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Fargo Faints: Catholic Teen Refused Confirmation After Pro-Gay Marriage Photo Posted on Facebook
Newsbusters.org ^ | November 19, 2012 | Tim Graham

Posted on 11/19/2012 6:05:33 AM PST by servo1969

The media in Fargo, North Dakota were scandalized when a nearby Minnesota priest informed the parents of Lennon Cihak that he would not be confirmed in the local Catholic church after he posted a picture on Facebook supporting gay marriage (or a No vote on the traditional-marriage ballot initiative). Naturally, the liberal parents – who agree with their son – were shocked, shocked that the church would stand for something.

“You kind of know the Catholic beliefs, but I never thought they would deny somebody confirmation because you weren’t 100 percent. I guess that’s what shocks me,” Shana Cihak said. That’s exactly how the Fargo Forum sold it:

BARNESVILLE, Minn. – If you want to be a Catholic, you have to be 100 percent Catholic.

That’s the lesson one family here learned after their 17-year-old son was denied confirmation after the priest at the Assumption Church here found a pro same-sex marriage post on the teen’s Facebook.

Neither the priest nor the local bishop spoke to the newspaper (and reporters somehow aren't smart enough to figure out that "confirmation" is a sacrament where the believer says he or she accepts the entirety of the Catholic faith. It's not a graduation ceremony that you get to attend if you pass a test.)  So they felt free to just champion the liberal family, who agree with their son on the political question:

Lennon said fellow students in his confirmation class “liked” the photo on Facebook, but they were still allowed to be confirmed.

“I just thought it was wrong to single him out,” Shana said.

Her husband, Doug Cihak, agreed.

“(LaMoine) was talking about ‘God doesn’t believe in this.’ Well, God created Lennon,” said Doug, adding that he was baptized and raised in the same church.

But now the family is not allowed to participate in Communion there, Doug said, and he’s worried as to how far the sanctions will go, expressing concern about being able to be buried alongside his parents.

Still, Doug insists he’s not mad at LaMoine, calling him just a “messenger” of the church. The same could not be said for his wife, who said she doesn’t plan on returning to the church ever again, her son nodding in agreement.

“You should be able to go to a church for support, help,” Lennon said. “He pushed me away.”

But the ending was the biggest “facepalm” of all:

“But through it all, Lennon said his faith hasn’t faltered.

“I don’t want the church to be put down. I don’t want the Catholic religion to be put down,” he said. “It’s just the way the priest has things running. He’s so strict. He won’t loosen up about things.”

Naturally, Lennon wanted to "give peace a chance."

Liberals never seem to understand that when you join a church (or even when you are raised from birth in a church), it might take certain moral positions that do not change. They always expect churches to "loosen up about things." The local CBS affiliate WDAY also let the liberal argument dominate:

On Barnesville's Main Street, from the beauty salons to cafes, 17-year old Lennon Cihak was the talk of the town. A much respected teen-ager who is known for his work ethic and music. Ask his next door neighbors, the Raftevolds.

LoAnn Raftevold/Lennon's Neighbor: "The controversy started here at Assumption Catholic Church in Barnesville, where the priest refused confirmation after Lennon made a post on Facebook supporting a No vote on Minnesota's Gay Marriage Ammendment. The priest met with Lennon's parents, that not only supported their son, but shared his opinion. Even the Bishop at the Diocese in Crookston would not grant Lennon an appeal. Friends who liked Lennon's post on Facebook got confirmed, Lennon did not."

Lennon's family did not want to speak on camera about the story, but Grandma Cihak sure did.

Dianne Cihak goes to the same church. She's disappointed in her church. Proud of her grandson.

Dianne Cihak/grandmother: "It is a shock for the family. All baptized, married here at Assumption. Now the couple says they cannot even have communion here. Lennon's mother says she won't return. A church, she says, should be welcoming people, not pushing them away."

We contacted the diocese of Crookston for a comment on the story. The Bishop is out of town right now.

Some responsibility for this liberal tilt has to be put on the doorstep of the church and the Bishop's office. When you make a decision like this, it should be entirely expected that the secular liberal press will be highly agitated. It's a chance to preach the church's message. A "No comment" is no way to win hearts and minds.

As someone who teaches the sacrament of confirmation, if I had been in that parish, I would followed all the reporters around and made sure they balanced the story out. They clearly had no professional interest in a fair and balanced story.

(HT Daily Kos, which wrote, "Pope Ratzinger’s plan for a smaller, purer Church continues swimmingly.")


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: North Dakota
KEYWORDS: cafeteriacatholics; catholic; confirmation; culturewar; gay; marriage; moralabsolutes; moralrelativism
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It has always seemed to me that a few Catholics consider Catholicism to be some sort of club instead of a religion whose teachings they are to follow. As if they just need to get themselves elected the new Treasurer or Secretary of Whatever and then they can run things their way. And I was always under the impression that going through confirmation was basically imply that you were 'down' with all the churches teachings. Is that incorrect?

