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For Sequestration
Ace of Spades HQ ^ | November 7, 2012 | DrewM

Posted on 11/07/2012 11:51:35 AM PST by JerseyanExile

Sequestration is a terrible, horrible, no good idea.

And we must let it happen.

You know what you call $1.2 trillion in budget cuts? A good start.

After last night it's clear that as presently constituted there is no electoral path to reducing the size and scope of government. Since we can not do that in an orderly and rationale way, we must use the tool we have at hand.

The lame duck will feature a lot of talk about "grand bargains". No Just no. While the GOP and conservatives were crushed last night, the GOP still retains control of the House so "the people" voted for more gridlock. Then gridlock they shall have. And that means enforcing the current law of the land....sequestration.

I'd much rather a messy, disorganized and painful set of cuts than an clean, orderly and disastrous set of tax and spending increases.

As someone once said, "never let a crisis go to waste bitches". At least I think that's what they said.

Oh and the debt ceiling needs to be raised again.

As a commenter pointed out: Let ALL the Bush tax cuts expire. All the people who were taken off the roles 10 years ago? Back on baby!


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1 posted on 11/07/2012 11:51:37 AM PST by JerseyanExile
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To: JerseyanExile

I say let the Bush tax cuts expire too. ALL of them. All the people enjoying no or low taxes now will find out really quick that Bush’s cuts didn’t only benefit the rich.

It will hurt like hell, but be worth it in the long run to teach the leaches a lesson.


2 posted on 11/07/2012 11:53:58 AM PST by No Socialist
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To: No Socialist

Do it


3 posted on 11/07/2012 11:55:49 AM PST by scooby321 (AMS)
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To: JerseyanExile

I’ve already lost my 30 year job with a defense contractor. So have many tens of thousands the past 4-5 years. Might as well complete the punishment on the industry. In the case of Lockheed Martin, they’ll spare the jobs in VA and PA and slash and burn them in CA and CO.


4 posted on 11/07/2012 11:56:26 AM PST by CatOwner
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To: JerseyanExile

I have no problem with sequestration now. We spend hundreds of billions every year for the sole purpose of keeping Third World nations all over the globe from slaughtering each other, and yet we can’t even defend our own borders.

A return to the Founders’ model of American isolationism is a necessary, though not sufficient, condition for American renewal. There is a reason Washington told us to avoid entangling alliances, but we have ignored his wisdom, thinking ourselves so much greater than the father of our country.

Let those who wish to slaughter each other, do so. We are no longer able to stop them. Focus on only enough military to defend our own borders, and let everyone else defend themselves.


5 posted on 11/07/2012 11:58:06 AM PST by Thane_Banquo
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To: No Socialist

As I said a little over 4 years ago, ain’t nobody or nothin’ “too big to fail”. Do it - no bailout.


6 posted on 11/07/2012 11:58:24 AM PST by jagusafr
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To: scooby321

Completely agree. I hope the House leadership gets the message.

Boehner reportedly going to lay down markers at 3:30 pm. I have no doubt he’ll talk a good game, not sure if he’ll crumble later.

Ironically, it may be McConnell who gives Boehner a backbone, because McConnell needs sustained confrontation, not compromise.


7 posted on 11/07/2012 11:59:39 AM PST by mwl8787
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To: JerseyanExile

Since all of the social spending would get sequestered too I suspect Obama would blink faster than you could say “the wealthy”.


8 posted on 11/07/2012 11:59:50 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: JerseyanExile

LOL. Wow! I have to agree. Let’s burn down the house. It’s will speed a re-building.

You know what I have told my daughter to do if she is ever kidnapped or carjacked? Force the vehicle into a violent crash as soon as possible. It’s gonna hurt and its dangerous. But it beats the odds of the alternative in the longer run.


9 posted on 11/07/2012 12:01:23 PM PST by Tenacious 1 (The Click-&-Paste Media exists & works in Utopia, riding unicorns & sniffing pixy dust.)
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To: CatOwner

All the defense firms who were complicit in not complying with the WARN Act can go to Hell.


