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The World From Berlin: Israeli Assault Is “Strategically Counterproductive”
Der Spiegel ^ | 11/16/2012 | Jane Paulick

Posted on 11/17/2012 4:52:03 PM PST by Olog-hai

Israel's “Pillar of Defense” operation is underway in Gaza amid the biggest flare-up in Israeli-Palestinian violence in four years. Israel launched the operation in response to days of rocket fire out of the Hamas-led Gaza Strip, kicking it off on Wednesday with more than 50 airstrikes and the assassination of Ahmed Jabari, Hamas' top military commander. …

Although they don’t see eye to eye on the ethical issues surrounding the targeted assassination of Jabari, German editorialists on Friday are in broad agreement that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu primarily launched the offensive in order to bolster support for his Likud party in advance of the parliamentary election scheduled for January 22. They also worry that the fighting could threaten peace between Israel and Egypt and foster even more instability in the Middle East. …

(Excerpt) Read more at spiegel.de ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel; War on Terror
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1 posted on 11/17/2012 4:52:10 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Maybe the Germans would like to explain some kind of “final solution” for us.


2 posted on 11/17/2012 4:55:25 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Olog-hai

Quiet down, Jerry.


3 posted on 11/17/2012 4:55:25 PM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: Olog-hai

No one seems to recall how this whole thing got started just the other day ...It wasn’t the killing of Jabari , it was an unproviked attack on a vehicle full of IDF soldiers who werre on patrol on the Israel Gaza border road , on the Israeli side and whom were hit by a laser guided anti tank rocket . How many were killed ? They shot back with some tank fire and then Hamas started unloading with the present enfilade. Jabari was ancillary to the response to all of that . THEY always start it and then they hide behind women and children and cry foul . I say take them all out , with prejudice , no mercy , no quarter . Make Gaza totally unlivable . Permanently


4 posted on 11/17/2012 4:56:36 PM PST by LeoWindhorse
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To: Olog-hai
Dear Germany,

When Mohammedan missiles fall on Berlin, we'll remind you to not react counterproductively.

Screw off,

AAC

5 posted on 11/17/2012 4:59:06 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: LeoWindhorse

It’s the liberal media that has the memory “deficiency”.


6 posted on 11/17/2012 4:59:16 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

The Israelis should hide in their bomb shelters while Hamas showers rockets down on them. I suppose shooting down the incoming rockets is unnecessarily provocative. If the Jews defend themselves, they must be exterminated. Remind anyone of the Warsaw Getto? Except the Israeli Jews are well armed.


7 posted on 11/17/2012 5:01:39 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: Olog-hai

How many Muslims have European countries, including Germany, let in? And how many are they continuing to let emigrate? If they don’t realize how “strategically unproductive” that policy is, they should just STFU.


8 posted on 11/17/2012 5:02:48 PM PST by rbg81
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To: cripplecreek

Ouch! That’ll leave a mark...or a euro, whatever...


9 posted on 11/17/2012 5:12:21 PM PST by stormhill
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To: cripplecreek

..... more memory loss in Germany.... (spit...cough) rascals.... condemned millions of decent folks to the gas chambers.... Yet, today..... they have memory loss....


10 posted on 11/17/2012 5:22:58 PM PST by ptsal (E)
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To: Olog-hai

and if nearly a thousand rockets were fired into Germany from somewhere in the last year or so, wonder if they would be patient and eschew a military response.

And this “Germany” siding with the people who are calling for the elimination of all Jews, and for a “final solution” to the problem of Israel,,,, that wouldn’t be the same “Germany” that i read used to,,,,

Ohhh,, nevermind.


11 posted on 11/17/2012 5:40:10 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Olog-hai

ISRAEL. POLAND. Two countries, two nations who check their enemy and raise them by double, every single time. Every. Time.

We can’t seem to whip the stuff off our own shirt tail. The Repuplican Establishment still corrals us, every election, and Third Party eludes us.


