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Judge denies Allen West motion in Palm Beach County
Palm Beach Post ^ | Friday, Nov. 9, 2012 | Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

Posted on 11/09/2012 10:17:39 AM PST by LeoWindhorse

Judge [Jim] Crow denies Allen West's motion in Palm Beach County. He says West motion is "premature" since no the election has no official results yet; also says the legislature, not courts, sets election procedures.

A Palm Beach County circuit court hearing on Republican U.S. Rep. Allen West’s motion to impound ballots and voting machines is scheduled for noon today.[snip] West filed a similar motion in St. Lucie County.

(Excerpt) Read more at palmbeachpost.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: 112th; 2012swingstates; allenwest; fl; fl2012; palmbeachcounty
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To: manc

I don’t know if this is true or not. My son said that he heard or read that the military vote was not counted. That a huge majority of their votes, from key swing states were delivered to the wrong locations and arrived the day after the election. That the number of ballots would have possibly swung the vote to Romney’s side. Anyone else heard this?


101 posted on 11/09/2012 1:50:35 PM PST by southernindymom
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To: manc

manc, wasn’t it a republican legislature in FLA that erased West’s original district in the first place? If I am wrong, please don’t hesitate to kick my butt, but I seem to recall questioning WHY at the time.


102 posted on 11/09/2012 2:08:46 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills and none dare call it treason)
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To: stylin19a
Exactly! Which is why the process is closely observed by representatives of both parties. They do the same thing with ballots that are damaged, filled out with crayon, or have marks and drawings on them in addition to the votes. Most Counties try very hard to ascertain what the intent of the voter was (example: ballot rejected as an “overvote” but visual examination shows the voter marked space for XX and also wrote XX in the space for write in candidates. Clearly they meant their vote to count for XX- so it would count.)
As of right now- nearly 5pm on Friday November 9- the initial counting is not completed.
1- Provisional ballots had 3 days to show proof they were eligible to vote- that is today. So not all of them have been added in for every county.
2- Military absentee votes have to be accepted in the mail through the weekend (I believe) as long as the vote was actually dated prior to election day. So they wont be counted for several days.
Once all the votes have been counted, each County reports their results to the Secretary of State. Margins of less than .5% trigger an automatic machine recount. If margin remain that close, a manual recount of the over and under votes is done by the canvassing board.
Once the results have been certified, there is a process for a candidate to contest the outcome- which is why the judge told Cong West his request is premature.
He needs a good election lawyer- he could have a cause of action, but right now it's hard to tell.
//GG
103 posted on 11/09/2012 2:23:06 PM PST by Goldwater Girl
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To: southernindymom

I also read that there were huge problems getting military ballots delivered- including a mail plane crash in Iraq or somewhere.
The laws in each state are different- I believe in some northern states, absentee ballots are not counted unless they could change the outcome of a race.
Florida is under a Federal Consent Decree to accept and count military ballots received for a period of time (I think it’s a week) after election day, so most counties hold them and count them all at one time.
We count all ballots every election, but with nearly 9 million votes, it takes a while.


104 posted on 11/09/2012 2:29:17 PM PST by Goldwater Girl
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To: MestaMachine

LOL not going to kick Butt,
Yes you are correct it was the GOP.

Makes me sick


105 posted on 11/09/2012 2:31:07 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: presently no screen name

Dade, Palm and Broward being the worst


106 posted on 11/09/2012 2:32:14 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: MestaMachine
Yes, all the Districts were redrawn by a Republican dominated legislature in Florida last year. But the voters had overwhelmingly passed a Constitutional Amendment the previous election requiring Districts to be compact and keep communities together. It was a difficult exercise, which had to be approved by the state Supreme Court.
Because we added 3 new Congressional Districts due to population growth, there were major changes to nearly every one of the Districts.
Many incumbents ended up in new districts with another incumbent, so there was some scrambling right before qualifying to change where they were running. West and Rooney ended up in the same District- Rooney moved and won.
107 posted on 11/09/2012 2:36:23 PM PST by Goldwater Girl
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To: LeoWindhorse; mickie; flaglady47; seekthetruth; surfer
Those three arch-liberal Florida state Supremes just easily won retention to their seats on Tuesday's ballots. Just damn!

It's difficult to unseat any judges by retention amendments because 95% of the electorate just votes "yes" because they don't have the foggiest notion who the judges are and if they're liberal or conservative or registered sex offenders.

