Posted on 11/19/2012 9:00:22 PM PST by haffast
OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) — A federal judge Monday rejected Hobby Lobby Stores Inc.'s request to block part of the federal health care overhaul that requires the arts and craft supply company to provide insurance coverage for the morning-after and week-after birth control pills.
In a 28-page ruling, U.S. District Judge Joe Heaton denied a request by Hobby Lobby to prevent the government from enforcing portions of the health care law mandating insurance coverage for contraceptives the company's Christian owners consider objectionable.
The Oklahoma City-based company and a sister company, Mardel Inc., sued the government in September, claiming the mandate violates the owners' religious beliefs. The owners contend the morning-after and week-after birth control pills are tantamount to abortion because they can prevent a fertilized egg from implanting in a woman's womb. They also object to providing coverage for certain kinds of intrauterine devices.
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Hobby Lobby's attorney said the companies' owners will appeal.
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Hobby Lobby is the largest business to file a lawsuit against the mandate.
Hobby Lobby calls itself a "biblically founded business" and is closed on Sundays. Founded in 1972, the company now operates more than 500 stores in 41 states and employs more than 13,000 full-time employees who are eligible for health insurance coverage. The company, which is self-insured, has said it will face a daily $1.3 million fine beginning Jan. 1 if it ignores the law.
"It is by God's grace and provision that Hobby Lobby has endured," said David Green, founder and CEO. "Therefore we seek to honor God by operating the company in a manner consistent with biblical principles."
The Green family has said it has no moral objection to the use of other contraceptives and will continue covering them for its employees.
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Well that’s a weird way to pay a tax, to have to buy a certain item. What would a tax that was supposed to be paid by buying cornflakes be like?
I think Christian Atlases will simply have to shrug. A money tax they may pay; an immoral item they will not go to the marketplace and buy.
As for our feline friend with the karma, all due respect but don’t expect Christians to adopt karma into a biblical belief system.
I guess I shouldn’t expect the courtesy of a ping when you’re talking to me but I wasn’t expecting anyone to believe that actions have consequences. I know they do and speak accordingly.
And in turn Christians respectfully but emphatically disagree that the sort of thing you describe is a fundamental driver of the universe. A doctrine of karma may be an approximation to truth, but isn’t an ultimate fundamental truth which is revealed by a triune God in the Judeo-Christian bible. This disagreement has serious consequences, for one the Eastern religions’ insistence that Jesus Christ could not break “karma” by shouldering the load of sin voluntarily.
Meow.
So what? I wasn’t telling anyone what to believe. Like you are.
Meow.
How do those blazing pants feel?
Ultimately we don’t come to you for your favor. We tell you of a Favor that was done by Jesus Christ and extended to all who are willing to receive it.
How does your blazing hypocrisy feel? LOL
Been there, heard it, don’t want it. Thanks anyway.
How does a second wave of flames in your pants feel?
(liar, liar, pants on fire)
And we’ve been there, heard about your karma, don’t want it. Thanks anyway.
I’m sure you think you’re making sense. You don’t.
Of course, I’m bucking what you regard as fundamental truth, but I refute as nonsense.
Unlike you I wasn’t pushing my beliefs on anyone.
Until you did, beginning to judge us through said beliefs.
Who cares what you think about it?
Why should Christians care about what you think about it?
Utter delusional horse crap. I was taken to task for a simple comment. Not the other way around at all.
You will find no post of mine that even hints at such a thought.
Really feel bad for the Hobby Lobby company. They are a great store. This is beyond disgraceful to have the Obama government positioning their power into a business while violating individuals religious freedoms. This unlawfulness will not continue much longer by those just turning away. This is a dictator rule, no doubt. Everywhere I go, I often overhear people saying the same. And, now we have state’s governors, state attorney generals debating whether or not to oppose the new mandates for the health care law. Maybe wise to just refuse to implement/set up your own in your state, governors. Been praying Gov. Scott would hold firm. Now, I hear some republicans in the Florida state legislature are rethinking their positions as well. When things collapse, the dems are finished forever.
It sure would be nice if Alaska became an independent state and all these christian business that mostly sell on the internet moved there. A refugee state in effect against Obamcare.
Obama is in office, so expect to see more of this stuff in the coming four years. Religious freedom is ok as long as it doesn’t interfere with the state religion - The Church of Liberalism.
You left one out. The Muslims are exempt.
Less destructive than paying the fine.
