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Catholic nun stands trial over 63 counts of physical and sexual abuse of children Catholic nun stand
Irish Central ^ | 11-15-2012 | Cathy Hayes

Posted on 11/17/2012 5:36:23 AM PST by Renfield

A Catholic nun has been charged with the “systematic” abuse of seven schoolgirls in the 1970s. Sister Mary Teresa Grogan has denied the 63 counts of indecent assault put to her.

It is alleged that these crimes took place while she was teaching in a primary school (middle school) in the midlands of Ireland from 1973 to 1977. All of her victims were the same age, in third class, approximately nine-years-old.

One complainant told the court that the nun would call her to her desk and put her hand inside her underwear.

The lawyer for the prosecution, Aileen Donnelly SC, said that during the trial the other complainants would be giving evidence to the court of “highly similar” but not identical assaults, the Irish Times reports.

Many of the victims attended the trial on Tuesday at the Sligo Circuit Court.

RTE reports that Grogan has spent time in the missions in Africa but returned a number of years ago when one of the alleged victims made a complaint to the police and an investigation into her behavior began.

Grogan (62) pleaded “not guilty” 63 times for each of the charges.

The trial before Judge Donagh McDonagh is expected to continue for two to three weeks.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: catholic; crime; homosexualagenda; ireland; pedophilia

Sister Mary Teresa Grogan Photo by Irish Independent

1 posted on 11/17/2012 5:36:32 AM PST by Renfield
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To: Renfield

Keep homosexuals away from all children. Politically incorrect, but wise.


2 posted on 11/17/2012 5:44:38 AM PST by allendale
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To: Renfield

Nuns could be extremely authoritarian. As Catholic school teachers in the Bronx, back in the 50’s, they would use long wooden rulers as ‘teaching aids’. Very effective, I am not joking.


3 posted on 11/17/2012 5:51:10 AM PST by duckman (I'm part of the group pulling the wagon!)
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To: Renfield

One of those non-traditional nuns.


4 posted on 11/17/2012 5:55:57 AM PST by FrdmLvr (culture, language, borders)
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To: Renfield
I always wondered whatever happened to Chuck Cunningham....


5 posted on 11/17/2012 5:56:14 AM PST by massmike (At least no one is wearing a "Ron Paul - 2016" tee shirt........yet!)
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To: massmike

Yeah, that *would* explain why the Cunninghams rarely mentioned Chuck...


6 posted on 11/17/2012 6:15:03 AM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: duckman

Do you remember the wooden clickers used when we had to genufleck before entering the pews?

Oh yes, I remember those rulers.


7 posted on 11/17/2012 6:40:20 AM PST by Engedi
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To: Renfield

First of all, she’s not a nun. She’s a “sister” — nuns are cloistered. Second of all, she’s not wearing a habit which indicates she’s from a liberal order. Thus, this is not in the least bit surprising.


8 posted on 11/17/2012 6:44:11 AM PST by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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To: Engedi

‘Do you remember the wooden clickers used when we had to genufleck before entering the pews?’

To this day I genuflect as I cross each aisle of pews and before I enter the pew. Also make the sign of the cross as I drive past any RC Church. They made me a good-little-soldier in my mid sixties.


9 posted on 11/17/2012 6:48:50 AM PST by duckman (I'm part of the group pulling the wagon!)
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To: duckman

I attended Catholic grade school , high school and college and after a lifetime of being a Catholic, I don’t attend church anymore........too many priest pedophiles and now this. Organized religion lends itself to abuse. Religion is a personal thing between you and your God.


10 posted on 11/17/2012 7:00:52 AM PST by estrogen (voter fraud was huge)
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To: estrogen

The liberalization of the overall social order is what lends itself to abuse. The United States could not have been founded by men who maintained a strictly “personal” relationship with God.


11 posted on 11/17/2012 7:19:06 AM PST by onedoug
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To: duckman
To this day I genuflect as I cross each aisle of pews and before I enter the pew. Also make the sign of the cross as I drive past any RC Church. They made me a good-little-soldier in my mid sixties.