This is coming from someone who isn't Catholic, didn't grow up around Catholics and doesn't even know any Catholics now.

1 posted on 11/19/2012 6:05:42 AM PST by servo1969
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To: servo1969

equal marriage, SIGH, I wish these idiots would get a brain and use it., see my tagline.

You are not Catholic if you vote for killing babies,
homosexuality,

These idiots mainly in the north east have no idea what their faith is about.


2 posted on 11/19/2012 6:11:43 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: servo1969

maybe his parents need to get him help and understand what he wants or how he wants his sex is not healthy, nor natural and against his faith.

Think of where the colon is,

The prostate is devided by a thin film, if that is broken then all that feces get into there.

It’s not just eprverted sex it;s down right not healthy or natural


3 posted on 11/19/2012 6:13:52 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: servo1969

Facebook has consequences.


4 posted on 11/19/2012 6:16:11 AM PST by grobdriver
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To: manc

Polygamy is next. You think they care? Or draw the line? Destroy America at the basic building blocks.


5 posted on 11/19/2012 6:16:40 AM PST by TigerClaws
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To: servo1969

“We fully support the Catholic Church, except for those pesky spiritual rules,” the Cihak family.


6 posted on 11/19/2012 6:17:46 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: servo1969

While I am not a Catholic, that church has the same right and duty to protect who they consider to be a properly vetted member. It is not honest to seek to be “confirmed” and yet to act contrary to the doctrines being taught.


7 posted on 11/19/2012 6:19:23 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: servo1969

A priest with backbone.Outstanding!


8 posted on 11/19/2012 6:20:15 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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To: servo1969

Since this kid is so “honest” and “respected throughout the community,” where did he get the stolen yard sign?


9 posted on 11/19/2012 6:20:22 AM PST by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: servo1969
It has always seemed to me that a few Catholics consider Catholicism to be some sort of club instead of a religion whose teachings they are to follow.

It's more than "a few".A *lot* more.

10 posted on 11/19/2012 6:21:42 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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To: servo1969

So nice to see a Parish stand up for the beliefs of the Church. I wish more would.


11 posted on 11/19/2012 6:22:32 AM PST by Clintons Are White Trash (Lynn Stewart, Helen Thomas, Rosie ODonnell, Maureen Dowd, Medea Benjamin - The Axis of Ugly)
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To: servo1969

This is news? All I can say is (as a teen would say), “well, duh!”


12 posted on 11/19/2012 6:24:05 AM PST by grimalkin (Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. Friedman)
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To: Gay State Conservative

#10

Is it? I honestly don’t know.


13 posted on 11/19/2012 6:25:55 AM PST by servo1969
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To: servo1969

All Christians know from scripture that homosexuality is wrong. The bibles says so several times. And, abortion is pure baby killing. Taking an innocent life with a beating heart and killing it is morally wrong. Some churches have turned a blind eye on biblical teaching in those areas for whatever reasons.


14 posted on 11/19/2012 6:26:11 AM PST by Bitsy
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To: jboot
where did he get the stolen yard sign?
"Cafeteria Catholics" pick and choose what they want to believe ... including the Ten Commandments.
15 posted on 11/19/2012 6:26:45 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: servo1969

Start kicking out the politicians.


16 posted on 11/19/2012 6:28:04 AM PST by TigerClaws
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To: manc

maybe his parents need to get him help and understand what he wants or how he wants his sex is not healthy, nor natural and against his faith.

It doesn’t say he is gay. I think he is one of those straights who wants to be cool and “in”.


17 posted on 11/19/2012 6:31:38 AM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: servo1969

Oh, well—I bet they can get him confirmed by one of the women “priests” who still call themselves catholics. Welcome to the catholic buffet.


18 posted on 11/19/2012 6:33:13 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: servo1969

Hey, unless and until he repents of that wrong, they have a perfect right to tell him take a hike.


19 posted on 11/19/2012 6:36:36 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: oh8eleven
Cafeteria Catholics" pick and choose what they want to believe

Unfortunately, we have such cattle in Protestant churches, too. If people were intellectually honest, the Unitarian Universalists would be the fastest-growing denomination.

20 posted on 11/19/2012 6:36:58 AM PST by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: oh8eleven

Maybe he did buy it, but so what. He’s still sassing the church that he wants to get confirmed by. I don’t think that’s going to fly!


21 posted on 11/19/2012 6:38:24 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: jboot

Except that a bare unitary God would be like soooooo dull... “hey man I want my idols!” The UUs had (at least past tense) some ideals.


22 posted on 11/19/2012 6:39:56 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: servo1969

The priest did not push this young man away; this young man pushed the church away.


