reasons, it is vital that Rubio — and, in fact, all conservatives going forward — be able to articulate a serious conservative worldview that doesn’t fit the “anti-science” stereotype. (This is part of what I mean when I talk about cosmopolitan conservatism.)

Rubio might think he’s just getting his feet wet, but it’s “game on.”


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: marcorubio; media; mediabias; palin; rubio; rubio2012

1 posted on 11/21/2012 10:02:48 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The invasive exam begins. Only normal people get it. democrats and other insane creatures are given a free pass.


2 posted on 11/21/2012 10:05:31 AM PST by I want the USA back
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To: SeekAndFind

Two words should be said to any MSM mouthpiece that spouts about this “nonsense”: PROVE IT.

There are holes in the theory of Evolution and I don’t know enough about carbon dating, but I’m assuming it’s pretty much “educated guesses”. And...if there is a God...could he not accomplish things in a shorter period of time?

Just random thoughts...


3 posted on 11/21/2012 10:06:59 AM PST by woweeitsme
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To: I want the USA back

Rape questions are next.


4 posted on 11/21/2012 10:08:57 AM PST by TigerClaws
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To: SeekAndFind
And just like Palin — whom they feared — they wan’t to destroy his credibility; to make him a joke.

Who needs them, when he's so eager to push for comprehensive immigration reform. I can see the joke just fine, but the credibility is very fuzzy.

It's the U. S. A. Mr. Rubio, not MexAmerica.

5 posted on 11/21/2012 10:10:01 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and 48 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Maybe Mitch McConnell can write somebody a tersely worded letter.


6 posted on 11/21/2012 10:10:01 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: SeekAndFind
"...liberals have effectively cast Republicans as the anti-science party."

I heard Ann Coulter refute this once, I thought quite effectively. She referenced John Lott's study which remains the most comprehensive, objective, research exploring the incidence of violent crimes in relationship to the freedom of concealed carry. If, as the left contends, they were strict adherents of empirical data and findings, they should be falling over themselves to promote firearm ownership and carry.

7 posted on 11/21/2012 10:10:30 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: SeekAndFind

It will continue endlessly. The Amerimoron public is far too stupid and uninterested to do more than take what the media spoon feeds them as gospel.

It’s clear to the average Amerimoron that Republicans are evil and stupid... every last one of them.

I never realized that Pravda was a willing accomplice. I thought that the State leaned hard on Pravda to control content. It’s clear to me, watching our media, that the media is the first to fall, and a very willing accomplice, on the slide to communism.


8 posted on 11/21/2012 10:11:20 AM PST by brownsfan (It's over.)
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To: woweeitsme

Rubio will not be Palinized becaus the GOPe probably won’t allow it, because he is one of them. Palin on the other hand wasn’t GOPe, so they let her be destroyed. Rubio will be defended by the establishment as he leads them into amnesty legislation and fully supports cry baby Boehner and McConnell.

Rubio is the GOPe latest dupe. Boehner has his boot on the neck of Republicans and Obama has his boot on the neck on Boehner. It’s going to be a long 4 years.


9 posted on 11/21/2012 10:12:48 AM PST by Windy City Conservative
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To: SeekAndFind

Marco isn’t my favorite as he is with some. But I agree that the Left is going to Palinize him and it looks like his rivals on the Right will be happy to stand by and encourage it. They don’t realize that, if they emerge as a contender they will get the same treatment.

Any conservative, any Repub, even a feckless Rino Repub who doesn’t believe in anything, is going to get the same treatment the moment he becomes a front-runner. McCain was the press’s favorite maverick until he was the nominee, and then they dismantled him. Romney was the moderate who would save us from the tea party until he was the nominee and then they took him apart.

It only works if you fall for it, and Repubs fall for it every time. As soon as they start demonizing your candidate, Repubs start wishing for another one with less baggage. Sorry, thats not how political propaganda works. They will always find an angle. There is no substitute for courage in this game. Pick the man or woman closest to your beliefs and then get ready for a firehose stream of mockery and invective and pure lies that is guaranteed to be unleashed on them and you. Since you’re going to get it either way, there is nothing to be gained by picking a moderate that you think is less vulnerable.

