Skip to comments.The False Notion of "If It's Not Close, They Cannot Steal"
Posted on 11/02/2012 10:15:10 AM PDT by SarahPalin2012
Stop repeating this nonsense. The dumb way to do it would be to stuff ballot boxes or find a bag full of extra votes. But the easiest way would be to hack machines. Then, it doesn't matter if the state is Oklahoma. All one does is change the first number (as follos):
If Total Republican vote in machine is 778,392 and Democrat vote is 321,292 (Not close, right?)
Just change the first numbe 7 for Republicans to a 5, and change the 3 in the Democratic vote to a 6. So then: Republicans 578,392 Democrats 621,292.
Also, if they need more, just add an extra "1" in front of the Democratic vote: It becomes 1,321,292. You can literally find millions of votes this way. So throw out that dumb saying about "If it's not close" -- they can manufacture millions of votes very easily.
Absolutely takes the cake for imbecility.
Um...the quote isn’t meant to be taken literally. It’s a wry way of saying “go vote”.
Really? Mr. Mensa, And 135 year olds voting in Florida is smart? Does the math not add up? This is a completely broken system. Trusting in it is what is imbecilic.
Yes, cheating can be accomplished electronically, but certainly not the way you have described.
Technically true, of course. There's exit polling in the picture as well, though. If one machine or group of them produces an odd exit result, the machines and the Internet trails before (or after) the vote can be examined for hacking by geek investigators. That will tend to implicate individuals and organizations that would get in trouble.
I think the rule for election-stealing hasn't changed that much since the paper-ballot or lever days: Steal relatively small numbers of votes not outside the margin of exit-polling error, but preferably on a large number of machines.
The rats are geared up to steal this thing. Believe it people.
yes they are
As if this place needs your shit and misery today. Go post a blog somewhere or at least move this out of breaking news.
I have no clue what controls are in place at my local voting precinct. I have this vague notion that both sides have poll watchers at each location and that there exists somewhere some procedures to ensure that the vote is fair and not modified. And presumably those procedures include making sure that the machines software has been tested by both sides and secured. But I don't know that for sure.
GOP is trying to get machines in 6 states fixed because Romney votes come out as Obama votes
made me realize that whoever is in the county recorders office when the doors close has 100% control of the final numbers , the buck stops there
electronic machines are completly out of control
by golly you are right!!
What is alarming is that Sarah just gave the libs a whole new way to cheat! Sarah, can we delete this VANITY thread before the DEMS read it?!!!
I think I will call my bank and have them add a few ‘1’s to the beginning of the balance.
What would the GOP do about it? I see two options:
1) Roll over and let Obama have 4 more years.
2) Instigate a hot civil war.
I say Obama hates this country. I say Obama wants to tear this country apart and destroy it. Of the two options above, Obama may prefer one over the other, but I say either option would be fine with him.
Winning through cheating, in a crude and obvious manner, is not necessarily a "bad" option for the Dems.
I've seen some outlandish conspiracy theories and dumb ideas posted over the years here, but this one has to qualify for "hall of fame" status.
Indeed. Small nibbles do not get noticed. A Big bite does. Embezzling tends to happen within the margin of error. Remember the old John Cash song about the guy who takes Caddy parts out of the factory in his lunch box and eventually has enough to build his asymetrical Car?
Trying? Holy crap.
"Try not. Do or do not. There is no 'try'.
If there were any people in authority with integrity who saw this bug or defect, they'd have had all these POS machines ripped out and replaced with simple paper ballots. Enough is enough.
Is there NO ONE with balls any more who is not afraid of inconveniencing people for the sake of pure, unadulterated, uncorrupted balloting?
Who gives a fat rat's arse if the tallying takes a week? It will anyway this time around. Better off getting it right than just finished as soon as possible. This stuff matters!
Dammit, I just get so p!$$ed sometimes at the utter lack of quality in people who should know better.
What would Patton do?
such large changes are easily caught and would be foolish on the part of either party. Its the small ones here and there that make a difference in swing states that we should be most wary of and vigilant for.