This is why I voted no on all amendments except the first no matter how "heart-wrenching" they appeared to be.

I'm against amendments in principle. The issues should be legislated in Tallahassee after debate in the open......and judges should be on the ballots by party every four years.

Cases like Col. West's today are prime examples of how we have to take back the courts. Right now the liberals control the judiciary and will control even more after Obama gets done appointing.

Leni

108 posted on 11/09/2012 2:47:44 PM PST by MinuteGal
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To: Eva

guess what?
Yes they have not given all their results in yet.
yep they do this every frigging time, they wait for all counties to report and ten they give their numbers knwing how many they need.

This time military and absentee ave not been counted and so those counties , yes those Dem corrupt counties have not given their numbers and will not do so until the absentee and military have been counted and added to the state numbers

This is what we are up against, corruption and the grand ole party said we move on , nothing to see here.

course as their elitist power seats are safe they don;t care about us.


109 posted on 11/09/2012 3:27:14 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: livius

here’s a county, I am so happy to live in this county

the only part where it went obama was the small area of where blacks live and Flagler college, down town

http://enrnow.votesjc.com/FL/St_Johns/42920/111353/en/md.html?cid=0103

we outnumber Dems and non party combined and yet they still try their fraud and corruption here.
Right now the Dems are trying to get the seats on St Augustine


110 posted on 11/09/2012 3:32:13 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: a real Sheila

I had ot go down there a few times for boxing, in St Lucie, West Palm beach , Hollywood etc and I hated it, .
it felt that I was in the liberal northeast with the way they drove and don;t get me started on their lack of manners, their arrogance.

they moved down here and then think FL owes them something.

I don;t understand why they move south and then try and make their new states look like the dump they left.

For the record I have lved up north and my wife is form there and she fitted in here right away and is now an adopted southern gal


111 posted on 11/09/2012 3:35:04 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: brityank

so then this is true then whee was the GOP mentioning this, where was the media , this was a big deal and the GOP states nothing, th emedia ignores it.

FRIGGING TYPICAL OF THE IDIOTS WE HAVE


112 posted on 11/09/2012 3:39:14 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: kenmcg

http://enrnow.votesjc.com/FL/St_Johns/42920/111353/en/md.html?cid=0103

my county and he woudl eaily win this district, we’d take him, we;re in NE FL


113 posted on 11/09/2012 3:40:01 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: George Varnum

just go back to having a cop at every station, the votes are paper and ten they are counted by hand

Couldn;t careless if we do not get the decision that night as long as my vote is counted


114 posted on 11/09/2012 3:47:31 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: blueyon

Can the Governor step in and order the voting machines impounded pending an investigation into the fraud?


115 posted on 11/09/2012 3:49:06 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Which is the Real ‘Racist’ Party: Fifteen Questions for Democrats

http://bigjournalism.com/fross/2010/02/08/which-is-the-real-racist-party-fifteen-questions-for-democrats/

Great Moments in Democrat Racist History - FDR
http://theblacksphere.blogspot.com/2009/04/great-moments-in-democrat-racist.html


116 posted on 11/09/2012 3:55:50 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Vermont Lt
Is there someone out there that can explain it to us?

Victims of government education were never taught how to count or add only to mark the letter D on a computer screen

117 posted on 11/09/2012 4:02:25 PM PST by Cowman (How can the IRS seize property without a warrant if the 4th amendment still stands?)
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To: SoFloFreeper
The SocialistDemRats will just run-out the clock, Benghazi style.


118 posted on 11/09/2012 5:08:36 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: tcrlaf

exactly.

People forget what the Supremes actually ruled that day.

Sure! Have a recount!
But have it in every county - and use the same uniform standards with every ballot.

Libs are still shrieking 12 years later.


119 posted on 11/09/2012 5:16:06 PM PST by Scotswife
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To: Vermont Lt
What is the issue with Palm beach? How come they cannot get an election done with all of this BS? Is it the voting process or are the people simply stupid? So many town in the country can get this stuff done in hours...and count them again in a couple of days. Is there someone out there that can explain it to us?
The deal is that this little part of Palm Beach is run by dems who like to cheat . They can't get them counted (BTW here you vote on a paper ballot and enter it into a machine that automatically counts everything ) because they have to change and manufacture them to get the results they want . The entire problem in this is area is corruption and the fact that they allow people to vote by mail (don't have to show id like when voting in person) .