You’re going to get it no matter who you pick. So pick a fighter.


10 posted on 11/21/2012 10:13:48 AM PST by marron
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To: SeekAndFind

Several people watching the same event one day ago will report a wildly differing account on “what happened”. Thus, it seems sort of farfetched to discuss things like the age of the universe or what “really” happened hundreds or thousands of years ago.We should laugh derisively at them and tell them they are the party who wants to even quibble on what the definition of “is” is, the party who says things are all “relative” and that “we all create our own reality”, so these questions make no sense coming from them.


11 posted on 11/21/2012 10:13:48 AM PST by Anima Mundi (Envy is just passive, lazy greed.)
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To: SeekAndFind
(And they'll do it for any Republican candidate as well)

I'm glad you added that comment. The RATs think they can get away demonizing any candidate now. Even Ronald Reagan would be “unelectable” these days. Just follow your heart people!

12 posted on 11/21/2012 10:14:48 AM PST by McGruff (No New RINOs!)
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To: SeekAndFind

How about: “I believe that the Executive Branch is Constitutionally limited in its powers, and your question is asking about personal opinion on something that’s irrelevant to the issues that would be before the President. You may as well waste time quizzing me about how much the Moon weighs.”

On abortion: “It’s all about choice. I believe the voters should have the choice of how to vote on their state’s laws on this moral issue.”


13 posted on 11/21/2012 10:16:12 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Hold My Beer and Watch This!)
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To: woweeitsme

A minister once explained this to me:

God created Adam and Eve not as babies, but as full mature humans in the prime of their lives. Given that knowledge we must faithfully believe that the earth was created, as well as the entire universe, in the same manner.


14 posted on 11/21/2012 10:17:38 AM PST by PJammers (I can't help it... It's my idiom!)
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To: woweeitsme

The game here, is to throw Marco Rubio, or any potential contender, off message, early and often. Irrelevant questions (age of the earth, which is subject to a great deal of diverse opinion), and moving the dialogue from things that OUGHT to be considered. Senator Rubio was talking past the question, directing his response to his supporters and partisans, and attempting to steer the discussion back to the subjects at hand.

It may be necessary to contact the voters directly, WITHOUT the filter passing through the media.

The framework is being set up to picture Senator Rubio as a theocrat. And therefore, indistinguishable from, say, the Pope, or maybe Billy Graham. But definitely anti-science.


15 posted on 11/21/2012 10:22:45 AM PST by alloysteel (Bronco Bama - the cowboy who whooped up and widened the stampede.)
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To: PJammers

No were trying to win elections not giving Bible sermons.
The correct answer is easy. 4 billion years give or take. Also I think the story of Adam and Eve is a fairy tale.


16 posted on 11/21/2012 10:25:13 AM PST by Blackirish
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To: DoughtyOne

Thank You , I will not vote for Marco Rubio.


17 posted on 11/21/2012 10:27:55 AM PST by Venturer
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To: alloysteel

How about, “Who gives a crap about how old the Earth is, what does it have to do with anything? Let’s talk about the future, not the past.”


18 posted on 11/21/2012 10:28:01 AM PST by dfwgator
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Have you donated yet?


19 posted on 11/21/2012 10:31:14 AM PST by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: SeekAndFind
This sort of crap proves that the lying-libs are ALWAYS on offense and NEVER give up. They worship GOVERNMENT and are ALWAYS trying to consolidate their power EVERY DAY and never,never,never,never give up. EVER.

When the GOP learns to fight like this then I may vote for them.

20 posted on 11/21/2012 10:33:04 AM PST by red-dawg
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To: SeekAndFind

Is Marco Rubio even eligible to be President?


21 posted on 11/21/2012 10:41:13 AM PST by SMM48
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To: woweeitsme
There are holes in the theory of Evolution and I don’t know enough about carbon dating, but I’m assuming it’s pretty much “educated guesses”. And...if there is a God...could he not accomplish things in a shorter period of time?

