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Judge: Hobby Lobby must offer morning-after pill
Associated Press ^ | 11/19/2012 | TIM TALLEY

Posted on 11/19/2012 9:00:22 PM PST by haffast

OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) — A federal judge Monday rejected Hobby Lobby Stores Inc.'s request to block part of the federal health care overhaul that requires the arts and craft supply company to provide insurance coverage for the morning-after and week-after birth control pills.

In a 28-page ruling, U.S. District Judge Joe Heaton denied a request by Hobby Lobby to prevent the government from enforcing portions of the health care law mandating insurance coverage for contraceptives the company's Christian owners consider objectionable.

The Oklahoma City-based company and a sister company, Mardel Inc., sued the government in September, claiming the mandate violates the owners' religious beliefs. The owners contend the morning-after and week-after birth control pills are tantamount to abortion because they can prevent a fertilized egg from implanting in a woman's womb. They also object to providing coverage for certain kinds of intrauterine devices.

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Hobby Lobby's attorney said the companies' owners will appeal.

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Hobby Lobby is the largest business to file a lawsuit against the mandate.

Hobby Lobby calls itself a "biblically founded business" and is closed on Sundays. Founded in 1972, the company now operates more than 500 stores in 41 states and employs more than 13,000 full-time employees who are eligible for health insurance coverage. The company, which is self-insured, has said it will face a daily $1.3 million fine beginning Jan. 1 if it ignores the law.

"It is by God's grace and provision that Hobby Lobby has endured," said David Green, founder and CEO. "Therefore we seek to honor God by operating the company in a manner consistent with biblical principles."

The Green family has said it has no moral objection to the use of other contraceptives and will continue covering them for its employees.

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KEYWORDS: abortion; christian; evil; hobbylobby; moralabsolutes; obamacare; qstamendment
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To: Springfield Reformer

Well that’s a weird way to pay a tax, to have to buy a certain item. What would a tax that was supposed to be paid by buying cornflakes be like?

I think Christian Atlases will simply have to shrug. A money tax they may pay; an immoral item they will not go to the marketplace and buy.

As for our feline friend with the karma, all due respect but don’t expect Christians to adopt karma into a biblical belief system.


51 posted on 11/20/2012 12:26:28 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I guess I shouldn’t expect the courtesy of a ping when you’re talking to me but I wasn’t expecting anyone to believe that actions have consequences. I know they do and speak accordingly.


52 posted on 11/20/2012 12:30:42 AM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: TigersEye

And in turn Christians respectfully but emphatically disagree that the sort of thing you describe is a fundamental driver of the universe. A doctrine of karma may be an approximation to truth, but isn’t an ultimate fundamental truth which is revealed by a triune God in the Judeo-Christian bible. This disagreement has serious consequences, for one the Eastern religions’ insistence that Jesus Christ could not break “karma” by shouldering the load of sin voluntarily.


53 posted on 11/20/2012 12:30:42 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: TigersEye

Meow.


54 posted on 11/20/2012 12:31:39 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

So what? I wasn’t telling anyone what to believe. Like you are.


55 posted on 11/20/2012 12:32:05 AM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: TigersEye
No apologies here for the sotto voce to someone who was following the entire discussion like a hawk anyhow.
56 posted on 11/20/2012 12:33:49 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
When they came for the Christians I defended the Christians because it was the right thing to do and because I knew they would come for me too some day. The Christians slapped me in the face.

Meow.

57 posted on 11/20/2012 12:34:13 AM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: TigersEye

How do those blazing pants feel?


58 posted on 11/20/2012 12:34:19 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: TigersEye

Ultimately we don’t come to you for your favor. We tell you of a Favor that was done by Jesus Christ and extended to all who are willing to receive it.


59 posted on 11/20/2012 12:35:15 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

How does your blazing hypocrisy feel? LOL


60 posted on 11/20/2012 12:35:46 AM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Been there, heard it, don’t want it. Thanks anyway.


61 posted on 11/20/2012 12:36:33 AM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: TigersEye

How does a second wave of flames in your pants feel?

(liar, liar, pants on fire)


62 posted on 11/20/2012 12:36:59 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: TigersEye

And we’ve been there, heard about your karma, don’t want it. Thanks anyway.


63 posted on 11/20/2012 12:37:39 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I’m sure you think you’re making sense. You don’t.


64 posted on 11/20/2012 12:37:39 AM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: TigersEye

Of course, I’m bucking what you regard as fundamental truth, but I refute as nonsense.


65 posted on 11/20/2012 12:38:28 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Unlike you I wasn’t pushing my beliefs on anyone.


66 posted on 11/20/2012 12:38:34 AM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: TigersEye

Until you did, beginning to judge us through said beliefs.


67 posted on 11/20/2012 12:39:00 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Who cares what you think about it?


68 posted on 11/20/2012 12:39:06 AM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: TigersEye

Why should Christians care about what you think about it?


