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Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants
CNET ^ | |November 20, 2012 | Declan McCullagh

Posted on 11/20/2012 7:34:40 AM PST by Cheerio

Proposed law scheduled for a vote next week originally increased Americans' e-mail privacy. Then law enforcement complained. Now it increases government access to e-mail and other digital files.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; bighollywood; copyrightlaw; cultureofcorruption; democratscandals; donutwatch; doublestandard; fascism; hollywoodvalues; homelandsecurity; hr2471; leakyleahy; mediacomplex; nationalistsecurity; patrickleahy; policestate; reid; senate; snailmailrules; snooping; traitor; waronamericans; waronconstitution; wiretapping
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To: Cheerio
"But after law enforcement groups including the National District Attorneys' Association and the National Sheriffs' Association organizations objected to the legislation and asked him to "reconsider acting" on it, Leahy..."

Interesting. Support your local federal funding recipients. [Little irony, humor and sarcasm there.]


51 posted on 11/20/2012 11:05:05 AM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: DBrow

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52 posted on 11/20/2012 11:24:00 AM PST by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: generally

You got me on that one!


53 posted on 11/20/2012 11:43:33 AM PST by DBrow
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To: generally

oops nope I got it. Agree. As for non-electronic, the old BBS systems, computer-to-computer, might be viable with encryption. Otherwise steganography, or snail-mail encrypted messages.


54 posted on 11/20/2012 11:45:51 AM PST by DBrow
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To: Cheerio

Tonight, Mark Levin will go on and on about liberty, the Constitution, Montesquieu, etc. But when it comes to real issues like this ... silence. His affiliates cater to little old ladies who love the police state and Levin won’t rock the boat. It’s a shame.


55 posted on 11/20/2012 11:47:52 AM PST by Forgotten Amendments (I remember when a President having an "enemies list" was a scandal. Now, they have a kill list.)
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To: Cheerio

Yeah well - I’m sure they have a good reason.

Now go pay your taxes - your government is broke. :)

/sarc(?????????)


56 posted on 11/20/2012 12:55:39 PM PST by Tzimisce (What do you do when every level and every branch of the government is corrupt and aligned against yo)
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To: DBrow

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57 posted on 11/20/2012 1:16:13 PM PST by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: driftdiver
If software backdoors to your encryption programs concern you (and it should IMO), you should use one of the free alternatives that are fully open source, like GPG.

As for breaking good encryption, good luck. Unless they have made a fundamental and previously unknown breakthrough in the mathematics involved, modern encryption, properly implemented is not crackable. Computational speed doesn't matter when the brute force attack on a key requires more power than exists in the universe. A 4k key should be safe until the heat death of the universe. That's long enough IMO.

58 posted on 11/20/2012 1:22:27 PM PST by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: zeugma

” Unless they have made a fundamental and previously unknown breakthrough in the mathematics involved, modern encryption, properly implemented is not crackable. “

I’ve watched a guy from China sit down and break a AES256 encrypted message with a desktop computer.


59 posted on 11/20/2012 1:30:27 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Cheerio

If the Senate GOP had a brain they would be raising cain over Reed trying to end the constitution in the name of national security. If they would become concerned about freedom for a change, they would actually have something valuable to offer to voters for a change.


60 posted on 11/20/2012 2:01:32 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: generally

I’m starting to think this is fun.


61 posted on 11/20/2012 3:44:49 PM PST by pepperdog ( I still get a thrill up my leg when spell check doesn't recognize the name/word Obama!)
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To: ducttape45
delete FB accounts

I've posted many times that I think FB is evil. Still do. And this may be the ultimate evil.

Facebook accounts cannot be deleted. With lots of diligence, you can figure our how to deactivate your account and that can be done. BUT, that in no way means your account has been deleted. Facebook is on the record (sorry I don't have a link) that accounts cannot be deleted and that Facebook retains rights to what ever you've posted.

See why I claim FB is evil?

It's like The Eagles sang in the song Hotel California:

Relax said the nightman
We are programed to recieve
You can check out any time you like
But you can never leave

62 posted on 11/20/2012 4:06:31 PM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: upchuck

Interesting, I never knew that. I wonder if the same thing goes for Twitter. I’m deactivating that one too.


63 posted on 11/20/2012 6:17:28 PM PST by ducttape45
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To: zeugma

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64 posted on 11/20/2012 8:17:36 PM PST by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: ducttape45
I wonder if the same thing goes for Twitter.

I don't know.

I have a real hard time understanding people that post their entire life on Facebook, Twitter, Linked In, etc.