10 posted on 11/07/2012 12:01:33 PM PST by mwl8787
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To: JerseyanExile

The election is over, so all the thousands of pink slips can be sent out with 0bama’s ugly face on them and the word “SUCKER!”.


11 posted on 11/07/2012 12:02:22 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Never Underestimate the Power of Evil)
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To: No Socialist

lets go for it....I’ll just not work as much...save on my back, my taxes, and my emotions...


12 posted on 11/07/2012 12:03:07 PM PST by cherry
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To: No Socialist

Exactly what I’ve been thinking.


13 posted on 11/07/2012 12:03:22 PM PST by MarkeyD (Obama is a victim of Affirmative Action)
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To: mwl8787

Guessing he’ll fold and let the media spank him hard and often. It’s the GOP way.


14 posted on 11/07/2012 12:03:22 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: mwl8787

Agreed. Before my layoff, I spent 10 of my last 13 months employment under a WARN and WARN extensions. And they decide not to issue the WARNs that they threatened the employees with all year long?


15 posted on 11/07/2012 12:05:42 PM PST by CatOwner
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To: JerseyanExile

I agree.

Let sequestration happen and the Bush tax cuts expire.

If people want to live by Obamanomics, they can die by Obamanomics.


16 posted on 11/07/2012 12:06:12 PM PST by radpolis (Liberals: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy)
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To: Gene Eric

Disappointed before, of course, but Boehner and the House GOP leadership did not pick a lot of fights with Obama in order to protect the ultimate GOP nominee for president.

That is no longer an imperative; in fact, the critical need is for the House to draw a line in the sand.

Boehner, Cantor, McCarthy know what is at stake.

There was a wonderful article a couple of weeks ago — possibly by Steve Hayes — urging the GOP to just go with sequestration if Obama was re-elected.


17 posted on 11/07/2012 12:06:45 PM PST by mwl8787
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To: No Socialist

Will they be retroactive?


18 posted on 11/07/2012 12:07:29 PM PST by Perdogg
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To: Gene Eric

Ace has a way with words. It’s gonna be fun. Of course the GOP will fold, they sort of have to. If they don’t (despite the obvious fact that it takes two to make a deal) the spin will be “GOP is killing Grandma — look, she died, because of Republican Greed and Corruption”.

So, a deal will be had. But Boehner has a good hand to bargain with.


19 posted on 11/07/2012 12:07:34 PM PST by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Perdogg

From what I heard, starting in 2013.


20 posted on 11/07/2012 12:08:08 PM PST by CatOwner
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To: jagusafr

“Bailout”? We have NOTHING to bail out anybody.

No auto companies, no banks, no union pension funds, nothing. Large and small, the pain is going to be long, wide, deep, and continuous, as the entire country goes through being skinned alive.

And worst of all, it will be SLOW.

The dystopia that follows is going to seem to be an improvement. A new Dark Age is about to descend, much like what followed the collapse of the Roman Empire.

Israel, you are on your own, at least for now. That may very well be the one bright spot for the eventual revival of civilization


21 posted on 11/07/2012 12:10:43 PM PST by alloysteel (Bronco Bama - the cowboy who whooped up and widened the stampede.)
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To: CatOwner

first of all, I apologize for calling you a troll.

So when we do our taxes in March, the new rates will be in them for this year, correct?


22 posted on 11/07/2012 12:13:50 PM PST by Perdogg
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To: No Socialist

Shut ‘er down. Just do it. We are the party of smaller government, right?


23 posted on 11/07/2012 12:14:04 PM PST by RKM
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To: mwl8787
I have no doubt he’ll talk a good game, not sure if he’ll crumble later.

Of course he will, just like he did during the last debt ceiling showdown.

24 posted on 11/07/2012 12:17:29 PM PST by Spirochete (Sic transit gloria mundi)
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To: alloysteel

My point precisely. It was a stupid move back then and not sequestering would be a stupid move now. We need to let it happen. We’re long overdue to “take our medicine” and it needs to happen before no medicine can cure us.


25 posted on 11/07/2012 12:21:07 PM PST by jagusafr
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To: JerseyanExile
I am sorry, and I may be flamed for this, but after last night I have lost all empathy for the poor. I have been a generous individual toward charities, but that is now stopped.