Allen West was targeted for redistricting because of who he is - a real American who loves this country and an Evangelical Christian who loves Israel - the GOP elite does not like him because they don't own him and the dems hate him for who he is . They moved his district so he would have a lot more dems in it and the most corrupt ones in the county to boot (you can thank the Rino Republicans who redrew this district for that one ) Not all of Palm Beach county is like this - it's a big county
120 posted on 11/09/2012 5:52:52 PM PST by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: manc

Thanks! As an outsider I would not have figured Palm. Broward, yes, I remember it from Bush’s election and don’t know Dade.


121 posted on 11/09/2012 5:59:11 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: a real Sheila; manc
and they cannot DRIVE for $hit!

Oh no! Is Daytona in any of those 3 counties? My daughter is going there Monday and will be renting a car when arriving. Will I ever stop worrying but would like to warn her on what to expect.

122 posted on 11/09/2012 6:18:20 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: brityank; untwist

OH! Thanks for the correction to post 69.


123 posted on 11/09/2012 6:23:25 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Jane Long

I’ve been wondering if Romney was being diligent and checking those states out. I can’t see why not, voter fraud is in play.


124 posted on 11/09/2012 6:30:30 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Yulee

Thank you. How do they get away with allowing voters to vote whenever, even when the polls close. I’m baffled!

Like the Carolina’s are - North and South. I wasn’t aware of this problem, it’s good info. I’ll drawn the line on my own map. ;)


125 posted on 11/09/2012 6:37:52 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: GraceG

AMEN!


126 posted on 11/09/2012 7:44:09 PM PST by thatdewd (I'm tired of watching stupid people do stupid things stupidly.)
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To: livius

Speaker? Ha!

I’d like to see him as our next president!


127 posted on 11/09/2012 10:35:36 PM PST by Left2Right (Starve the Beast!)
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To: manc; George Varnum
just go back to having a cop at every station, the votes are paper and ten they are counted by hand

Couldn;t careless if we do not get the decision that night as long as my vote is counted

After watching that HBO movie (thanks George) I find it merely confirms my suspicions about the computerization of the vote. As ably demonstrated, it isn't who votes that count - it's who counts the votes; thank you Stalin!

Getting back to paper is the way to go, but there needs to be some additional restrictions placed for that to work effectively. It may be better to go to all mail-in ballots, and restrict the announcements of the totals to the next day or week.

128 posted on 11/10/2012 1:16:06 AM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: untwist

Thanks. You made it sound as if West made the decision on his own to move from FL22 to FL18, but as you restated it was the GOP hierarchy doing the shift. I doubt that he would have had any support trying to not follow their request, little that he gets anyway.

Go watch that movie at #99 - we’re all getting screwed!


129 posted on 11/10/2012 1:30:21 AM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: manc

Same in Va if we could get rid of 3 counties would be an entirely different state in voting. They have a lot of money so I doubt that would ever happen.

I also think they were stealing votes and waiting like you say to come up with any number they needed. Of course the R’s don’t care so nothing will be said about it. The black areas of the state Norfolk and Richmond, God only knows what was going on there.


130 posted on 11/10/2012 3:59:51 AM PST by Carry me back
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To: uncommonsense

And they re-elected Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Can’t get any dumber than that. Florida is a lost cause except the panhandle. Maybe Alabama can annex them.


131 posted on 11/10/2012 5:27:38 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: brityank

Yes, the decision really was pushed by the GOP hierarchy. Allen West won my district, #22 by 8 points in 2010. It is not true that this district was hard democrat. Clay Shaw was in office here for 12 terms but was a casualty of the 2006 GOP wipeout. West restored it and would have been well served to stay here. I still am upset that the hierarchy did not put him up for the senate seat. Ultimately, it was fear of Allen West as a very strong, very vocal conservative. Instead we got Mack and he was dismal.


132 posted on 11/10/2012 7:12:54 AM PST by untwist
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To: George Varnum

BTTT It is clearly partisan against Bush, but the reality is that both parties can, and clearly WILL use it.

George Varnum posted - “”This video might explain a lot of what goes on with both the Republicrat and Demican big box establishment parties:

“Hacking Democracy”
(free at http://www.hulu.com/watch/192687).
Also on YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVTXbARGXso.