This is formulaic for the media.

Ask a republican candidate a question regarding a biblical passage such as the age of the earth.
Whichever answer he gives he alienates a large segment of the voters.

It is using wedge issues to create a half life scenario where a candidates ideological supporters are systematically eroded.

We need a new coalition among republicans. The current one is too easy to defeat.

22 posted on 11/21/2012 10:54:15 AM PST by oldbrowser (Welcome to U.S.Zimbabwe)
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To: Windy City Conservative
"It’s going to be a long 4 years."

What will change in 4 years?

23 posted on 11/21/2012 11:00:18 AM PST by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: SMM48
Is Marco Rubio even eligible to be President?

No, but the "powers" don't care anymore.

The Dem main stream press has 4 years to take him out and likely will be successful.

24 posted on 11/21/2012 11:06:02 AM PST by Red Steel
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To: SeekAndFind

25 posted on 11/21/2012 11:27:39 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: I want the USA back
Republicans have to first take on the mainstream media.

Republicans act like they are being given fair questions. NO. Democrat reporters ask these questions to hurt Republicans (be it Palin, cain, Bachmann, Rubio, Romney any R).

When a reporter asks a question a Republican HAS to point out what the reporter is doing :” Look this is a gotcha question that you a “reporter” are doing just to make me into a joke or to alienate my base or other voters” you are not being a political activists instead of doing your job” now every time you ask such a question that will allow your biased media to spin my answer to hurt me politically I will instead answer with one of my solutions to help America and Americans”

26 posted on 11/21/2012 11:35:36 AM PST by Democrat_media (limit government to 5000 words of laws. how to limit gov Quantify limited government ...)
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To: SeekAndFind
(And they'll do it for any Republican candidate as well)

And the hand-wringers on our side will complain about how each and every one has "too much baggage" and "will never be taken seriously", which settling for another milquetoast loser pushed by the central committee.

27 posted on 11/21/2012 11:43:08 AM PST by kevkrom (If a wise man has an argument with a foolish man, the fool only rages or laughs...)
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To: Blackirish

Thank you for your input. I directed this reply to another person. But since you required my attention i’ll retort.

Unfortuately, now matter what you believe, faith is going to be used against any conservative candidate and will be discussed by the major media. The question usually involves creationism. If a candidate believes in creationim the smear campaign begins.

Additionally, what you believe in is not my concern.


28 posted on 11/21/2012 11:49:59 AM PST by PJammers (I can't help it... It's my idiom!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Republicans Must Learn to Speak 'Jack Kemp' Again

Online and on the cable nets, Marco Rubio is currently taking a hellacious beating for his answer to "GQ's" question about the age of the Earth. And anyone who doesn't think we'll be revisiting Rubio's "Earth" question in about 40 months should the Florida Senator decide to run for president, should stop right now and write a book about the bliss of ignorance.

As I mentioned in an earlier piece, the media now believes they have a winning tactic for disqualifying Republicans through the use of left-field "gotcha"  questions that pit our faith and principles against immigration, gay tolerance, the lifestyle of the single woman (which sounds like a Diane Keaton movie circa 1978) , and the needs of the poor.

The problem, of course, is not our faith or our core beliefs; the problem is that too many on our side are rhetorically unprepared and regularly caught off guard when these media moments arrive. The result is a gaffe that frequently damages more than just a single campaign. As we saw during the 2012 election, the media was able to take one dumb answer from a senate candidate about rape and abortion and use it to bloody the entire GOP brand.

[...]

As far as religion and Marco Rubio's struggle with being asked the age of Earth, I've been a devout Christian for almost thirty years and have never found my faith in conflict with science or history. If anything, the more I learn about science and history only deepens my faith. This is why it's so frustrating to hear a bright guy like Rubio blow such an easy one. The problem isn't talent or smarts, it's training.

Before every baseball game, a good shortstop is the first one out on the field warming up and practicing. This is why he's a good shortstop; he never falls for his own press or forgets that hard work, drills, training, and the basics are what got him to where he is. And that's our problem. Our side forgets to drill, doesn't train, and suddenly we're losing games because we drop pop ups.  