12 posted on 11/17/2012 5:40:48 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: rbg81

The Muslims are coming into smaller midsize cities 100 per month is what I have been told. Check out the numbers on the QT with your nearest Catholic Family Service, who are not allowed to ask questions of religious affiliation, but only to meet the needs of these “refugees”.

Don’t know how accurate this story is, but the source is credible.


13 posted on 11/17/2012 5:51:21 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Olog-hai

A man with a gun breaks into your house. As he goes from room to room, shooting up the place, he keeps yelling out, “Don’t you oppress me! Don’t you defend yourself! Stop oppressing me!”

Meanwhile, all your neighbors are standing in their front yards and yelling support for the gunman, and cursing you for trying to defend your home from his attack.


14 posted on 11/17/2012 6:00:51 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Agreed.

Many years ago a coworker made the same argument for the Palestinian side holding that Israel was the intruder.
It occurs to me that a sufficiently irrational position can't be successfully argued against. Sometimes it's best to let the muzzle do the speaking.

15 posted on 11/17/2012 6:14:55 PM PST by stormhill
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To: stormhill

In this case, fighting the Paleos achieves little, if the status quo is not changed. And the only way to change the status quo is to deport all the Gaza Paleos to Egypt.

Israel has just been insane not to have done this already. Each and every time, the Paleos just keep getting better and better weapons, and their attacks get more and more effective.

So what do the Israelis think will happen? That if they just kill a few more Hamas leaders, that the Paleos will stop attacking? That they will no longer get support from Iran, and now Egypt?

How many Israelis have to die before they finally say “Enough!”, and push all the Paleos out of Gaza into Egypt?

Is there not enough strife? Will the Israelis feel lonely once the Paleos are not there, attacking them?

Seriously, push them out. The murder and violence will only keep getting worse until they do.

As much as they adore the status quo, it has to end.


16 posted on 11/17/2012 6:22:03 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: Olog-hai

Germans. Who the Hell would take their advice on international relations???


17 posted on 11/17/2012 6:28:13 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: Olog-hai

How’s it going to look when the Israli ground forces start reporting capturing caches of weapons traceable to Libya, Syria, or Egypt?


18 posted on 11/17/2012 6:28:52 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: JimSEA

that’s about what they are saying on the news here in Seattle.

the nerve of those rascally Israelis...

Mrs. Corrie on the news going on about how unfair the IDF is
in targeting poor defenseless Gaza. Since her daughter died
she has become a saint of the left.


19 posted on 11/17/2012 6:40:22 PM PST by RitchieAprile (the obsteperous gentleman..)
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To: RitaOK

It is my considered opinion FWIW that a third party should be started immediately. Tea Party people need to get busy canvasing their neighborhoods or towns and start signing up people for a third party. By 2016 with Sarah Palin’s leadership, the party should be ready to challenge the two loser parties. It would need a strong leader who already has national/international recognition. If the Tea Party doesn’t have the patriotism to do this, there is no hope for the U.S.


20 posted on 11/17/2012 6:57:41 PM PST by WVNan
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To: WVNan

Nothing says “Dem win” like a Clintonian plurality.

Perot showed with unlimited funds and a lot of MSM support you could get to 20%.


21 posted on 11/17/2012 7:02:46 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's bankruptcy: 2016)
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To: Olog-hai
Although they don’t see eye to eye on the ethical issues surrounding the targeted assassination of Jabari

The tut-tutting about "targeted assassination" is sheer silliness. The guy who orders the murder of your people should not have the luxury of sleeping sound in his bed.

In fact, it makes little sense to go after the low-level triggermen while ignoring the men who pay them, train them, and command them. The commanders and the suits should be at the top of your list. Sure, slap back at the sock puppet but save special attention for the man who's got his hand up the sock puppet's backside.

22 posted on 11/17/2012 7:17:50 PM PST by marron
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To: Olog-hai

The real answer, once you’ve taken out the triggermen and their commanders and the guys who pay them, is to seize and annex the property where the attack was launched from.

If the owner of the property is an innocent, then compensate him for his loss. Then bulldoze any structures, move the fence and claim it permanently.