I do the very same to this day,not out of fear but out of genuine reverence.I went to Catholic schools,including a Catholic boarding school when my mother was very sick,and the nuns were certainly strict (some more than others) but I was never "abused"...physically,psychologically or sexually.Yes,I suppose I feared some of them to a degree but *today* the only thing I fear is God's judgment.That's the main reason I try (with only partial success) to live a good,decent life.

12 posted on 11/17/2012 7:19:42 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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To: estrogen
...too many priest pedophiles and now this.

Although it certainly shouldn't have happened at all we're only talking about 1 or 2 percent of priests and nuns. Sounds like you "scare" pretty easily.

13 posted on 11/17/2012 7:22:35 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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To: Renfield
Toldya About the Lesbian Nuns in Leavenworth [Ann Barnhardt]
14 posted on 11/17/2012 7:26:39 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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To: estrogen
The pedophilia rate among clergy is the same as in the general population.

But pretend like it's not so you can be indignantly outraged.

15 posted on 11/17/2012 7:28:55 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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To: Renfield
Grogan (62) pleaded “not guilty” 63 times for each of the charges.

Well, that seems a bit excessive.

What is 63 squared anyway?

16 posted on 11/17/2012 8:09:02 AM PST by Graybeard58 (What G.O.P.e. candidate is in store for us in 2016?)
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To: Renfield

And the Romulans continue to decline into irrelevance in the white world.


17 posted on 11/17/2012 8:11:11 AM PST by Clemenza ("History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil governm)
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To: Renfield

And the Romulans continue to decline into irrelevance in the white world.


18 posted on 11/17/2012 8:11:11 AM PST by Clemenza ("History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil governm)
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To: Renfield

And the Romulans continue to decline into irrelevance in the white world.


19 posted on 11/17/2012 8:11:24 AM PST by Clemenza ("History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil governm)
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To: estrogen
You no doubt willingly support public education without a second thought, don't you?
20 posted on 11/17/2012 8:31:58 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: duckman

I also went to Catholic schools in the Bronx. Most of the nuns I had as teachers were decent and learned educators. One however, almost kileed this kid in the fourth grade. She was a mean mal-adjusted bully who should have been locked up. All she ever wanted to do was beat on kids.


21 posted on 11/17/2012 8:54:21 AM PST by tenthirteen
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The pedophilia rate among clergy is the same as in the general population. But pretend like it's not so you can be indignantly outraged.

Pretend that the clergy should be held to the same low standards as the rest of the population so you can continue blissfully in your morally anesthetized state.

22 posted on 11/17/2012 1:56:40 PM PST by Gluteus Maximus
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To: Gluteus Maximus

of course: to whom much is given, much is expected. and when a priest or minister goes looey that way, he has access to more opportunities to wreak havoc than the ordinary joe.


23 posted on 11/17/2012 1:59:45 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Renfield

What a nunsensical thing for her to do.

I almost thought it was Gropin’, not Grogan.


24 posted on 11/17/2012 2:01:02 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Gluteus Maximus

There human beings, with all that entails, you pompous, self-righteous twit.


25 posted on 11/17/2012 2:02:54 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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To: Clemenza

What is a Romulan or a governm?


26 posted on 11/17/2012 2:02:54 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

It’s supposed to be people who want to submit to holiness, which ought to dampen down that “average human being” child molestation impulse. Not give it a privileged platform to carry on as if what were being assented to were a bunch of meaningless ceremony.


27 posted on 11/17/2012 2:04:48 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: estrogen

Christian faith certainly is nothing unless based on the personal love of (and submission to) God. However it’s a shame, and disappoints God, if it does not go further. God wants His children to combat evil in the world and to encourage His other children.


28 posted on 11/17/2012 2:07:34 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Maybe you should appoint yourself Pope or Archduke or something. Then you can show everybody how it should be done.


29 posted on 11/17/2012 2:10:07 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

But keep in mind, the building and the seating aren’t what matters. That could all go away and it’s the people under their God, with God moving in them (if He truly does) that matters. I gladly admit my very Protestant bias as a fightin’ fundie, but still... some things need to go into perspective.