The poor have voted in their sugar daddy, so they can check in with Uncle Obama if they need something. I will not give one red cent ever again!!!!

26 posted on 11/07/2012 12:21:57 PM PST by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: RKM

Absolutely agree with all of the posters here. The Donks and the MSM will go spastic but the mid-terms are 2 years away. Plenty of time to let things die down.


27 posted on 11/07/2012 12:23:57 PM PST by technically right
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To: Spirochete
Yeah, but that was when we still thought that we had a chance to stop Obama in his tracks in 2012. That has since been shown to be incorrect, so it's time to bring this nation to its knees..

Conservatives are stuck for four more years with Obama right? Well, the liberals are stuck with us for 2 more years with the House. A lot of things can happen in 730 days..

Time to fight fire with fire..

28 posted on 11/07/2012 12:24:48 PM PST by Fedupwithit ("Live Free or Die: Death is not the worst of evils" - Gen. John Stark)
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To: Perdogg
So when we do our taxes in March, the new rates will be in them for this year, correct?

As far as I understand, starting in January 1, 2013, the tax rate cuts will expire, and income starting in 2013 will be taxed at the higher federal rates. So, tax rates for the 2012 tax year won't change.

29 posted on 11/07/2012 12:26:17 PM PST by CatOwner
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To: JerseyanExile

Agreed 100%.


30 posted on 11/07/2012 12:26:47 PM PST by Dragonspirit (Always remember President Token won only by defecting on his CFR pledge.)
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To: JerseyanExile

Yes, agreed, it is time to pull that lever.


31 posted on 11/07/2012 12:27:39 PM PST by dila813
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To: Spirochete

That was more about presidential politics. It was the correct move politically at the time, but it failed, so now it’s on to a much more aggressive posture.

Boehner’s speakership is still fragile and he will do what his caucus demands. He may talk compromise for public consumption, but the game is significantly more serious today.

GOP has everything to gain in 2014 from a weakened economy; and this includes getting a bunch of GOP governors re-elected. Obama can own everything.


32 posted on 11/07/2012 12:27:50 PM PST by mwl8787
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To: No Socialist
I say let the Bush tax cuts expire too. ALL of them. All the people enjoying no or low taxes now will find out really quick that Bush’s cuts didn’t only benefit the rich.

I agree. Obama owns everything from here on out, and he can no longer blame Bush. Let the tax cuts expire. Let military spending drop. Give the Afghanis over to their their desire to slaughter each other. Bring the troops home.

33 posted on 11/07/2012 12:36:07 PM PST by Thane_Banquo
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To: mwl8787

That is the bright side, all the games he played to have all the bad effects of his agenda hit in his second term have come home to roost.

He is going to be able to have the Democrats stew in it. We really need to hold the republican feet to the fire so they can’t allow them to escape the hole they dug for themselves.


34 posted on 11/07/2012 12:37:54 PM PST by dila813
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To: JerseyanExile

I am a retired Dept. of Defense worker (I worked as a civilian for the Army.) A lot of my former coworkers are overjoyed about the election (based on what they’re saying on Facebook today.) Most only have a few years on the job. These fools don’t realize that yesterday they voted themselves out of a job.


35 posted on 11/07/2012 12:37:54 PM PST by GreenHornet
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To: All

remember how long it took for us to get passed the Carter legacy.. maybe about 12 years or so economically and his weaknesses are still haunting us in places like Iran and Venezuela.. We won’t be able to make it past Obama’s legacy. It will remain a stain on our nation for generations. Sequestration has to happen, IMO. VA needs to learn the lessons and lead the way forward into a more viable future. The pending collapse of the state will hurt. I hope the Obamabots in our state all burn in hell.


36 posted on 11/07/2012 12:42:15 PM PST by newnhdad (USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: No Socialist

Do you all feel the pubs in the House will let this happen? I think the republicans will compromise(do what will help Obama most) on keeping the Bush tax cuts and in return they will keep voting to raise the debt ceiling and take the huge cuts in the military and raise taxes on the rich. That is exactly what the dems want, but the repubs will never see it coming. The problem here is the Obama voter’s need to start paying taxes. That is the best way we can help them. The money isn’t going to hold for the huge amount of the country on food stamps and there won’t be new jobs for anyone.