After you watch this you might wonder what this lady is doing still alive.
I do.

But even if we can prove that our country and states have been stolen from us, what are we going to DO about it?

What CAN we do about it?””

May God keep watch.
Tatt


133 posted on 11/10/2012 7:29:30 AM PST by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." Dorothy Bernard)
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To: Carry me back

St Luci county in south FL had over a 140% turnout and yet we still get freepers posting utter crap about how we did to get a turn out

We got the turn out, our counts as we have found were not counted and they did massive fraud and 4 years of prepping for this


134 posted on 11/10/2012 8:13:21 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: manc

my county and it was like this in all republican areas so the media try and tell us less poeple voted for Romney, no it;s those 3 counties in the south east which are Dems which ruin this state.


So true.

Once you hit Riviera Beach in certain sections, then Lauderdale, Miami etc there are sections that look just like a NE city.....and they vote like one.

Even the Posh Boca Raton has areas that would make you think you are in
slum land...


135 posted on 11/10/2012 8:21:55 AM PST by patriotspride
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To: ilovesarah2012

DOES My county look lost and I’m not in the panhandle\
try to understand please that we have 3 big Dem counties in the south which are corrupt, FL is a republican state

http://enrnow.votesjc.com/FL/St_Johns/42920/111353/en/md.html?cid=0103

we’re in the north east and all the north east went Romey like mine too


136 posted on 11/10/2012 8:31:56 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: LeoWindhorse

*BUMP*


137 posted on 11/10/2012 11:46:19 AM PST by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: zzeeman

Neither the Dems of the GOP like an “uppity” black man. The GOP has done everything they can to kneecap West because he tells it like it is and has no tolerance for the weaklings and compromisers in the Republican “leadership”. He is a threat to their comfortable life in Washington and had to be stopped. And Mia Love was viewed as another West in the making so she was left with little support. Just imagine had the millions wasted on futile efforts in Michigan and Pennsylvania been spent on the races in Florida and Utah.


138 posted on 11/10/2012 1:03:51 PM PST by littleharbour
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To: manc

RIP GOP in Florida, as state becoming true blue

November 8, 2012

Florida once again proved to be the key to victory for President Obama.

Even though the results were extremely close and were still in contention the morning after, the fact that Mitt Romney could not win the state outright early and extensively was one of the major contributing factors to his losing the Presidential election.

Sure, the demographics of the state made it a true bellwether of the nation’s political being and the practical tie in the vote for president in Florida reflected the predicted tightness of the popular vote nationwide — but there’s much more to read in those numbers.

The Republican Party in Florida proved it’s comatose, if not outright dead, as a consequential influence in state politics by not delivering an economically crippled Florida in a big way to the Romney camp.

The failure of the GOP to capture Florida for Romney was only one of its failings.

The party’s inability to capture a Senate seat from a mediocre incumbent running in a state with a weak economy and to protect a number of its incumbents and candidates (and rising stars) in what were or should have been very close races in state, congressional and local races in Democratic-centric South Florida is a nothing less than a political catastrophe.

Looking at the results, they showed that the Tally-centric Republican Party of Florida is an ineffective, outdated, out of touch political machine which has failed once again to meet the challenges of the demographic changes in Florida, particularly the influx of Puerto Ricans from the northeast into the I-4 corridor and the conversion of younger Cubans to the Democratic brand in Miami-Dade County.

And as much as the state reflected the mood of the country, in both state and national politics, the election results accentuated the debilitating influence in GOP ranks of social-centric fanatics driven by Biblical dogma and extreme, xenophobic right wing ideology that have driven out necessary and important moderate influences that used to make the party attractive to the middle of the road Americans — or the Florida residents receiving food stamps.

The RPOF remains stuck in sinking mud in the Terry Schiavo era of Florida politics, more consumed with its petty fight with former turncoat Gov. Charlie Crist than getting political candidates representing a broad spectrum of political thought elected to office.

The election showed its failed focus remains on crusading on Christian social issues and protecting a small, but extremely powerful rich super constituency of millionaires and powerful insurance, agriculture and finance lobby.

They spent more time pushing a bloated ballot containing too many right wing social and economic issues and continuing the fight to limit early voting rather than concentrating on tough races in South Florida involving rising stars in its ranks like Allen West, Adam Hasner, and Ellyn Bogdanoff.