“If you ever pay the Danegeld then you’ll never be rid of the Dane!”
appeal. oklahoma taxpayers also need to see if they can get rid of the judge through legal means. hobby lobby can refuse to allow the inurance company to have the provision paid for.
america is still a great nation it just has to get back to the basics of judeo-christian values.
that was the full intent muslims are exempt as Sharia Law is to be installed.
Oddly enough the Amish are exempt too. The Amish do not believe in medical insurance the people of the district help pay the medical bills. Oddly enough also lay people deal with the simples medical aspects and only whenm it is beyond the expertise of the lay people is a referral made to a physician nurse practitioner.
What state is making that the christians whom share in Medi-Share can no longer participate because it is not insurance.
I don’t understand why Hobby Lobby and all other businesses don’t appeal the “tax” because, as Thomas Sowell pointed out, it violates Equal Protection. Obama is free to exempt whatever businesses he chooses from complying (think his supporters) and that would create an unfair business advantage. Seems very straightforward.
Darden isn’t cutting hours for managers and executives, for whom it will offer an Obamacare-compliant health plan. Hobby Lobby will have to figure out how to staffing professional jobs part time from CEO on down, or will have to hike compensation by $30k per person to finance professionals to buy family private health insurance on an after tax basis ... all of which plans will have to comply with Obamacare anyway.
One man’s karma it another’s:
‘As you sow so shall you reap’
And to think wars are fought over such nonsense as “religion”
God gave us an absolute natural right to the free exercise of religion.
The First Amendment made that natural right a legal right, one that gives Hobby Lobby’s owners an absolute legal right to refuse to comply with this evil ruling. [Note: I personally would not have a problem with covering the morning after pill for my employees, but I consider attempting to force others to violate their religious beliefs to be an abhorrent act of pure evil.]
The Second Amendment made that legal and natural right meaningful in a very practical sense. If this most recent overreach leads to a second civil war, I will not side with evil.
“begin seizing the Homes of Federal Employees, starting with all Federal Employees classified as Public Servants and use the proceeds to pay for the Requirements imposed on their citizens by Obamacare.”
I like it. Now that’s thinking outside the box by using fascism against the fascists.
Just another company to Go Galt...
Atlas just keeps on shruggin...
What exactly is the free exercise of religion and do you get to have a conscience to do it?
The problem here is that our judges assume the state from the beginning. In assuming the state they then come to a conclusion. In America it is the reverse. We accept the individual as sovereign and it is the state that must make the case - beyond a reasonable doubt.
I’m pretty confident that the average employee of their is equally dismayed at this decision! It is sad that they will be the ones paying the price for this Judge’s decision.
I don’t think it’s extreme, and since Hobby Lobby couldn’t cite any existing precedent, it probably means that there isn’t one. The closest recent ruling that might be applicable is Citizens United, but that dealt with speech not exercise of religion.
So iow the court here punted under the auspices of there not being a precedent to go from. This is going to the Supreme Court, (regardless) where Citizens United can be seen as a good indicator of where the majority will rule.
That don't mean nothin'. Words. Just words.
And to think wars are fought over such nonsense as “religion”
Not by Buddhists! ;-)
They need to start closing their excess stores after Christmas . Only keep their most productive stores and only hire women that past child bearing age that have no need of abortion pills to work in them .
I for one would NOT hire any woman of child bearing age under these guidelines because I have no intentions of paying for their abilities to abort . Liberals can’t force this on us unless we agree to it . Start handing out the pink slips and don’t feel the least bit bad about it .
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I guess my only real question is:
Is any judge, court, or Congress going to put a stop to this destructive madness, or will our country have to collapse first, and then we try again?
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I guess my only real question is:
Is any judge, court, or Congress going to put a stop to this destructive madness, or will our country have to collapse first, and then we try again?
Well, they can go the Andrew Jackson route, “the judge made his decision, let him enforce it!”
I think it will come to a point where the only "Judge" that will stop this will be chambered in .410/.45
Our black robed masters and politicrat betters think they know what's good for us better than we do.
Any illusion that the legal system of the United States is capable of producing justice should be, by now, gone. Row v. Wade and legislation based on this has pervaded the system to the point that it is impossible to separate areas of law worth obeying from areas of law where we simply try not to get caught. We are free, in my opinion, from moral culpability should we disobey any law whatsoever, simply because it is on the books. Let the principles of universal justice be instead our guide. Where the law of the land coincides with it, good, but the law itself has lost its authority in all areas of life.
You know I have shopped at Hobby Lobby. I could be wrong but in all honesty the kind of people who work there don’t seem like the type who would want or need that kind of pill.
I have been wrong before. Just saying.
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