Yeah, like we all assumed there were sufficient safeguards to ensure a non-natural born American would never be on the ballot for president?
Electronic voting machines can be hacked, and imperceptibly so—that's according to one of their design engineers who testified before Congress a few years back. He was arguing AGAINST using the machines he designed!!
I further understand that the causes of this problem are varied, and include miscalibration and hyper-sensitivity of the machines, he acknowledged. But he called for four actions at the state level:
Above numbers, to make the point simply, of course are exaggerated. One would think that a large scale cheating operation would be more sophisticated. But the point is that cheating on a larger scale is possible.
If you’re familiar about some of the recent races (Sharron Angle vs Reid, the Daschle race he won narrowly), you’ll see that cheating is not always just small scale. Does it really happen?
Well, who is the Senior Senator from Nevada today?
im sorry, I remain unconvinced. The Angle vs Reid was close, if you think Angle went in with everyone thinking it would be a blow out I can’t help you. With exit polling, poll watching, and local rolls and reporting the type of fraud you are talking about just can’t happen without A LOT of people being complicit, and the more people involved the larger the odds it gets found out. And being found out in something like that is far far worse than losing in the first place.
There are many ways to cheat. I have documented the ones that I have encountered in my many years of election activities.
My short book on vote fraud for fellow Freepers:
Report on recent election and new vote fraud methods:
More info on vote fraud methods:
As you can see, some fraud methods are MASSIVE such as creating tens of thousands of phantom voters out of thin air. I documented this happening in California.
Another method common in my state is, if the Election Judge and Clerks are all crooked dims, they just wait until after the last voter has left at the end of the day. Then they lock the door and CAST A BALLOT FOR EVERY VOTER WHO DID NOT SHOW UP. The clue is an all-dim crew and 100% turnout in a precinct. Just check and you will readily identify problem precincts from previous elections with 100% turnout.
There is no sense crying about this AFTER the election. The ONLY defense is to have Republican Alternate Judges, Clerks, and Poll Watchers.
Freepers, go sign up with www.truethevote.org or similar organizations in your state. If you cannot volunteer, then donate. I did! They are the most effective anti-fraud outfit I have ever seen.
Go to the problem precincts in the worst neighborhoods. Don’t be alarmed. True the Vote has been doing this for several years. Despite a few loud mouthed thugs threatening them, the only actual assault was a dim Clerk pushing one of our little old ladies who was also a Clerk.
It’s a lot safer than than being on the battlefield. This time, the enemy is domestic as they try to overthrow our Constitution using lies and fraud rather than troops on the ground.
Thank you for being the patriots who will save our country!
Believe me, every trick Sarah can come up with has been tried or is being used!
See my post on this thread for a primer on the MANY methods of vote fraud.
Poll Watchers? I live in one of the most conservative areas of the country. We cannot get enough volunteers to cover even the worst precincts!
We desperately need more volunteers.
[ I’ve seen some outlandish conspiracy theories and dumb ideas posted over the years here, but this one has to qualify for “hall of fame” status. ]
WHY... in some States you dont even need photo ID and if produced is rejected.. WHo is to say voters do not vote twice OR twenty times.... WHo is to know.. or even CHECK.. NOT that its even possible to check..
THIS IS HAPPENing NOW>...
Exactly!!! It's in the constitution, we all thought it was settled law. Now we know...
"Electronic voting machines can be hacked, and imperceptibly sothat's according to one of their design engineers who testified before Congress a few years back. He was arguing AGAINST using the machines he designed!!"
They certainly can. I'm sure that procedures can be designed to insure to everyone's satisfaction that they are accurate and the code is stable and protected. But that's not easy and I seriously doubt that most places have sufficient protection in place.
Anyone with physical or online access to those machines can likely download software modifications to them. And without a paper trail and some kind of audit, there is no way to know if the vote recorded is accurate. Exit polls serve as a red flag, but I read the MSM is pulling back on exit polls.
SP2012, all I can say is, I hope everyone mocking you and jumping on you about these “impossibilities” you call out, is correct.
Because if they’re not ..... may God help us.