23 posted on 11/19/2012 6:41:37 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Bitsy

Not to mention broadcasting it to the world. Seriously, I see people put things on Facebook for the world to see, when I considered some pictures of myself and my girlfriend, then fianceé, then wife, to special to publicly broadcast. Is something seriously wrong with this picture? Seriously, if you have some things to say about yourself, how public you make them says a WHOLE LOT about who you are. I personally don’t bother with plenty of photos about me making political statements. Unless the person knows me I could care less about them seeing some picture of me, and if they know me, well, the photo is irrelevant.


24 posted on 11/19/2012 6:44:38 AM PST by Morpheus2009
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To: servo1969
If you read the whole wretched interview, you find that the big reason the family is making a stink about this is because the boy's father is concerned that the family will not be able to be buried together, or near to his parent's graves.

Such things are small potatoes next to the souls of your family, but I don't suppose father really believes in the Living Christ who will judge the living and the dead, either. For him, religion is probably nothing more than smells and bells, baptistries and sepulchres and pretty music. He seems to be merely a consumer of religion-it is beyond the pale for it to make any demands of him.

25 posted on 11/19/2012 6:47:59 AM PST by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: Morpheus2009

with a smirk no less... does this not look like the cat that got the canary?

that priest would be amiss if he did nothing less than exhort the lad to get right with the Lord.


26 posted on 11/19/2012 6:48:36 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: jboot

Isn’t the boy old enough to choose where he wants to be buried when he is ready to push up daisies? This sounds bizarre of the parents too. It isn’t all the boy’s weirdness.


27 posted on 11/19/2012 6:50:49 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: napscoordinator

ah got it, the super cool thing going on, .

[SIGH]


28 posted on 11/19/2012 6:53:00 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: servo1969

I teach and run a confirmation class. Yes - nobody is allowed to be confirmed unless they agree to follow all the teachings of the Catholic church.

I’m happy that this diocese did this - I haven’t had to exclude a student yet - but I would if one of them did something like this.


29 posted on 11/19/2012 6:53:41 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: jboot
Unitarian Universalists would be the fastest-growing denomination.
Had to look them up and found they describe themselves as:My guess is they meet here every weekend ...

30 posted on 11/19/2012 6:55:23 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: servo1969

“It has always seemed to me that a few Catholics consider Catholicism to be some sort of club instead of a religion whose teachings they are to follow. “

A GROWING problem with MANY Christian sects in America which is one of the reasons we are losing to Islam.

They believe in SOMETHING, regardless of how depraved we know it to be. It sets limits and is inflexible.

Contemporary Christianity has become a wishy-washy mix of shifting values, dictated by the media and Hollywood elites.


31 posted on 11/19/2012 6:59:35 AM PST by ZULU (See video: http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-first-siege-of-vienna.html)
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To: servo1969

“It’s just the way the priest has things running. He’s so strict. He won’t loosen up about things.”

Wow. The priest is strict? Wait till he meets a Holy God.


32 posted on 11/19/2012 7:02:34 AM PST by haffast
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To: Morpheus2009
I personally don’t bother with plenty of photos about me making political statements. Unless the person knows me I could care less about them seeing some picture of me, and if they know me, well, the photo is irrelevant.

Exactly. The same here. It's crazy what some people post. Do they even realize that stuff will be in forever cyberspace? As in, Hey granny, I think I saw a naked picture of you on the internet.

33 posted on 11/19/2012 7:05:38 AM PST by Bitsy
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To: grimalkin; mickie
"This is news?"

It is to many of us.

The title of this thread was clear. If you didn't deem it news that you wanted to read, why did you click on to it....and then furthermore, even bother to post a dumb comment?

Leni

34 posted on 11/19/2012 7:06:31 AM PST by MinuteGal (Tuesday, November 6, 2012.....A Day that will Live in Infamy)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
The kid isn't driving this. You have to read between the lines a bit, but it was dad who went to the press. Here's how I see it:

Father: the liberal son of an old Catholic family, he loves the physical plant of the church and the "mystical" connection to his ancestors. Real faith? Maybe, maybe not, but one way or the other he is 100% subject to...

...Mother: a liberal agnostic, she tolerated the "church thing" for her husband's sake. Now that repentance has been required she has expressed her intention to leave and never return rather than submit. I suspect that she'll throw herself into the lake of fire on Judgement Day if doing so means that she can continue believing and acting as she chooses.

Son: a typical teenage youth culture drone. I doubt he cares one way or the other. No church means he gets his Sunday mornings back. AWESOME!

35 posted on 11/19/2012 7:08:04 AM PST by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: JCBreckenridge

#29

So by wanting to be ‘confirmed’(is that right?) but disagreeing with the churches teachings about homosexuality aren’t they saying that they intend to pick and choose what parts of Catholicism they like and and don’t like? Or do I not understand what we’re talking about? (Happens to me all the time.)