Killing a few deluded terrorists transmits no pain since no one cares about the lives of these people except possibly the Israelis themselves. The only thing that transmits pain to the men at the top, besides making them a target too, is the loss of territory and the accompanying humiliation.

The only peace in the middle east is the peace within Israel’s borders, so the best way to increase peace is to increase the territory under their control.


23 posted on 11/17/2012 7:26:50 PM PST by marron
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To: RitchieAprile

Objective, rational thought processes are an early casualty of progressive politics. Mrs. Corrie I can understand but everybody else??


24 posted on 11/17/2012 8:03:14 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: WVNan

I am ALL IN for a Third Party.

Frankly I may fall in with most, but not all, of the Libertarian explosion, because Ron Paul is no celebrity; he’s not pretty and he’s not charismatic, no platitude parrot, but an old warrior who knows the system, the players and the ropes. He never hides, hesitates or ponders his navel, but goes out there and puts it all on the line. Even arch conservatives balk and jerk at his painfully honest and strict interpretation of the Constitution, but he is the one real friend to the intentions of the Founders. (And he is a genius, actually.)

His movement is waiting for a replacement. We are still trying to just patch together a first clue. No more silver tongue wannabees for me. This is war.


25 posted on 11/17/2012 9:15:56 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Olog-hai

Seems like, this time, the Good Germans are on the Marxist/Socialist Left. Hmm. Might explain the “Socialist” in the “National Socialist Party” of dear Adolph.

Birds of a feather kill Jews together.

Seems like old times.


26 posted on 11/17/2012 11:30:14 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
Göring explained the fusion of nationalism and socialism into Nazism in his 1933 speech on the matter.
We did not make a national revolution in the sense of a barren, outdated hyper-patriotism, but rather this revolution is, in the truest sense of the word, a National Socialist revolution. Previously, the two fought each other, divided by hatred and unfortunate enmity. Nationalism and Socialism stood opposed: the bourgeoisie supported nationalism, the Marxists socialism. The bourgeoisie fell into a barren hyper-patriotism, lost in pacifistic cowardice. On the other side, a Marxist layer of the people, a Marxist class, wanted nothing to do with the Reich or a people. There was no bridge between them.

Marxist socialism was degraded to a concern only with pay or the stomach. The bourgeoisie degraded nationalism into barren hyper-patriotism. Both concepts, therefore, must be cleansed and shown to the people anew, in a crystal-clear form. The nationalism of our worldview arrived at the right moment. Our movement seized the concept of socialism from the cowardly Marxists, and tore the concept of nationalism from the cowardly bourgeois parties, throwing both into the melting pot of our worldview, and producing a clear synthesis: German National Socialism. That provided the foundation for the rebuilding of our people. Thus this revolution was National Socialist. …
He goes on to slander the “Jewish press” and make hollow platitudes about “German unity” and so on. But obviously, anything based on socialistic tenets of any shade comes to ruin.
27 posted on 11/17/2012 11:41:43 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: RitaOK

Sorry, but his anti-Israelism and apparent rejection of “private morality” (something the Founding Fathers were adamant about insofar as preserving the USA), and no mention of strong families, not only makes me reject him but also libertarianism, which is liberalism that incorporates fiscal conservatism.


28 posted on 11/17/2012 11:45:29 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

They thought the bombing of Dresden was wrong too...


29 posted on 11/18/2012 5:01:56 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: Olog-hai

I know what you mean on the Paul policy distance on social behaviors. I haven’t really heard him get to speak in depth on some of these things, but I’m thinking after we lose our liberties concerning everything, and and lose our religious rights, then Paul’s point in personal freedom may look a whole lot better, and be pretty well received by then. And of course he is attempting to break the pot runners as well.

But, yes, I understand your opinion. I don’t like his position, from what little I’ve been able to hear, on Israel, but he always seems to get cut off or interrupted before it sinks in what he is saying.


30 posted on 11/18/2012 8:26:49 AM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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