And the results reflected the impotency and insignificance of the unpopular Republican Gov. Scott —he’s the unpopular GOP “leader” of the state that Romney had to shun.

President Obama’s success has truly shown that Florida is no longer a battleground state.

Florida is no longer a red, southern state, but instead second New York State, a Democratic stronghold where a large minority of its citizens believes in the concept of Federal supremacy and subsists on the largesse of big government

As a result, Florida has now become yet another given Democratic state in terms of electoral votes as much as other states with very significant numbers like California, New York, and New Jersey. The failure in last two presidential elections of the RPOF to deliver the state’s 29 votes reflects that new political reality.

Between New York, California, and now Florida, a huge obstacle of the Republican Party in any future presidential race is the fact its candidate starts out of the gate over 100 electoral votes behind because huge Democratic majorities and the nonexistence of viable Republican parties in these states.

In his concession speech after losing a tough race, moderate Massachusetts Governor Scott Brown stated: “There are no obstacles that can’t be overcome and defeat is only temporary.”

Last night’s results showed that unless there’s an earthquake in Tallahassee, the defeat is eternal and Republican Party is dead in Florida.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/opinion/fl-skcol-oped1108-20121108,0,5426777.story


139 posted on 11/10/2012 1:08:36 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012

sorry ut that article is crap

We had the homo marriage vote and it went over 62%
we have good gun laws
we have a republican house and senate
we have a republican GOv, AG etc.

Liberals can think this state is a Dem state but wihtout their massive voter fraud and other corruption then this state is solidly red


140 posted on 11/10/2012 1:12:40 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: ilovesarah2012

BTW, That paper is very liberal and known by many here


141 posted on 11/10/2012 1:13:41 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: manc

Obama won Florida twice. That says it all. And Scott will never be re-elected.

I grew up in So. Fla. and lived there until I couldn’t take it any more and moved to NC in 1998. I am very familiar with the Sun-Sentinel and I agree with the writer. And don’t forget Debbie Wasserman Shultz won again. Doesn’t sound very red to me. And West. How could West possibly lose? He is a black conservative war hero. Face it - Florida sucks!


142 posted on 11/10/2012 1:26:36 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012

then since you left thngs havenot got all liberal,.
Remember our 2008 elections, remember 2010.

Look I know people on here were saying NC was a lost cause now and it;s a blue state and how some were to move out after 2008 but it went back to being republican,

to think FL is a bue solid state like this writer is pure stupid


143 posted on 11/10/2012 1:28:34 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: manc

North Florida and South Florida are two different states. Unfortunately, the population is much larger in South Florida and much more liberal.

Statistical Roadmap of Florida Voter Registration.
Voter Registration by Party Affiliation and County

http://election.dos.state.fl.us/nvra/registration.asp

About a half-million more registered dems than republicans in Florida. No longer red.


144 posted on 11/10/2012 1:58:42 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: LeoWindhorse

Oh my; they wouldn’t let anyone watch them open (and probably shred) military ballots?

More ballots cast than voters to cast them?

Imagine that!

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/robbins-report/2012/nov/10/florida-vote-twist-more-ballots-voters/


145 posted on 11/11/2012 5:29:50 AM PST by George Varnum (Liberty, like our Forefather's Flintlock Musket, must be kept clean, oiled, and READY!)
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To: Jane Long
In the meantime, donations can be mailed to the following:

Allen West for Congress
735 S. Colorado Ave, Ste. 9
Stewart, FL 34994
Payable to: Allen West for Congress Re-count Fund

Thanks,

I’ve been a little disappointed in Allen West’s voting record, but I think he is a very honorable man. If he continues to fight the stealing of our elections, I’ll be sending him a donation. I don’t think the Republican party is going to help him, but the Tea Party will. (That’s people like us.)

I would love to see him back in. I hope Fox continues to use him as a paid consultant. He is one of the most eloquent speakers I have ever heard.

146 posted on 11/11/2012 6:01:02 AM PST by FR_addict
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To: FR_addict

I just cut West a check, and it will be in the mail tomorrow.

Anyone caught throwing away a military ballot should be summarily hung from the nearest tree. When are we going to get serious about our freedom, folks?


147 posted on 11/11/2012 1:22:15 PM PST by George Varnum (Liberty, like our Forefather's Flintlock Musket, must be kept clean, oiled, and READY!)
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