They don't seem to be able to understand that once you post something using one of these "services" that it's there forever. And ever.

I suspect that one day the chickens will come home to roost and there's gonna be a bunch of very upset people out there. Of course, by then it will be too late.

65 posted on 11/20/2012 8:44:36 PM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: generally

Dude, no need to e-shout.


66 posted on 11/21/2012 7:18:36 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Bread and Circuses; Everyone to the Coliseum!)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

Sorry. The translator converted to all caps and I posted without thinking about converting back. I hate shouting, too!


67 posted on 11/21/2012 7:22:55 AM PST by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: generally; WellyP; arichtaxpayer; Enterprise; OldNavyVet; stuartcr; molson209; Eagle of Liberty; ...
My apologies for spamming everyone on this thread, but I thought it might be a good way to get some discussion started.

I can foresee a time when a forum like FreeRepublic could be an extremely useful place to establish covert communications between like-minded folk. For instance, one might generate a PGP key for use here on FR and post the public key here, where anyone could pick it up, or you could export it to any number of public keyservers.

To that end, you'll find the following key at the end of this post...

pub  4096R/928D5DCD 2012-11-24 Zeugma (FreeRepublic) 
sub  4096R/F453329B 2012-11-24 [expires: 2014-11-24]

Granted, normal key validation is not really practical here without physical meet-ups, and you have to take into account that a Fed is normally the 2nd or 3rd person who will show up anywhere where people would like to discuss goings on privately. They are sometimes pretty easy to identify, as they are the first and loudest person who wants to blow something up. Hell, you can tell that just by reading any number of news accounts. I also realize that just bringing this topic up casts a certain amount of suspicion my way.

Because of the way FR operates, it would also be really easy to employ steganography here. Post a pic with a message embedded into it, and ping the appropriate parties, and a message can quietly go out. If something important were going on, you could have someone that posts pics regularly be posting daily sitreps without drawing attention to it at all.

I realize that a public post like this isn't really the best initial comsec, but I'm more just kinda thinking aloud at the moment, and would be interested in feedback.

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Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux)

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68 posted on 11/24/2012 12:27:40 PM PST by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: zeugma

I guarantee there are informants in any group of people especially one from FR.


69 posted on 11/24/2012 12:41:16 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Absolutely. Doesn’t mean public forums can’t be used for alternative communication channels.


70 posted on 11/24/2012 1:12:52 PM PST by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: zeugma

Thanks for the informative message and agree that you’d have to absolutely know your contacts in person...and not knowing a thing about PGP keys, I’d require a lot of training. Hope things don’t get to that point, but every day, things seem just a little bit worse.


71 posted on 11/24/2012 2:42:34 PM PST by sanjuanbob
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To: sanjuanbob

There are a lot of folks here on FR who could give you pointers on how to do PGP/GPG. I think it would be useful to many and might just start a vanity someday soon for that purpose.


72 posted on 11/24/2012 2:52:55 PM PST by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: zeugma

Until you get quantum computation, which breaks those rules.


73 posted on 11/25/2012 4:20:46 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“Until you get quantum computation, which breaks those rules.”

Only in adventure/spy novels and movies.


74 posted on 11/25/2012 8:47:20 AM PST by DBrow
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To: zeugma

I really wish I knew what to do with this code!


75 posted on 11/25/2012 11:47:59 AM PST by ducttape45
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To: DBrow

Well, quantum computers have been extraordinarily difficult and costly things to lash together, but they are being assembled now by US gummit researchers. They are fantastic at searching enormous search spaces because they can represent 2 raised to the number of bits in the CPU possibilities simultaneously. It’s like being able to get an excursion into that many alternative universes. The thermodynamics of your old fashioned von Neumann computations do not apply here.


76 posted on 11/25/2012 1:45:48 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Yes, they are up to about four bits, I follow some of the papers. I think we have a decade or two before we need to worry. Then I’ll switch to random detanglement encryption with noncoherent spin state, because by then our computers will also use QC at the core.


77 posted on 11/25/2012 6:32:37 PM PST by DBrow
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To: zeugma

Wow now we can be just like al-kaeda!!


78 posted on 11/25/2012 7:50:05 PM PST by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: zeugma

Wow now we can be just like al-kaeda!!


79 posted on 11/25/2012 7:50:25 PM PST by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: DBrow

They need some pretty stiff cryogenics to operate now. If that can be brought up to, say, the temperature of liquid nitrogen, then it will be easier to get one in every office, if not in every laptop. STILL, Uncle Sam’s machines will be on the cutting edge. The impractical does not stop them.


80 posted on 11/25/2012 8:08:08 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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