36 posted on 11/19/2012 7:13:53 AM PST by servo1969
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To: MinuteGal
Don't misunderstand me. I was making a comment that it should be a given that he would be refused confirmation and it's a sad testament of society that this is a shock to the MSM so much in fact, that they spend an inordinate amount of time making hay out these type of situations. They are vehemently against the Church and the "good guy" according the them, is this very confused kid (The local CBS affiliate WDAY also let the liberal argument dominate).

Once upon a time, it would have been obvious to anyone with any common sense. These days, there is hardly a shred to be found.

37 posted on 11/19/2012 7:16:27 AM PST by grimalkin (Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. Friedman)
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To: manc

No one forces those people to be Catholics. If they don’t want to follow the Cathlic beliefs then they can cease being a Catholic and, if they want to continue being a Christian, become, say, a Methodist.

Conversely, the Catholic church can kick them out if they don’t agree with the Catholic set of beliefs.


38 posted on 11/19/2012 7:19:29 AM PST by cymbeline
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To: oh8eleven
I've known a lot of UUs. Their core doctrine boils down to this:

1. Believe whatever you want so long as it does not make others uncomfortable.

2. If you simply must believe in something dogmatic (such as a specific God rather than a general "god-spirit"), keep it to yourself.

39 posted on 11/19/2012 7:23:19 AM PST by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: servo1969

Stop it with the “GAY” crap already. They are HOMOSEXUALS. Besides, “gay marriage” is an oxymoron.


40 posted on 11/19/2012 7:30:58 AM PST by windsorknot
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To: oh8eleven

the unitarian is like many black churches, they use the land, , a building and meet to talk about politics and then claim tax free status.
They they also can get our money through the tax based program .

I’ts such a scam.

Time the Govt clamp down on these frauds disguised as religions and churches, won;t hold my breath though.


41 posted on 11/19/2012 7:33:57 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: servo1969

At confirmation you state your baptismal vows again.

One of those is about rejecting Satan and all his works.
Gay marriage is one of Satan’s works, obviously.


42 posted on 11/19/2012 7:36:20 AM PST by RadiationRomeo (Step into my mind and glimpse the madness that is me)
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To: windsorknot

great post.
I;mm sick of our side playing the lefts name game, they are not gay, they are not happy, they are homosexuals.

The elft takes words and then uses those words to put a smiley happy face on their agenda.

Illegals,undocumentated.
homosexuals, gay
Govt socialist health care, affordable health care act

it goes on and on and our side just goes along with this crap


43 posted on 11/19/2012 7:37:58 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: jboot

It’s possible to have it the other way around, too, what if the father was an agnostic/atheist and the mother a liberal catholic. Yeah, sadly that’s the way my family is, but I decided to be otherwise. Good news is, however, is that I have a more religious family than what I grew up with now, and am a committed believing Catholic, who does care, and doesn’t post any of my past or present beliefs that could be controversial or that the world has no need to see, on Facebook. Even some pictures of myself and my now-wife we agreed just don’t belong on Facebook. They aren’t raunchy, and frankly we did go with an oath of chastity before marriage which we both lived up to, but still, they’re a little too special for us to post to the public, and frankly, whomever would know or care about what’s happening to us would already know what’s neccessary.


44 posted on 11/19/2012 7:38:26 AM PST by Morpheus2009
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To: manc

There should not be any tax dollars going to any non-government organization, period.


45 posted on 11/19/2012 7:43:45 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: servo1969

There are many in Protestant circles that think this way too. Sad. Not all who cry Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom. They are tossing away the promise for current human political correctness.


46 posted on 11/19/2012 7:51:59 AM PST by vpintheak (Occupy your Brain!)
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To: vpintheak

doesn’t Revelations say that the most visible religious leaders will endorse the anti-Christ?

....

anyway, if you don’t believe in Catholic doctrine, don’t pretend to be Catholic. Duh. Simple.


47 posted on 11/19/2012 7:57:39 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: windsorknot
Generation gap here. Where I'm from "gay" was generally used as an insult just as much as the term homo. It was equivalent to "lame."

"Obama is so gay"

The only time I hear "gay" mean happy is with the Flintstones reruns.

48 posted on 11/19/2012 7:58:06 AM PST by Darren McCarty (If most people were more than keyboard warriors, we might have won the election)
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To: RadiationRomeo

#42

Oh, ok.


49 posted on 11/19/2012 8:26:49 AM PST by servo1969
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To: grimalkin
Now I get what you were getting at. My profound apologies. We are in agreement on all points of fealty to the Bible, I'm sure.

Leni

50 posted on 11/19/2012 8:32:07 AM PST by MinuteGal (Tuesday, November 6, 2012.....A Day that will Live in Infamy)
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