30 posted on 11/17/2012 2:12:00 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Why? There already is a cloud of witnesses.


31 posted on 11/17/2012 2:13:01 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: duckman

My husband went to catholic school until the 10th grade. He called the nuns Sister black and decker pecker wreckers..They asked him to leave after the 10th grade along with a couple of his friends...I guess since nuns don’t have children, they find it hard to spend all day with them....boys unlike girls are not prone to be quiet and sit still for 8 hours....But as an adult he was an usher, member of the mens club, voted president of the mens club attended Mass every sunday..(he was 19 when we married) and NO it was not because I was preg...I was 18 and we raised 5 kids without government benefits of any kind. Except I do collect widow benefits for SS but had to take a 30% discount in amount when I did at age 59 1/2..


32 posted on 11/17/2012 2:15:54 PM PST by goat granny
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To: goat granny

Indeed, why not monks for the boys? Where are the monks?


33 posted on 11/17/2012 2:21:06 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Congratulations. You are now officially on both sides of the fence.


34 posted on 11/17/2012 2:25:18 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Decent monks, to be sure. For almost anyone that would go without saying. Unless you are trying to insinuate double entendre or something similar, in which case please don’t go away mad, just go away.


35 posted on 11/17/2012 2:28:45 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Take your own advice.


36 posted on 11/17/2012 2:30:41 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Hey, nut, there are enough folks doing it decently and you can see how glorious it is when they do do it decently. And how horrible it is when such a post is used by a gutter life.

Shoo, scat. Be on your way.


37 posted on 11/17/2012 2:30:47 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Begone, avaunt!


38 posted on 11/17/2012 2:31:25 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
There human beings, with all that entails, you pompous, self-righteous twit.

Your name-calling evinces the poverty of your argument (as does your apparently poor grasp of proper English spelling).

But be that as it may, St. Paul made it clear that those who serve the Church must be much better than average. Our beloved Paul makes that abundantly clear. If a person isn't better than average, then he or she shouldn't be in the clergy. Thus, your position flatly contradicts Scripture.

1 Timothy 3 1It is a trustworthy statement: if any man aspires to the office of overseer, it is a fine work he desires to do. 2An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3not addicted to wine or pugnacious, but gentle, peaceable, free from the love of money. 4He must be one who manages his own household well, keeping his children under control with all dignity 5(but if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of the church of God?), 6and not a new convert, so that he will not become conceited and fall into the condemnation incurred by the devil. 7And he must have a good reputation with those outside the church, so that he will not fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

8Deacons likewise must be men of dignity, not double-tongued, or addicted to much wine or fond of sordid gain, 9but holding to the mystery of the faith with a clear conscience. 10These men must also first be tested; then let them serve as deacons if they are beyond reproach. 11Women must likewise be dignified, not malicious gossips, but temperate, faithful in all things. 12Deacons must be husbands of only one wife, and good managers of their children and their own households. 13For those who have served well as deacons obtain for themselves a high standing and great confidence in the faith that is in Christ Jesus.

39 posted on 11/17/2012 2:59:40 PM PST by Gluteus Maximus
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To: Gluteus Maximus
God will judge them.

But you go ahead and judge them too. Like anybody cares what you think.

40 posted on 11/17/2012 3:44:33 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
God will judge them. But you go ahead and judge them too. Like anybody cares what you think.

As if anybody cares what you think.

But why not actually engage the argument? You said, in effect, that the clergy shouldn't be held to a higher moral standard than the general population. I countered with clear Scriptural guidance that such a position simply isn't correct - indeed, that St. Paul himself makes it abundantly clear that the clergy is held to a much higher standard than the average person.

Instead of admitting you were wrong, you simply retreat into name-calling.

Which raises the question: are you a rational human being interested in arriving at truth in honest discussions, or are you rather an emoting poser?

It's looking to me like your an emoting poser, but I'd be very pleased to have you disprove that by addressing the argument.

41 posted on 11/17/2012 4:57:32 PM PST by Gluteus Maximus
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The monks are smart enough to not take up teaching,


42 posted on 11/18/2012 9:24:03 AM PST by goat granny
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