69 posted on 11/20/2012 12:39:34 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Until you did, beginning to judge us through said beliefs.

Utter delusional horse crap. I was taken to task for a simple comment. Not the other way around at all.

70 posted on 11/20/2012 12:40:04 AM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Why should Christians care about what you think about it?

You will find no post of mine that even hints at such a thought.

71 posted on 11/20/2012 12:40:53 AM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: haffast

Really feel bad for the Hobby Lobby company. They are a great store. This is beyond disgraceful to have the Obama government positioning their power into a business while violating individuals religious freedoms. This unlawfulness will not continue much longer by those just turning away. This is a dictator rule, no doubt. Everywhere I go, I often overhear people saying the same. And, now we have state’s governors, state attorney generals debating whether or not to oppose the new mandates for the health care law. Maybe wise to just refuse to implement/set up your own in your state, governors. Been praying Gov. Scott would hold firm. Now, I hear some republicans in the Florida state legislature are rethinking their positions as well. When things collapse, the dems are finished forever.


72 posted on 11/20/2012 12:45:42 AM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt. As another FR member says..Obamas are living in gangster paradise.)
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To: haffast

It sure would be nice if Alaska became an independent state and all these christian business that mostly sell on the internet moved there. A refugee state in effect against Obamcare.


73 posted on 11/20/2012 12:55:25 AM PST by Eye of Unk (Cicil War in America is here, its already been declared.)
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To: haffast

Obama is in office, so expect to see more of this stuff in the coming four years. Religious freedom is ok as long as it doesn’t interfere with the state religion - The Church of Liberalism.


74 posted on 11/20/2012 12:59:07 AM PST by Pinkbell
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To: Pinkbell
Religious freedom is ok as long as it doesn’t interfere with the state religion - The Church of Liberalism.

You left one out. The Muslims are exempt.

75 posted on 11/20/2012 1:22:21 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: UnwashedPeasant

Less destructive than paying the fine.

“If you ever pay the Danegeld then you’ll never be rid of the Dane!”


76 posted on 11/20/2012 1:47:23 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: haffast

appeal. oklahoma taxpayers also need to see if they can get rid of the judge through legal means. hobby lobby can refuse to allow the inurance company to have the provision paid for.

america is still a great nation it just has to get back to the basics of judeo-christian values.


77 posted on 11/20/2012 2:49:53 AM PST by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: Smokin' Joe

that was the full intent muslims are exempt as Sharia Law is to be installed.

Oddly enough the Amish are exempt too. The Amish do not believe in medical insurance the people of the district help pay the medical bills. Oddly enough also lay people deal with the simples medical aspects and only whenm it is beyond the expertise of the lay people is a referral made to a physician nurse practitioner.

What state is making that the christians whom share in Medi-Share can no longer participate because it is not insurance.


78 posted on 11/20/2012 2:57:14 AM PST by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: Dogbert41
No, defy the bastards. Go the Darden route and make all employees PT with < 28 hrs per week.

Impeach the kenyan or secession.


79 posted on 11/20/2012 3:39:19 AM PST by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: haffast

I don’t understand why Hobby Lobby and all other businesses don’t appeal the “tax” because, as Thomas Sowell pointed out, it violates Equal Protection. Obama is free to exempt whatever businesses he chooses from complying (think his supporters) and that would create an unfair business advantage. Seems very straightforward.


80 posted on 11/20/2012 4:29:31 AM PST by Heartland Mom ("Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: ex91B10

Darden isn’t cutting hours for managers and executives, for whom it will offer an Obamacare-compliant health plan. Hobby Lobby will have to figure out how to staffing professional jobs part time from CEO on down, or will have to hike compensation by $30k per person to finance professionals to buy family private health insurance on an after tax basis ... all of which plans will have to comply with Obamacare anyway.


81 posted on 11/20/2012 4:40:40 AM PST by only1percent
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To: TigersEye

One man’s karma it another’s:

‘As you sow so shall you reap’

And to think wars are fought over such nonsense as “religion”


82 posted on 11/20/2012 5:01:09 AM PST by Gadsden1st
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To: DesertRhino

God gave us an absolute natural right to the free exercise of religion.

The First Amendment made that natural right a legal right, one that gives Hobby Lobby’s owners an absolute legal right to refuse to comply with this evil ruling. [Note: I personally would not have a problem with covering the morning after pill for my employees, but I consider attempting to force others to violate their religious beliefs to be an abhorrent act of pure evil.]

The Second Amendment made that legal and natural right meaningful in a very practical sense. If this most recent overreach leads to a second civil war, I will not side with evil.


83 posted on 11/20/2012 6:14:41 AM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: eyeamok

“begin seizing the Homes of Federal Employees, starting with all Federal Employees classified as Public Servants and use the proceeds to pay for the Requirements imposed on their citizens by Obamacare.”