The GOP has plenty of talent. History proves our ideas are right. Polls prove people like our ideas best.

But we're losing rhetorically.



29 posted on 11/21/2012 12:16:35 PM PST by Bratch
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To: Bratch
Republicans Must Learn to Speak 'Jack Kemp' Again

You mean say "I agree with Al Gore" over and over again?

30 posted on 11/21/2012 12:20:03 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: SeekAndFind

They did it to Quayle.


31 posted on 11/21/2012 12:25:45 PM PST by bannie ("The gov't that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.")
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To: Beelzebubba

That’s what he said.


32 posted on 11/21/2012 12:33:52 PM PST by kenavi (Lost the country? Win your state.)
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To: SeekAndFind
As far as religion and Marco Rubio's struggle with being asked the age of Earth, I've been a devout Christian for almost thirty years and have never found my faith in conflict with science or history. If anything, the more I learn about science and history only deepens my faith. This is why it's so frustrating to hear a bright guy like Rubio blow such an easy one.

But he didn't offer his own answer.

I agree with the writer's comment above, and I agree essentially with what Rubio said. I don't see anything wrong with it.

33 posted on 11/21/2012 12:39:38 PM PST by marron
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To: bannie

They did it to Goldwater, they did it to Quayle, they did it to Cheney, they did it to Ken Starr, they did it to Palin, they did it to Bush, they tried to do it to Reagan but it didn’t work.

Why?

Answer that and you’ll have your candidate.


34 posted on 11/21/2012 12:41:29 PM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: ez

They do it to whomever they recognize might win... preemptive. All lies and twists. I guess that if we could figure out how Reagan overcame it, we could inoculate the good guys.


35 posted on 11/21/2012 12:43:54 PM PST by bannie ("The gov't that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.")
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To: SeekAndFind

We need a wildcard in 2016. NO MORE REPUBLICAN POLITICIANS. We need a non-political figure to run on the Republican ticket...an Eisenhower, a Reagan, a general, an actor. We need Dennis Miller. (or someone like him)


36 posted on 11/21/2012 12:45:56 PM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: Blackirish

No, evolution is the fairy tale. Yet I’d guess you’ve not heard nor read any of the pro-creation science web-sites. See my links page if you care to see what you are missing.


37 posted on 11/21/2012 1:54:24 PM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: SeekAndFind

They only palinized Sarah to asshole democrats....no human being thinks less of Sarah Palin....she is the best....


38 posted on 11/21/2012 3:24:37 PM PST by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now and in the future)
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To: ez

the reason it didn’t work on Reagan is that he built himself up from scratch as a True Conservative. It took over 20 years of truly getting to the point where he had mentally and emotionally struggled with all the issues and finally fashioned a body of conservative armor and a functioning conservative mind far sharper and deeper the fat dunce Tip O’Neill could ever plumb.


39 posted on 11/21/2012 4:25:33 PM PST by bioqubit
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To: Beelzebubba

On abortion:
The memo needs to get out to all candidates: Making abortion illegal is COMPLETELY beyond the power of the President. Period.

On abortion and rape, say “I support the Second Amendment. Women need to have in their possession items which are sufficient to STOP a rapist BEFORE he commits the act of rape”.


40 posted on 11/22/2012 3:36:08 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: Frank_2001
On abortion:
The memo needs to get out to all candidates: Making abortion illegal is COMPLETELY beyond the power of the President. Period.

On abortion and rape, say “I support the Second Amendment. Women need to have in their possession items which are sufficient to STOP a rapist BEFORE he commits the act of rape”.

That's a great response, and should become a standard.

41 posted on 11/22/2012 3:53:44 PM PST by meadsjn
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To: Venturer
Neither will I.  There are other things I like about Rubio, but this disqualifies him for me.

That being said, I just voted for Romney, and heaven only knows how badly he would have screws us on this.  My thought was that Obama was about to anyway.


Sorry to be responding this this much later...

42 posted on 11/24/2012 9:40:28 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and 48 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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