Obama doesn’t get to pass out big chunks of money to his cohorts much longer. I think we need to contact our congress critters and tell them this is what was voted for and now those same voter’s need to start paying taxes again. Don’t vote to raise the debt ceiling unless major cuts are made—not cuts in increases, but real cuts. Let all Obamacare taxes plus the loss of Bush tax cuts hit plus no earned income tax credit distribution of other’s money anymore. Give these people everything they voted for so that they might read and educate themselves before the next vote. O won’t stop spending, his voters won’t stop sucking on the government sow so let’s get it over with. Pubs will be scared of being blamed. So? They are anyway. Do they think the dems or media are going to love them for saving the dem’s behind? Make the dems give the voters what they promised. Pubs are the worst negotiators in the world. To keep the Bush tax cuts will only protect the dems. Let them show their voter’s how those cuts only helped the “rich”. My little protest will be to not do business with any blue state. They won’t get a penny from me to help their state. If I sound mean then so be it. I don’t want to support stupidity.


37 posted on 11/07/2012 12:42:35 PM PST by Reb Raider
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To: mwl8787

The Executive Branch has been sitting on a ton of RIF notifications. A lot of Virginia Feds are going to be sent home for good and soon. Idiots.


38 posted on 11/07/2012 12:43:48 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Hope and Change has become Attack and Obfuscate.)
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To: JerseyanExile

Best idea I’ve heard all day.


39 posted on 11/07/2012 12:45:25 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: JerseyanExile

I am a retired Dept. of Defense worker (I worked as a civilian for the Army.) A lot of my former coworkers are overjoyed about the election (based on what they’re saying on Facebook today.) Most only have a few years on the job. These fools don’t realize that yesterday they voted themselves out of a job.


40 posted on 11/07/2012 12:45:58 PM PST by GreenHornet
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To: GreenHornet

So correct. See #38. Essayons!!!


41 posted on 11/07/2012 12:46:02 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Hope and Change has become Attack and Obfuscate.)
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To: JerseyanExile
And we must let it happen.

We must let it all happen.

42 posted on 11/07/2012 12:46:09 PM PST by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: GreenHornet
These fools don’t realize that yesterday they voted themselves out of a job.

Are they really that stupid?

43 posted on 11/07/2012 12:49:18 PM PST by mwl8787
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To: radpolis

What a difference a day makes. Yesterday I’d have wanted the seq. to be avoided, but today it’s the best idea in the world.


44 posted on 11/07/2012 12:49:50 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: No Socialist
I say let the Bush tax cuts expire too. ALL of them. All the people enjoying no or low taxes now will find out really quick that Bush’s cuts didn’t only benefit the rich.

yep.

45 posted on 11/07/2012 12:53:32 PM PST by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: mwl8787
These fools don’t realize that yesterday they voted themselves out of a job.

Are they really that stupid?

Unfortunately, yes they are. When they get their Pink Slips, they'll probably blame Bush.

46 posted on 11/07/2012 1:10:00 PM PST by GreenHornet
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To: Thane_Banquo
Go F yourself! I have been in the Defense industry for over 20 years and will most likely lose my job because of the scumbag 50% who re-elected this POS. The fact that you agree with obama on this issue, tells me what low character you have!
47 posted on 11/07/2012 1:10:52 PM PST by ohioman
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To: JerseyanExile

There are so many meanings for the word “sequestration” that I am at a loss to understand just how it’s used here. Can someone narrow it down so that we all can understand just what we’re asking the House to do?


48 posted on 11/07/2012 1:14:13 PM PST by kitkat
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To: mwl8787
Boehner, Cantor, McCarthy know what is at stake.

Sure they do.....


49 posted on 11/07/2012 1:23:15 PM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: Thane_Banquo

I agree. Obama owns everything from here on out, and he can no longer blame Bush. Let the tax cuts expire. Let military spending drop. Give the Afghanis over to their their desire to slaughter each other. Bring the troops home.

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Agree with you.


50 posted on 11/07/2012 1:24:25 PM PST by sanjuanbob
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