I like it. Now that’s thinking outside the box by using fascism against the fascists.


84 posted on 11/20/2012 6:30:09 AM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: haffast

Just another company to Go Galt...

Atlas just keeps on shruggin...


85 posted on 11/20/2012 6:33:28 AM PST by Rightly Biased (Avenge me Girls AVENEGE ME!!!! ( I don't have any son's))
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To: Pox

What exactly is the free exercise of religion and do you get to have a conscience to do it?

The problem here is that our judges assume the state from the beginning. In assuming the state they then come to a conclusion. In America it is the reverse. We accept the individual as sovereign and it is the state that must make the case - beyond a reasonable doubt.


86 posted on 11/20/2012 7:13:29 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Dogbert41

I’m pretty confident that the average employee of their is equally dismayed at this decision! It is sad that they will be the ones paying the price for this Judge’s decision.


87 posted on 11/20/2012 9:20:39 AM PST by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Pox

I don’t think it’s extreme, and since Hobby Lobby couldn’t cite any existing precedent, it probably means that there isn’t one. The closest recent ruling that might be applicable is Citizens United, but that dealt with speech not exercise of religion.

So iow the court here punted under the auspices of there not being a precedent to go from. This is going to the Supreme Court, (regardless) where Citizens United can be seen as a good indicator of where the majority will rule.


88 posted on 11/20/2012 9:53:05 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: Gadsden1st
‘As you sow so shall you reap’

That don't mean nothin'. Words. Just words.

And to think wars are fought over such nonsense as “religion”

Not by Buddhists! ;-)

89 posted on 11/20/2012 12:07:44 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: haffast

They need to start closing their excess stores after Christmas . Only keep their most productive stores and only hire women that past child bearing age that have no need of abortion pills to work in them .

I for one would NOT hire any woman of child bearing age under these guidelines because I have no intentions of paying for their abilities to abort . Liberals can’t force this on us unless we agree to it . Start handing out the pink slips and don’t feel the least bit bad about it .


90 posted on 11/20/2012 1:50:33 PM PST by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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I guess my only real question is:

Is any judge, court, or Congress going to put a stop to this destructive madness, or will our country have to collapse first, and then we try again?

91 posted on 11/21/2012 10:06:57 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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I guess my only real question is:

Is any judge, court, or Congress going to put a stop to this destructive madness, or will our country have to collapse first, and then we try again?

92 posted on 11/21/2012 10:07:23 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Dogbert41

Well, they can go the Andrew Jackson route, “the judge made his decision, let him enforce it!”


93 posted on 11/21/2012 11:26:49 PM PST by Nowhere Man (I miss you Muffin! (8-21-1987 - 7-09-2004). Take care, pretty girl!)
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To: little jeremiah
Is any judge, court, or Congress going to put a stop to this destructive madness, or will our country have to collapse first, and then we try again?

I think it will come to a point where the only "Judge" that will stop this will be chambered in .410/.45

Our black robed masters and politicrat betters think they know what's good for us better than we do.

94 posted on 11/21/2012 11:30:05 PM PST by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded.)
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To: DesertRhino
Don’t pay the fine. Salt away a lot of cash that they can’t find.

Then when prepared, refuse to pay the fine, OR offer morning after pill. Force the Kenyan to send federal marshalls to physically close the stores. Put huge signs out front of each closed store, “Closed by Order of Obama”.

The Ba$tard does not want the fight. He desperately wants threats to force compliance. If that fails, then he must act and look like he dictator he is. He does not want the bad “optics”, and we can force it upon him.


"A bluff taken seriously is more useful than a serious threat interpreted as a bluff." - Henry Kissinger

No matter what, we need to toss our chips in and call the Kenyan's bet ... and raise it. See what happens.

If I was the sheriff in the community, I'd arrest the Federal Marshals if they did that.
95 posted on 11/21/2012 11:42:10 PM PST by Nowhere Man (I miss you Muffin! (8-21-1987 - 7-09-2004). Take care, pretty girl!)
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To: haffast

Any illusion that the legal system of the United States is capable of producing justice should be, by now, gone. Row v. Wade and legislation based on this has pervaded the system to the point that it is impossible to separate areas of law worth obeying from areas of law where we simply try not to get caught. We are free, in my opinion, from moral culpability should we disobey any law whatsoever, simply because it is on the books. Let the principles of universal justice be instead our guide. Where the law of the land coincides with it, good, but the law itself has lost its authority in all areas of life.


96 posted on 11/22/2012 10:52:40 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: haffast; wagglebee; little jeremiah

You know I have shopped at Hobby Lobby. I could be wrong but in all honesty the kind of people who work there don’t seem like the type who would want or need that kind of pill.

I have been wrong before. Just saying.


97 posted on 11/23/2012 3:01:53 PM PST by Morgana (Time to play cowboys and muslims.)
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